Took the Omega out tonight with the 8" concentric coil

And I have to say that there is no way I will sell this machine after using it with the concentric coil. Total game changer for hunting in iron. It has been so long since I have used a concentric coil that I had forgotten how satisfying it is to work the iffiest of signals and just know it's not iron. No way DD's give the same confidence level. I hunted the same site that I posted about in the G2/Racer 2 comparo and where the Omega was worked with the 6x10 DD. the last time there I used the Racer 2 with the 5.5x10 coil and got zero non-ferrous targets. In the hour I spent there 4 targets came to light, a metal valve stem cap, a large reed, a tiny sliver of non-ferrous metal and what looks like a small wire crimp.

The reed was a solid no brainer and the other 3 gave good enough initial hits to investigate but were only detectable as non-ferrous from narrow angles of approach with dead on iron sounds in the exact same spot from other angles. It really felt good to have a concentric coil on the end of the stick!

The rice krispies problem is almost totally solved only the occasional crack on the worst iron. I did not watch the screen a lot but when I did it was apparent that there were far less of the gray TID zones showing when sweeping over a target. The recovery in the standard modes is very fast with each machine gun iron grunt clearly delineated..no smearing or hanging on of tones AND the non-ferrous tones seemed less abrupt so more clearly heard in the iron noise.

IMo Teknetics needs to make the 8"er the standard coil.

Tom

Edit to add: Only chased two iffy iron signals and had a coupe moe that were the triangular blades off a sickle bar mower that sounded and read good but had a fairly large PP area.

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Nice report Tom. Good finds. Concentric coils are great in our ground.

I wish teknetics would make the 4" concentric ultra coil for individual sale and screw on connector. That thing aces the nailboard test on the omega AND gets 10" on a quarter in the air. 7" in my ground.

on the omega the stock coil is my favorite...

Keith

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-Nikola Tesla

detectingMO Wrote:
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> I wish teknetics would make the 4" concentric
> ultra coil for individual sale and screw on
> connector. That thing aces the nailboard test on
> the omega AND gets 10" on a quarter in the air. 7"
> in my ground.

Craig

A good small coil would be great. I really did not care for the 7" (approx) oblong concentric that I tried. In this ground with the 8" it called a freshly buried 8" (approx) dime iron anything less and it hits it fine. The T2 classic with stock coil gives an intermittent ferrous/nonferrous signal on the 8" dime.

Thanks for the great deal on the coil.

Tom

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Keith Southern Wrote:
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> on the omega the stock coil is my favorite...
>
> Keith

The 10" concentric?

Tom

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I've been using the 8 inch concentric search coil for years on the Omega. It handles EMI better, pinpoints better and discriminates better than the 10 inch concentric elliptical and the 11 inch DD search coils do. It especially works well at handling those annoying rusty pry caps. Oh yeah, it gets good depth as well.

tabman

Round concentric coils are becoming my favorites. To bad a lot of manufacturers seem to think they're obsolete.

The 8 does not unmask as well as the 10 Elliptical concentric..

It will be noticed the most in the thickest saturated nail sites..And you answered the question why it does so well in Iron Tabman....Its sputtey on crown caps.. type coil's that gets sputtery on crown caps offers advantage in nails looking for non ferrous intermingled a bit better than say a clean reject coil.

While we are on the Subject of concentrics....that 11" teardrop that comes on the F44...WOW what a coil....DEEEEEP and in the toe separates like a 5"...

I went to some spots with that coil on the F44( and by the way the F44 is alot of bang for the buck)full of nails and dug some of my deepest ever three ringers in the nails with that coil...I mean 9 inch three ringers in thick nails..

It was during prototype testing and I was actually blown away by that setup in iron with such a large coil...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



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I have been thinking about picking one of these Omega 8000s up to use strictly for curb strip hunting.
I'm not happy with my CTX coil options for this type of hunting so I wanted something with a roughly 10x5 coil
that is light with a very accurate ID and depth indicator. I like to cherry pick silver curb strip hunting..
Does the Omega fit the bill or is there something out there better for this task?
Thanks,
Bryan

Man the F44 I tested got no where near the depth you talk about Keith. I think FTP sends you all the hot units!

It wasn't a depth demon but worked well in Iron with such a large coil on deeper than NORM non ferrous target of high conductance.....

Funny thing about iron...its hard to get depth in it ..but every once in awhile you can get a combo to get decent depth in iron..

A musketeer advantage with the 10 inch coil is another one that will surprise you in thick nails by digging deep silver...

Oh believe me I've had some real head scratchers too from FTP...Like how did they get out the door type things..LOL

FTP has some GOOD out of box thinking coil designs though..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Cabin Fever Wrote:
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> I have been thinking about picking one of these
> Omega 8000s up to use strictly for curb strip
> hunting.
> I'm not happy with my CTX coil options for this
> type of hunting so I wanted something with a
> roughly 10x5 coil
> that is light with a very accurate ID and depth
> indicator. I like to cherry pick silver curb strip
> hunting..
> Does the Omega fit the bill or is there something
> out there better for this task?
> Thanks,
> Bryan


Yes there is--it's called the F-19!

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> It wasn't a depth demon but worked well in Iron
> with such a large coil on deeper than NORM non
> ferrous target of high conductance.....
>
> Funny thing about iron...its hard to get depth in
> it ..but every once in awhile you can get a combo
> to get decent depth in iron..
>
> A musketeer advantage with the 10 inch coil is
> another one that will surprise you in thick nails
> by digging deep silver...
>
> Oh believe me I've had some real head scratchers
> too from FTP...Like how did they get out the door
> type things..LOL
>
> FTP has some GOOD out of box thinking coil designs
> though..
>
> Keith

Keith

The ID Edge together with the Musky made one of the best detector combos I have used for coin hunting at old sites. There won't be much left after they go through an area.

Tom

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Tom, If you know someone with the small white elliptical concentric for the F75 / F70 try it on the Omega. I used it on a Gamma I had and it worked great in the trashy areas. TID was spot on, depth measurement was off a little; but it also was on my F75. Detecting depth was less than the 5" DD but discrimination was better and EMI was less.

Alan

Alan in East Bay Wrote:
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> Tom, If you know someone with the small white elli
> ptical concentric for the F75 / F70 try it on the
> Omega. I used it on a Gamma I had and it worked gr
> eat in the trashy areas. TID was spot on, depth me
> asurement was off a little; but it also was on my
> F75. Detecting depth was less than the 5" DD but
> discrimination was better and EMI was less.
>
> Alan

Alan

I remembered this post of yours and tried the 6.5" elliptical concentric on the Omega and it seems to work very well when doing some simple tests inside the house. Will defintely give it a try come spring.

Thanks
Tom

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My exerience with the F75 coils on the 7.8 kHz units is that they run ok within a certain signal strength, then cut off. Once your target drops below the required signal strength, its over. So while they work ( and I use them too) there is no modulation. They are on and off.

Another thing along with the 8" concentric on the 8500 is to raise all the segment volume settings to max. That stops a lot of falsing caused by audio "breaking" into/out of a segment. For some reason they could not refine this part of the audio plan so when you reduce a segment's volume setting you get a lot of noise spikes.

I agree the 8500 likes concentrics.

HH
Mike

Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> My exerience with the F75 coils on the 7.8 kHz uni
> ts is that they run ok within a certain signal str
> ength, then cut off. Once your target drops below
> the required signal strength, its over. So while
> they work ( and I use them too) there is no modula
> tion. They are on and off.
>
> Another thing along with the 8" concentric on the
> 8500 is to raise all the segment volume settings t
> o max. That stops a lot of falsing caused by audi
> o "breaking" into/out of a segment. For some reas
> on they could not refine this part of the audio pl
> an so when you reduce a segment's volume setting y
> ou get a lot of noise spikes.
>
> I agree the 8500 likes concentrics.
>
> HH
> Mike


Mike

Are the segment volumes at max by default? I'll have to grab the manual.

Tom

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I had to look at the manual, too, Tom. Preset for notch volume is 0, the highest setting.

HH
Mike

Thanks Mike

Temporarily misplaced the manual.

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