Fors Relic and square nails

Had a chance to use the Relic today at an old site that was loaded with 3" long square nails. Really had a tough go of it because it liked to ID them the way the Racer 2 ID's non-ferrous. Was using the small coil and just could not avoid checking most of them out. Before we left the site I went through the same area with the R2 and 5.5x10 coil and had very few to check out as most gave the telltale iron response. Granted that is the first time I have used a Relic and Rick is relatively new to the machines as well but still it really seemed challenged in those conditions.

Tom



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2016 08:46AM by Jackpine.

I've just convinced myself that square nails are cool relics so I don't let them drive me crazy. LOL

HH
John

I haven't used the Relic "yet" lol. But nails are very easy to master on these machines. While detecting listen carefully and dig, start putting 2 and 2 together. These machines have the best iron disc I've ever used. Make sure you dissect your suspected target very good walking around it. The R2, R1, CoRe, Gold+, CF77 all have great iron disc on them. The machines will tell you whats there. Good headphones are a must. Once learned you'll rarely dig them not unless you are purposely digging iffie targets.

Tom, out of the ground and with reg coil the square nails weren't hitting good. low numbers bouncing around. Don't know what was going on in the ground. Or difference in detectors.

Rick, N. MI Wrote:
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> Tom, out of the ground and with reg coil the
> square nails weren't hitting good. low numbers
> bouncing around. Don't know what was going on in
> the ground. Or difference in detectors.

You will see that scenario play out with some detectors,,,move the iron, vibrate it,,put on top of the ground--- machine will do better job of discing out. Ground minerals can also affect.

I would urge folks to go and maybe read NASA Tom's test of the FORS Gold + detector,,,,he talked quite a bit about disc setting and nails.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2016 10:19PM by tnsharpshooter.

In the past I have dug up some purple colored square nails that rang up in the high coin area, just something ya have to live with. Galvanized roofing nails being the worst culprit in my area, hate em....

Jack Flynn Wrote:
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> I haven't used the Relic "yet" lol. But nails are
> very easy to master on these machines. While
> detecting listen carefully and dig, start putting
> 2 and 2 together. These machines have the best
> iron disc I've ever used. Make sure you dissect
> your suspected target very good walking around it.
> The R2, R1, CoRe, Gold+, CF77 all have great iron
> disc on them. The machines will tell you whats
> there. Good headphones are a must. Once learned
> you'll rarely dig them not unless you are
> purposely digging iffie targets.


Oh I dissected them very well It was telling me to dig them!

Here is some info that may help.

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

As square nails go, these were actually pretty cool... If there weren't so dang many of 'em.

DirtyJohn Wrote:
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> I've just convinced myself that square nails are
> cool relics so I don't let them drive me crazy.
> LOL
>
> HH
> John

I am wondering if you have a problem with your machine. I had the same problem with target ID's all over the place and lack of depth on my Fors Relic. I sent the machine back and now waiting for replacement. I had no problem with my AU Gold Finder or F19 discrimination at the same site.
-Don

Don71 Wrote:
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> I am wondering if you have a problem with your
> machine. I had the same problem with target ID's
> all over the place and lack of depth on my Fors
> Relic. I sent the machine back and now waiting for
> replacement. I had no problem with my AU Gold
> Finder or F19 discrimination at the same site.
> -Don
Something tells me your next machine will be all over the place too. That is the nature of these high gain sparky machines. If you want a steady ID and it lock on at every pass you won't like the replacement. The lack of depth is because of all the metal in the ground that is making your numbers jump all around. Head to a clear clean area and it will still see more metal in the ground than both the other units combined times 2.

No, the lack of depth is per Nokta air tests.

I can get my other Nokta machine to ID iron correctly. A machine that can't id iron is pretty useless to me.

-Don

I think those " purple " square nails are ones that came from burned building as I have a lot of them at a CW era town site that was burned to the ground during said war .

Maybe some folks can share some air test data with their units.
I don't believe I've seen any here anywhere.

You can see Nokta's air test results here.
[www.youtube.com]

Factory Defaults, Deep Mode, Sensitivity of 88, Stock Coil
(make sure you are far away from interference)

They get about 17.3" on a US Quarter and 19.7" on a US Nickel.

-Don



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2016 06:44PM by Don71.

Don71 Wrote:
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> You can see Nokta's air test results here.
> [www.youtube.com]
>
> Factory Defaults, Deep Mode, Sensitivity of 88,
> Stock Coil
> (make sure you are far away from interference)
>
> They get about 17.3" on a US Quarter and 19.7" on
> a US Nickel.
>
> -Don

Thanks

Btw,,Don where a bouts you live??
I always like to know this info,,to maybe get an idea of your soil mineralization levels.
So when you post info,,,I can relate to better for understanding.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2016 06:54PM by tnsharpshooter.

I am in Washington State.

I have been detecting around Western & Central Washington since 2008.
For the VLF machines, I am mostly an old coin hunter. (PI machines for nuggets)

-Don

Don71 Wrote:
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> I am in Washington State.
>
> I have been detecting around Western & Central
> Washington since 2008.
> For the VLF machines, I am mostly an old coin
> hunter. (PI machines for nuggets)
>
> -Don


Alright thanks.

Welcome to the forum btw

In 2 tone on my Relic I get a silver dime at 8 in with sense at 90. Depth mode around 9 in. 3 tone takes a huge hit and can't do better than 6 in. It hits a nickel at 13 in though in depth mode. The Relic is much deeper on low conductors.

Thanks for posting your result on a dime.

If you have time, what air depth do you get on a quarter in Deep mode? (high sensitivity 88 with stock coil)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/24/2016 12:21AM by Don71.

I believe there are some weak Fors Relic machines floating around out there in the first batch.

Here are some air tests for various machines from Nokta/Makro themselves and from a user on the Gold Racer below.

Fors Relic (Deep, Sens 88, stock coil)
Quarter 17.3”
Nickel 19.7”

Racer 2 (Deep, Sens 93, stock coil)
Quarter 17.3”
Nickel 18.9”

Makro Gold Racer (10x5 Coil)
Quarter 11.5” (Gain 97, Disc 2)
Nickel 11.75” (Gain 97)

Fors Core
Nickel 15”

Original Red Racer
Nickel 16.1”

The Relic hits my 9" dime in 2 and 3 tones with the 7x11 and 5" coils. Sensitivity is over 90. The 7x11 hits my 10" dime in 2 tone. I have a 7 1/2" dime that the 5" won't hit it but the 7x11 does. The depth is great in my ground.

I don't look at the depth of the VDI...for me it's the tone even if its clipped or has over 50% iron I'm going to most likely dig it...had a home I hunted today with the racer. just about every swing I would get a clipped sound. Not use to that very hard to hone in on a target. Tried the 5" coil same problem not really a life changer. When I would get a somewhat repeatable tone I would dig it and it would be iron or nails. Only found one keeper but will have to try the deus with the 18 freq and see if I can do any better.

LowBoy

TAKE A LITTLE TIME KICKBACK AND WATCH SOME OF MY DETECTING VIDEO'S BELOW ON YouTube

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If you don’t dig it, then how are you going to know what you’re missing!
How can you have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat!

After seeing this thread I had to see what my Relic would do air testing. I could only run my gain about 92 before it gets really chatty. I air tested in Deep mode, D2, and D3 modes with the same targets and the stock coil.

DEEP MODE, 92 sens:

Quarter - 13"
Nickel - 16"
Dime - 11"
C. Penny - 11"
.58 Minie Ball - 12"

DI2 Mode, 92 sens:

Quarter - 12"
Nickel - 14"
Dime - 10"
C. Penny - 10"
Minie Ball - 11"

DI3 Mode, 92 sens:

Quarter - 10"
Nickel - 10"
Dime - 8.5"
C. Penny - 9"
Minie Ball - 9.5"

I would hope that Nokta/Makro can chime in about why there are large discrepancies (in DEEP mode) in their Youtube posted air tests vs our air tests.

Nokta Fors Relic Air Test.
[www.youtube.com]

Makro Racer 2 Air Test.
[www.youtube.com]

Or Keith's Whopping 21" (Deep Mode) Air Test on a Quarter for the Racer 2:
[www.youtube.com]

I communicated this information to Dilek at Nokta 5 days ago via email but haven't heard back yet.

My machine had lack of depth in all the air test diagnostics.
It also had some target ID problems. (including ID smearing problems)

-Don



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What does it do in 3 tone Tom???

Where did you set your tone break in 2 tone??

The Purple Nails yall are talking about are corrosion control nails...used heavily in horse shoes...They did not rust ...

A hot machine will jump on those at depth...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Tone break was at 20. Tom didn't try 3 tone. I'd mask was 3. Imask 0. Sensitivity 90. Tom is out of town right now with a family loss. The nails were fairly deep . I don't know what numbers were coming up. Like Tom said they were cool square nails that came to a point.

We were at the area I found the British button. Old nails

you have to remember airtest are airtest..

and what someone gets here they may not get there..and Vice a versa..


its usually emi causing you not to get good results even if you dont hear any..

yeah my R2 hears a 21 inch Quarter with coil parallel to the ground but pointed to the sky..those are the deepest ways to get airtest...yet it wont hit a 10.5 quarter in my soil..So ha;f the depth is gone int he soil..

My warrior will report a a dime at about 13 inches in the air but will also hit a 12 inch dime in my soil..So.while airtest are nice that's what they are..


By the way My Relic when pointed to the sky can hit a nickle at 18 inches or so in deep mode...

BUT you have to have the disc on zero the imask on zero and the ground bal on 90 and the deep mode on..and sens. about 60..

lay it on a table and airtest and the depth will be less..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Sorry for Toms Loss..Tell Him I send condolences and prayers if you talk to him..

Ask him to Try 3 tone on that's site when he gets back...its a better learning Mode..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla