MX Sport Audio Modulation, VCO, Iron Grunt, slight hum from backlight

SeabeeRon Wrote:
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> Kemper94 Wrote:
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> > SeabeeRon Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Thanks for the reply! Yes, choice is always
> > > good!! I guess the part that confused me was
> > that
> > > in an earlier post in this thread you
> > > stated..."Mine is not working IMO correctly."
>
> > >
> > > Yet on the FMDF thread you seem to really
> like
> > the
> > > unit and it is functioning well?!? Again,
> just
> > > confused, not trying to create more drama!
>
>
> > Do you have a link for that Ron ? I can't seem
> to
> > find where he said what you are claiming.
>
>
> Here is the link. It was started about 3 months
> ago and updated one month ago.
> [metaldetectingforum.com]
> 2303

Your previous post to the one I stated above you said---

" I am a bit confused with this post TNSS or perhaps I am reading it incorrectly, but it seems to directly contradict a post you made 2 days ago on FMDF about MXSport? Sorry in advance if I misunderstood. "
By stating as I highlighted above-- Yet on the FMDF thread you seem to really
> like
> > the
> > > unit and it is functioning well?

You left the impression that just 2 days ago he said he seemed to really like the machine. It was 2 months and 2 days ago that it seemed he really liked the machine. 2 days ago he said this on the thread you referenced here---

Audio modulation--- this part of this detector,,,falls short here,,for 2 reasons,,number 1 the tone volume provided doesn't seem to be graduated linearly,,,meaning you get quite louder tone,,,and at one point tone goes quieter.

And number 2,, tone provide when audio modulation is selected,,tone quality seems is compromised vs having modulation off.

VCO--the information provided when using,,,when comparing to some of my other detectors,,,this detector not the norm here. It seems this detector when vco is engaged,,,shallower targets,,a signal is provided before and after specific tone of the target in question,,not the actual rise and fall of the tone itself.

My unit btw,,by all accounts does have updated firmware.

Just remember,,my original post was a mini review.

Also cracks in the face plate corners,,,I did know about or realize until actually I read about on this forum.
Then I inspected my unit,,and yep it has cracks similar to some others who have both described and actually posted pics,

Also,,I have never run an MXT detector,,so not familiar with it and how it works,,modulation wise,,vco wise,,,,I didn't do another post updating what I had seen with my detector.

And NC Wayne's thread here,,,actually added some new areas of concern to consider when using and testing my detector.

I am not a professional tester btw,,,never have been one either.
Plus I didn't want to start crowing about certain things too early,,,,until I reviewed info posted by others,,and did further tests with my unit.

One must also remember it seems there was actually more than one update done on at least some detectors,,,for example Paul ( poster Old California) was actually a lead user to point out the problems with it seems the use of modulation on this detector with it seems original firmware.

And even he had an update,,,but this update still didn't cure a problem it seems,,,so then he resent in again,,and got another update.

To couple all this with what Mr Herschbach has said about the detector based on his limited use and testing,,,much confusion concerning firmware and properly operating detector.

So,,I tried to post the best most accurate info I could at the time,,based on my use and info provided by others possessers of the detector.

And to add,,,Has the manufacturer showed video of a properly functioning unit????



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 01:07AM by tnsharpshooter.

I think that the MXS has had 3 updates plus the screen so far,

I have the MXT All Pro and it is one machine that you never have to worry about, I think that they have been tweaking them too, Whites said there is always on going fine tuning going on End Quote, So even when they get the MX-Sport is completed they never stop Tweaking even though they have a final software update installed.

John.

Well,
I did look at the video supplied by manufacturer that was performed before this detector was released.

If folks will go back and look at the dates,,,these videos were put out quite a while before release.

In the meantime after the few initial videos,,,why weren't anymore videos done,,depicting things like the VCO, Modualtion, Iron grunt, etc ???

And separation test as well.

I mean would it be a fair statement to say,,,using the original firmware with Max SAT setting of 6 allowed--- in this configuration was this detector even close ?? From a function standpoint based on settings...

And remember it seems someone in the food chain was commenting on how this detector compared to At Pro and Deus.

Did they even compare???

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Well,
> I did look at the video supplied by manufacturer
> that was performed before this detector was
> released.
>
> If folks will go back and look at the
> dates,,,these videos were put out quite a while
> before release.
>
> In the meantime after the few initial videos,,,why
> weren't anymore videos done,,depicting things like
> the VCO, Modualtion, Iron grunt, etc ???
>
> And separation test as well.
>
> I mean would it be a fair statement to say,,,using
> the original firmware with Max SAT setting of 6
> allowed--- in this configuration was this detector
> even close ?? From a function standpoint based on
> settings...
>
> And remember it seems someone in the food chain
> was commenting on how this detector compared to At
> Pro and Deus.
>
> Did they even compare???

Well you remember what he said about the MXT not seeing the coin within 6 inches from the Nail ??

Do you want to see the facts,

John

Mr. Boykin, as I stated in my pm to you, I will do my best to make a video of the issues I have for you. I will do this because I would really, really like to see this detector "made right". However, as has been pointed out by multiple people here, you are asking me to do the job that Whites should be doing. I expect that making the requested video will take at least an hour and who knows how long it will take to figure a way to post it or email it or burn a copy and snail mail it to you. This detector is acting the way it is fresh from your factory after being worked on by your techs. It was given a clean bill of health by those same techs, yet it isn't right. I understand that it would be prohibitive to thoroughly test each and every detector in all modes with all combinations of settings. However, this is a digital detector. It runs on zeros and ones. I have a very difficult time seeing how the problems being described are isolated to just a few detectors. Analogue detectors I could see but not digital. So I guess in my mind I am having a really hard time understanding why issues being described by many customers are such a mystery to Whites. Y'all make your living making metal detectors. It is a hobby for me. Yet you need me to make a video of the issues being described by multiple other users. Put yourself in your customer's shoes: you just dropped a not small amount of money on a metal detector in anticipation of many hours of enjoyment, only to find that that the detector doesn't work right and the manufacturer can't seem to figure out what the problem is, much less how to fix it. Meanwhile, you have an expensive tool that provides more frustration than enjoyment, and no idea if much less when it may get fixed. Now, what would your view of that manufacturer be. What would be the chance that you would risk your hard-earned money on another product from that manufacturer? How happy would you be to be asked to make a video showing the manufacturer all the ways the product doesn't work? Wouldn't it sound a bit to you like the manufacturer didn't believe what you were saying?

I will get a video to you as quickly as I can. It may be a week or more as my work schedule is heavy over the next week. I will also include all the data I can regard settings and observations, etc. I really want to like this detector; I see a lot of potential there. Hope you guys get it right.

John,

I have seen enough I think of this whole situation.

This was supposed to be what,,,the second waterproof all purpose Vlf detector sold in the USA.

I just hope at least some of the other makers are paying attention here,,,so they know what not to do,,,both for an engineering standpoint as well as a process standpoint for informing customers.

Metrics are very important tools for a manufacturer to use to reflect their knowledge and control of a situation.

No metrics done here,,no real story told.

Basically just send it in.

One problem with this though,,,seem some have sent her in,,actually sent in more than one-- to only not have a proper unit.


Some recommendations,,,manufacturer needs to put out a video showing a proper unit,,dealing with vco, modulation, and iron grunt,,maybe a few more things,,,maybe a proper test to check for backlight hum.

Surely this is not asking for too much.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 02:07AM by tnsharpshooter.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> John,
>
> I have seen enough I think of this whole
> situation.
>
> This was supposed to be what,,,the second
> waterproof all purpose Vlf detector sold in the
> USA.
>
> I just hope at least some of the other makers are
> paying attention here,,,so they know what not to
> do,,,both for an engineering standpoint as well as
> a process standpoint for informing customers.
>
> Metrics are very important tools for a
> manufacturer to use to reflect their knowledge and
> control of a situation.
>
> No metrics done here,,no real story told.
>
> Basically just send it in.
>
> One problem with this though,,,seem some have sent
> her in,,actually sent in more than one-- to only
> not have a proper unit.
>
>
> Some recommendations,,,manufacturer needs to put
> out a video showing a proper unit,,dealing with
> vco, modulation, and iron grunt,,maybe a few more
> things,,,maybe a proper test to check for
> backlight him.
>
> Surely this is not asking for too much.

No, I agree with you for sure because all I have tried to do since that video came out was get to the truth about it all

The Iron Grunt should sound crossed between a Pig and a Frog after the Low Tone, But the low tone and the Grunt are joined as one directly after the other when it is working right, and the Modulation should be louder the closer the Item is to the coil, and very loud in the pin point mode,

Target serration on the MXT A/P using the 10" round DD using small coins you should be able to get the coins to within 3/8" of an inch of each other and depending on the user, I can get them even closer and sweeping over the coins you should get a machine gun effect, IF None of these things are happening with the MXS then it has problems,

Hope this helps,

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 02:18AM by auminesweeper.

> G'day Kenny where you bin hiding,
>
> I could test it without Bias, I had the one of the
> 2nd updates and I like Whites and I was not
> impressed with the model / version I had, and I do
> have 4 other Whites to compare it with, Lol.
>
> Here is the things that need fixing,
>
> 1) VCO
>
> 2) Audio Mod
>
> 3) Iron Grunt,
>
> 4) Back Light / Headphone Hum,
>
> 5) Fix the Pin Point Mode because it sets is self
> to suit Where ever the Gain is Set too and in an
> Air Test it needs to go to at leased 16 to 17
> inches. On a US Quarter, NOTE it needs to be at
> Maximum distance in all mode regardless as to
> where the Gain is set.
>
> 6) Lower the internal Gain Setting So the user
> Gain can be used and So the Machine can be used on
> the Beach because the internal Gain is set way too
> high.
>
> 7) Screen Cracks
>
> 8) And the Screen it's Self.
>
> John.

But according to TBoykin over on Tnet posted on the 27 July -

"we had a few come back just recently with a mechanical issue"

This would account for no official announcement from Whites as its only a FEW MXS's with mechanical issues - Are they still living in the land of denial? - without the official announcement the public could be confused to seeing 'out of stock' posted on re-sellers sites as being - The MXS is that popular it's flying off the shelves - What an absolute mess & I was under the impression they were addressing this.

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Kemper94 Wrote:
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> SeabeeRon Wrote:
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> > Kemper94 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SeabeeRon Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Thanks for the reply! Yes, choice is
> always
> > > > good!! I guess the part that confused me
> was
> > > that
> > > > in an earlier post in this thread you
> > > > stated..."Mine is not working IMO
> correctly."
> >
> > > >
> > > > Yet on the FMDF thread you seem to really
> > like
> > > the
> > > > unit and it is functioning well?!? Again,
> > just
> > > > confused, not trying to create more drama!
> >
> >
> > > Do you have a link for that Ron ? I can't
> seem
> > to
> > > find where he said what you are claiming.
> >
> >
> > Here is the link. It was started about 3
> months
> > ago and updated one month ago.
> >
> [metaldetectingforum.com]
>
> > 2303
>
> Your previous post to the one I stated above you
> said---
>
> " I am a bit confused with this post TNSS or
> perhaps I am reading it incorrectly, but it seems
> to directly contradict a post you made 2 days ago
> on FMDF about MXSport? Sorry in advance if I
> misunderstood. "
> By stating as I highlighted above-- Yet on the
> FMDF thread you seem to really
> > like
> > > the
> > > > unit and it is functioning well?
>
> You left the impression that just 2 days ago he
> said he seemed to really like the machine. It was
> 2 months and 2 days ago that it seemed he really
> liked the machine. 2 days ago he said this on the
> thread you referenced here---
>
> Audio modulation--- this part of this
> detector,,,falls short here,,for 2 reasons,,number
> 1 the tone volume provided doesn't seem to be
> graduated linearly,,,meaning you get quite louder
> tone,,,and at one point tone goes quieter.
>
> And number 2,, tone provide when audio modulation
> is selected,,tone quality seems is compromised vs
> having modulation off.
>
> VCO--the information provided when using,,,when
> comparing to some of my other detectors,,,this
> detector not the norm here. It seems this detector
> when vco is engaged,,,shallower targets,,a signal
> is provided before and after specific tone of the
> target in question,,not the actual rise and fall
> of the tone itself.
>
> My unit btw,,by all accounts does have updated
> firmware.

Thank you Kemper for highlighting this - I have always known TNSS to be a stand-up guy and not into dramatics as pointed out by incorrect poster

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

I've been here basically biting my lip. I just took some time off to see how this stuff shakes out. I think Whites knows how I feel. But had to get back on for a few more posts to "pile it on" as Boykins would put it.

The things I've read from Boyking just built up and I couldn't keep quiet.

What Boyken has said that I really don't understand.

Miss-direction - Hey what kind of videos do you all like? Why even bring this up while you have a massive issue going on that hasn't been resolved?

Slap in the face - " I will be out enjoying the weather with my MX Sport this weekend, far far away from any kind of computer. Should have an update for ya next week!" I felt this was like a "screw you" statement. Why even tell us? Why not say "We are working around the clock and weekends to resolve all issues?"

Casting a shadow - Out of all of the machines we've looked at we can't find one with a bad VCO, hum or ? You customers go out a make a video for us to watch.

None of this looks good from a customers perspective.

Wouldn't it behoove Whites to make a video of a proper working MXS?

They would have more control verses hobbyists making x amount of videos floating all over the net of a MXS not working properly.

As mentioned before......the MXS could be a sweet unit if it ran like it was designed.

It always pays to fess up and do things properly from the get-go. Keeping a good reputation is key for a company to stay in business for generations.

Hopefully, the handling of this glitch will be forgotten, problems ironed out and customers happy..... so Whites can get back on the 5 star track they deserve to be on.

rustic charm Wrote:
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> > G'day Kenny where you bin hiding,
> >
> > I could test it without Bias, I had the one of
> the
> > 2nd updates and I like Whites and I was not
> > impressed with the model / version I had, and I
> do
> > have 4 other Whites to compare it with, Lol.
> >
> > Here is the things that need fixing,
> >
> > 1) VCO
> >
> > 2) Audio Mod
> >
> > 3) Iron Grunt,
> >
> > 4) Back Light / Headphone Hum,
> >
> > 5) Fix the Pin Point Mode because it sets is
> self
> > to suit Where ever the Gain is Set too and in
> an
> > Air Test it needs to go to at leased 16 to 17
> > inches. On a US Quarter, NOTE it needs to be
> at
> > Maximum distance in all mode regardless as to
> > where the Gain is set.
> >
> > 6) Lower the internal Gain Setting So the user
> > Gain can be used and So the Machine can be used
> on
> > the Beach because the internal Gain is set way
> too
> > high.
> >
> > 7) Screen Cracks
> >
> > 8) And the Screen it's Self.
> >
> > John.
>
> But according to TBoykin over on Tnet posted on
> the 27 July -
>
> "we had a few come back just recently with a
> mechanical issue"

Number 8 is the mechanical issue,

John.

GREAT DAY!----Eight "issues" on the MXS??-----GLAD I didn't "take the bait" on this one!

I had my timeline wrong in my earlier post. As the link shows below the thread was started on 5/26/16 and last updated 7/26/16.

[metaldetectingforum.com]

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> 1) VCO
>
> 2) Audio Mod
>
> 3) Iron Grunt,
>
> 4) Back Light / Headphone Hum,
>
> 5) Fix the Pin Point Mode because it sets is self
> to suit Where ever the Gain is Set too and in an
> Air Test it needs to go to at leased 16 to 17
> inches. On a US Quarter, NOTE it needs to be at
> Maximum distance in all mode regardless as to
> where the Gain is set.
>
> 6) Lower the internal Gain Setting So the user
> Gain can be used and So the Machine can be used on
> the Beach because the internal Gain is set way too
> high.
>
> 7) Screen Cracks
>
> 8) And the Screen it's Self.
>
> John.

John,

Thank you for taking the time to write out what you'd like to see changed on the MX Sport. I can go point by point if you'd like to see where we're at-

1. VCO is working as intended. It operates differently in Relic mode than All-Metal. Relic mode is "mixed-mode" audio, where the all-metal VCO and Tone ID are both on the audio output. If you prefer just the VCO you can hunt in All-Metal to skip the Tone ID. You still get VDI numbers in AM, which is pretty sweet.

2. Audio Modulation - I compared it to the AT-Pro and it is different. On the MXS it kicks in around 10" whereas the ATP has a more linear response. We will look into this more since it has come up a few different times.

3. Iron Grunt is working - the Grunt is the lowest tone the MXS produces, a low C one whole octave lower than the VCO tone. Is the pitch not low enough for you?

4. Backlight Hum - have a hunch on this and we are tracking it down with the help of some MXS owners.

5. PP gain. Personal preference. With max gain in PP mode you would have a tough time in trashy areas, shallow targets will overload, in highly mineralized ground or salt PP mode at full gain will be unusable. Having it reflect the user-defined TX/RX gain is a compromise, but one that gives people more flexibility across different soil conditions and depths.

6. Internal gain. Again, flexibility. Lower the gain, lose depth (and ability to pick out little nuggets). People have been running the MXS at the beach with gain set between 3 and 5 and still reporting acceptable depth. You don't need to run a detector wide open all the time, just like you don't need to drive with the gas pedal mashed to the floor all the time. There is a time and place for BOOST mode, and we want to leave that decision up to the users vs. limit the available power.

7 and 8. Screen stuff. Did you notice the MXS is listed out of stock on our site?

I think we need to do a better job at educating our users on some of the differences with this detector. For example, some of our relic hunters use all-metal, some user relic, some use coin and jewelry. There are so many different ways to use the machine and each person will have their own preferences on what is the "correct" way to use it. But I think we can do a better job of relaying that info to our users.

Boykin i dont feel as if whites is truly getting what is being said.. with all of the posts on other forums and most likely Facebook being deleted it makes it hard for people to see what is really going on here... Please dont ever tell me or anyone on here that we dont know how to run the mxsport.. if thats what your saying.. i would have no problem being a tester if you sent me a free detector and tell you what i think, but for us customers to spend money on Whites machines just to turn into a tester and basically ups due to all of the shipping back and forth is extremely stupid to think.. the more i hear about this the more it sounds like whites dont care.. call all of your "YES MEN" testers and teach them to test and show them how to say "no" so something can be caught before it turns into this... I dont believe for a second that this is the only forum or close to only forum to complain about this junk detector.. it doesn't work period. Recall it already and stop sending junk detectors out.. and you make a video of what this mxsport is supposed to perform like.. every mode, passing over objects etc .. start with vids of what most are complaining about..

tboykin Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > 1) VCO
> >
> > 2) Audio Mod
> >
> > 3) Iron Grunt,
> >
> > 4) Back Light / Headphone Hum,
> >
> > 5) Fix the Pin Point Mode because it sets is
> self
> > to suit Where ever the Gain is Set too and in
> an
> > Air Test it needs to go to at leased 16 to 17
> > inches. On a US Quarter, NOTE it needs to be
> at
> > Maximum distance in all mode regardless as to
> > where the Gain is set.
> >
> > 6) Lower the internal Gain Setting So the user
> > Gain can be used and So the Machine can be used
> on
> > the Beach because the internal Gain is set way
> too
> > high.
> >
> > 7) Screen Cracks
> >
> > 8) And the Screen it's Self.
> >
> > John.
>
> John,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to write out what
> you'd like to see changed on the MX Sport. I can
> go point by point if you'd like to see where we're
> at-
>
> 1. VCO is working as intended. It operates
> differently in Relic mode than All-Metal. Relic
> mode is "mixed-mode" audio, where the all-metal
> VCO and Tone ID are both on the audio output. If
> you prefer just the VCO you can hunt in All-Metal
> to skip the Tone ID. You still get VDI numbers in
> AM, which is pretty sweet.

People are complaining about the Audio breaking up at certain depths turning in to more of a crackle than a Tone
>
> 2. Audio Modulation - I compared it to the AT-Pro
> and it is different. On the MXS it kicks in around
> 10" whereas the ATP has a more linear response. We
> will look into this more since it has come up a
> few different times.
Why not use the Audio mod set up from the MXT seeing as it is a Tried and test base to work from and has 16 years of success to back it up

>
> 3. Iron Grunt is working - the Grunt is the lowest
> tone the MXS produces, a low C one whole octave
> lower than the VCO tone. Is the pitch not low
> enough for you?
This is why people don't hear the Iron Grunt, people are expecting to hear the sounds as per MXT in the prospecting mode or like that of the GMT, Why are Whites trying to change the way we detect, The prospecting System on Whites metal Detectors was Designed and Built for Prospectors By Prospectors, The Programmers have very little knowledge about the environments that we use these machines in, This Low "C" thing is not even remotely acceptable in the Prospecting World, Grab a GMT and take the Programmer outside and swing the coils over a Rusty Nail, It is Not a Toy, It is a Tool, And what ever they know about programming they need to forget because a prospecting machine is not an X-Box and I mean that respectfully, Jimmy Sierra and Dave Johnson are Both Prospectors, and Dave Johnson is the Best Detector Designer the World has ever seen, Those Guys are the reason that the GMT and the MXT is still a force to be reckoned with even to this Day, Remember Designed by Prospectors for Prospectors and that is all you need to focus On.
>
> 4. Backlight Hum - have a hunch on this and we are
> tracking it down with the help of some MXS
> owners.
>
> 5. PP gain. Personal preference. With max gain in
> PP mode you would have a tough time in trashy
> areas, shallow targets will overload, in highly
> mineralized ground or salt PP mode at full gain
> will be unusable. Having it reflect the
> user-defined TX/RX gain is a compromise, but one
> that gives people more flexibility across
> different soil conditions and depths.

Sorry Tom but that is not right, Every Metal Detector ever made has used the same principals in the pin point mode, Again Whites programmers are trying to change everything that we know about Detecting and it Won't work and people will not except it, For a simple reason the Pin Point mode has other uses Like Tracing pipes under ground etc because some of us use it as A TR Non- Motion Mode when searching SO if Whites Is going to keep giving the programmers /Designers free reign While ignoring Metal Detecting Basics then Whites Will Loose out in a big way Because We will not except such things, Because what we have Now took years to perfect and We won't have it Ruined by people who do not have a Clue as to What we are About.

> 6. Internal gain. Again, flexibility. Lower the
> gain, lose depth (and ability to pick out little
> nuggets). People have been running the MXS at the
> beach with gain set between 3 and 5 and still
> reporting acceptable depth. You don't need to run
> a detector wide open all the time, just like you
> don't need to drive with the gas pedal mashed to
> the floor all the time. There is a time and place
> for BOOST mode, and we want to leave that decision
> up to the users vs. limit the available power.

Tom this is Totally not True Mate, I do not know who is telling you this stuff But that is Rubbish, They have made this Machine way too Hot, My MXT can already see bits so small that you have to wet your finger to pick them up, Smaller than 0.1 grain OR 0.006 grams and yet they have tried to run this machine hotter, Tom a Target that weighs 0.006 grams is the size of a Grain of Sugar So they do not need to make them run hotter than the MXT All Pro, People just need to learn their machines better

Who ever is telling you this stuff is wrong mate, And I wish you were near by because I could show you just what these machines can do, You have only been doing this a short while and that is NOT your fault but who ever said that knows how to swing a coil but they know very little about Detecting or the Machines

> 7 and 8. Screen stuff. Did you notice the MXS is
> listed out of stock on our site?

Yes I did notice it Tom and I was one of the first to see it

> I think we need to do a better job at educating
> our users on some of the differences with this
> detector. For example, some of our relic hunters
> use all-metal, some user relic, some use coin and
> jewelry. There are so many different ways to use
> the machine and each person will have their own
> preferences on what is the "correct" way to use
> it. But I think we can do a better job of relaying
> that info to our users.

No Tom you do not need to educate us At ALL We Know Our Job and how to do it, What Whites Needs to do is Stop trying to change the way we Detect, What Whites needs to do Is Listen, and Stop trying to change things that took 30 years to perfect, We Have Detecting down to a fine Art, What we need from Whites is the things that WE Deem as useful to the Industry to be added to the machines and NOT take away the features that we have Proven to be the Best of the Best, Whites have Tried it Your / Their Way and it has NOT worked and Whites for the First Time in History is a Laughing Stock, NOW Either Whites Listens or this it for Whites, And Stop Messing with What We Have, DON'T Tell us what we Need We Know the Answer to that Question

The Last Thing I Need is to be Educated By People Who Don't Have a Clue about the Detecting World, Because The Staff at Whites that did know, Now Work Else Where, How Can Whites Educate people about how to run a machine when they can't get them to Run Right, Educate Me ?? I Bloody Resent That, I've been Doing this Man and Boy,

Don't take this as personal Tom, because it is Not, But the whole world should not have to be re-educated because of One Detector, Especially one of this Calibre,

I know you are doing your best mate, But your Faith is a Little Miss-Guided,

John

Go ahead Mr Boykin,,,post this entire link to the White's forum.

I mean you have made comments here about the detector and its goings on with the manufacturer.

I don't see anything resembling this thread--- what is talked about on the other forum.

If I try to post something similar over there,,,it will more than likely get a snippet response and then be locked.

I mean why does a person have to come here to find out the truth about this detector,,,,vs the very own manufacturers site forum???

Doing what I recommend here,,,owners of the actual detector,,,they may make comments that will shed even more light there,,,,and this information could indeed be helpful to the manufacturer.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2016 01:03PM by tnsharpshooter.

Steve Herschbach Wrote:
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> tboykin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The thing is there
> > seem to be a lot of machines out there with NO
> > issues.
>
> That is the root of many of the problems Tom. This
> idea that just because casual users do not know wh
> at constitutes a properly operating detector means
> those detectors are ok. The fact is every metal de
> tector manufactured before the latest firmware was
> applied has the original firmware problems, unless
> they have been returned since. Just because people
> are not using the detector or have not noted the p
> roblems do not mean they do not exist. Every MX Sp
> ort made prior to the May switch in the faceplate
> material all have faceplates that may develop crac
> ks. Just because the problem has not exhibited its
> elf yet does not mean it does not exist. I persona
> lly doubt that the so-called final firmware fix co
> mpletely addressed all the issues anyway but was s
> imply deemed "good enough".
>
> I sold a lot of detectors in 35 years, more person
> ally than just a handful of others who are alive t
> oday. I always figured something like 80% of the d
> etectors I sold only got used a few times if that.
> Most people buying detectors have never owned one
> before. And for most it is not the hobby they thou
> ght it was, so after a time or two the machine goe
> s into the closet or garage. Others use the machin
> es only a few times a year due to busy lives and c
> ompeting hobbies. Huge numbers of people buy detec
> tors and never really learn them. These people do
> not know what a detector is supposed to act like,
> never having owned one before.
>
> The MX Sport at its worst detects metal. Anyone ca
> n take one, go out and it will beep and stuff get
> found. To those people all is well. They never rea
> d the manual, and do not know what half those func
> tions do. To assume all is well because most MX Sp
> ort detectors are getting sold to people too uninf
> ormed to be aware of the problems is a huge mistak
> e. Leaving these units on dealer shelves knowing a
> customer is going to get a substandard detector -
> that is not customer service. It is simply a bet m
> ost will go to people who won't figure it out, one
> less detector to fix.
>
> You seem like a really nice guy Tom, and you have
> been doing a great job diving in to take the heat
> and offer explanations where possible. This is not
> a criticism of you personally. I have tried my bes
> t to also continue to give White's the benefit of
> the doubt. The situation however, as illustrated s
> o well by ncwayne, is that even given multiple cha
> nces White's is failing at the job, and it is not
> just one or two grumblers either. I have never see
> n anything so bad in my 40 years involvement in me
> tal detecting. Not even close. Yet people seem str
> angely calm that they are paying White's for the p
> rivilege of being beta testers. Me, I get angry ju
> st reading about it! I am thankful I spared myself
> the nonsense by ditching my MX Sport as soon as po
> ssible - to a fully informed buyer. I knew the mac
> hine was a hot mess that was not going to get fixe
> d anytime soon, but even I had no idea it would pr
> ogress as far as it has
^^^^ Well put...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2017 08:20AM by Diggs4ever.

"point being I was sold a debunked detector from you which you blamed on must of happened in shipping. I will check our communication chain from back in the day and make sure it was you."

Yeah, you might want to do that since I never traded anyone for an Etrac in my life. You might want to get your facts straight before you slander people.

Steve Herschbach Wrote:
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> "point being I was sold a debunked detector from y
> ou which you blamed on must of happened in shippin
> g. I will check our communication chain from back
> in the day and make sure it was you."
>
> Yeah, you might want to do that since I never trad
> ed anyone for an Etrac in my life. You might want
> to get your facts straight before you slander peop
> le.


His name was Steve Herschman Sorry I thought It was you, I will edit that post

Thank you, I appreciate that.

Again sorry, There is no need for anyone to come on here and read that crap. I dropped the ball on this one, Cheers

Personally I don't mind the machine.... Is it the best machine on the market?? No there are many more that outperform it, but I truly feel it has a fun factor to it, taking its self less serious than some of the hardcore focused machines out there, intentional who knows.

I never tried the first batch but the MXS needs to go on a diet and build materials could be better in some areas, sure has punch and sensitivity and love the audio when using zero disc, while applying disc machine audio is too choppy and a little harsh.

But I feel the good thing about the issues people have shown concern with on this machine is that whites sure ain't going to make the same errors again.. If they do then it's time to have a little spring cleaning if you know what I mean.

Edited.. Thoughts added.



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Ziggy Wrote:
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> Personally I don't mind the machine.... Is it the
> best machine on the market?? No there are many mor
> e that outperform it, but I truly feel it has a fu
> n factor to it, taking its self less serious than
> some of the hardcore focused machines out there, i
> ntentional who knows.
>
> I never tried the first batch but the MXS needs to
> go on a diet and build materials could be better i
> n some areas, sure has punch and sensitivity and l
> ove the audio when using zero disc, while applying
> disc machine audio is too choppy and a little hars
> h.
>
> But I feel the good thing about the issues people
> have shown concern with on this machine is that wh
> ites sure ain't going to make the same errors agai
> n.. If they do then it's time to have a little spr
> ing cleaning if you know what I mean.
>
> Edited.. Thoughts added.

The unit I received is free from any of this issues which is great. The only thing I have noticed is a slight hum while backlight is on which I have scene in other brands as well. So far so good. Cheers

My story with MXS is not funny too. I'm from Europe. My MXS serial: 6264-0347-094-3CBB. I was test it on my YT channel... and I was found some nasty problems too. Flat old style, two layers military buttons with DD coil has broken tone... and broken tone only at near the coil. Only some of them. One sort or type... I was post video about it... and Youtube deleted it....

I was write to them. They answer: video deleted by user.... but I didn't do it and I'm 100% sure. My tread and video about it was moved fast to video section on Whites forum. I was ask why?! but our famous moderator... but this is not important.

I was write to Whites UK they check my SN and they said: if you want to send unit to us.

I'm waiting for 950 coil to compare it.I have many other brand machines. I was compare mixed mode MXS to V3i and even both in mono, MXS mixed mode is poor.

I was sold my Deus, and now I'm not sure that was good idea... MXS is metal detecting trap....

Hey Shelton, I replied to your thread on the White's Forum but figured replying here was good too. Alloy buttons (and coins) can do funny things to metal detectors. Fox's suggestion about trying the 950 coil is a good one. But there are a few things you can do to help ID these targets.

In general the more iron content something has, the wider the range of VDI's (and audio response) a target has. For stuff like that you will need to open up your discrimination some, and running in one tone mode with iron grunt is likely the way to go to help your ears out. That way anything that's not discriminated (say above -20 VDI) with get you a nice solid beep. And anything lower will just grunt. Some people have a hard time with too much info from a machine, and simplifying the audio response may help.

You say the MXS is a metal-detecting trap... The way out of that trap is to learn how to use the machine! It just takes a little time is all.

As far as your YouTube video - I'm not sure why it was removed. It was a good example of how alloys ring up on the MX Sport, and there was nothing wrong with it.

The issue is that if you move this button away from coil you have nice clear signal, but if you are close - shallow target tone is change for broken sound and you get some iron feedback. Buttons are difficult objects... but respond of MX is broken. It is the same for Coin and Jewellery and Relics program!

I'm not using VCO and modulation... so in my opinion this is software problem. At some others machines you get broken sound for bottle caps, and with MXS you get this respond amplified too much but not for bottle caps - for some buttons. For other brand I can clearly distinguish sound of button from bottle cap...

With MXS not. I will change for 950 coil, I was order it... so I was pay additional money to have working machine this is good in your opinion tboykin?

Button ID... my movie:
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