White's Electronics Video Ideas

Hey guys, just wanted to get some input on the types of videos you'd like to see from White's in the future. Here are some of the ones that show the direction we're going on our YouTube channel---

DJ DIGS - 1794 Liberty Cap

NEVADA - Rattlesnakes, Ghost Towns, and Gold Nuggets

DiPA 2016

Factory Tour

Anyways, let me know what you'd like to see in the future. We do make product videos... But they aren't as fun to shoot

tboykin Wrote:
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> Hey guys, just wanted to get some input on the
> types of videos you'd like to see from White's in
> the future. Here are some of the ones that show
> the direction we're going on our YouTube
> channel---
>
> DJ DIGS - 1794 Liberty Cap
>
> NEVADA - Rattlesnakes, Ghost Towns, and Gold
> Nuggets
>
> DiPA 2016
>
> Factory Tour
>
> Anyways, let me know what you'd like to see in the
> future. We do make product videos... But they
> aren't as fun to shoot

I believe that making a better product is more important than making a better video..JMHO

tboykin Wrote:

>
> Anyways, let me know what you'd like to see in the
> future. We do make product videos... But they
> aren't as fun to shoot


I realize that it is expensive to operate in the U. S. Your factory tour gave the impression that you are a U.S. company. A video showing a factory tour of your 40 dollar Taiwan digger would be interesting.

The Nevada Trip is a Class Video And I said when you first posted it that I thought it was Great and I still like it, And the DiPA 2016 is also good, I don't care much for the others, But the two I mention do hold a persons concentration and are very enjoyable, I think that is the direction Whites Videos should follow, Something that we have not seen where the viewer can follow the journey along with learning a bit of history from across the Globe,

Go Pro videos are ok but they are hard on the eyes trying to keep pace with them and the sound can suffer from wind noise,

Videos like the Nevada one is great but it could do with about 20% more detecting just to remind us what it's all about, Damn good videos just the same.

John

I like the behind the scene's type video's or "spotlight" videos interviewing employees specific to what they do at white's. Gives good incite into the good people there and what it takes to make and sell detectors. Technical videos are good too but there are plenty of youtubers for those sort of test as you would just be viewed as biased anyway and get dumped on by the haters. Haters gonna hate.

Subtle teasers in the backgrounds of videos for those with a keen eye would be cool. Stay way from banana videos and april fools jokes.

Mr Boykin,
I have nothing personally against you.

I hope your question here is sincere as well.

Folks want more than videos,,,but as far as videos go.

Good videos first of all that show the features of the detector.

Video show ID in great detail,,,show the potentially in the past areas,,,of coil ears, coil covers, rod,,and rod joint security, battery compartment,,ease of coil changing, headphone jack,,with and without headphones being used.

Audio should be shown (heard) both from external speaker if applicable ,,as well as headphones--- might also consider good aftermarket phones as well.

Menu system and ease to navigate.

Water machines need to the showed in the water as well as the land if the detector is deemed all purpose.

Detector's reaction when iron and nails are swept.

Some real Iive hunting scenarios and honest depth coin gardens ,,with comments on ground mineral levels.

Have more than one person doing the vids and using the detector-- less chance of bias.

Finally,,,I strongly consider you folks,,,,finding some worthy folks to test your units,,they too can do videos ,,,,this all not maybe not the best to do after release,,, pre release as well.

Cheers

Oh and I forgot,,,,never ever show a factory video of another manufacturer's detector---Bad practice.



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tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Mr Boykin,
> I have nothing personally against you.
>
> I hope your question here is sincere as well.
>
> Folks want more than videos,,,but as far as videos
> go.
>
> Good videos first of all that show the features of
> the detector.
>
> Video show ID in great detail,,,show the
> potentially in the past areas,,,of coil ears, coil
> covers, rod,,and rod joint security, battery
> compartment,,ease of coil changing, headphone
> jack,,with and without headphones being used.
>
> Audio should be shown (heard) both from external
> speaker if applicable ,,as well as headphones---
> might also consider good aftermarket phones as
> well.
>
> Menu system and ease to navigate.
>
> Water machines need to the showed in the water as
> well as the land if the detector is deemed all
> purpose.
>
> Detector's reaction when iron and nails are
> swept.
>
> Some real Iive hunting scenarios and honest depth
> coin gardens ,,with comments on ground mineral
> levels.
>
> Have more than one person doing the vids and using
> the detector-- less chance of bias.
>
> Finally,,,I strongly consider you folks,,,,finding
> some worthy folks to test your units,,they too can
> do videos ,,,,this all not maybe not the best to
> do after release,,, pre release as well.
>
> Cheers
>
> Oh and I forgot,,,,never ever show a factory video
> of another manufacturer's detector---Bad practice.


Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, we learned a lesson on that one with the comparison video. That and the banana (my idea). We are trying to get more people involved with our videos. Both to give Steve a break and to gain outside insight on our products and what people think. The MX Sport release has shown us many things, and we're still learning lessons from it. I've been collecting information from people who'd like to be a part of testing in the future.

tboykin Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr Boykin,
> > I have nothing personally against you.
> >
> > I hope your question here is sincere as well.
> >
> > Folks want more than videos,,,but as far as
> videos
> > go.
> >
> > Good videos first of all that show the features
> of
> > the detector.
> >
> > Video show ID in great detail,,,show the
> > potentially in the past areas,,,of coil ears,
> coil
> > covers, rod,,and rod joint security, battery
> > compartment,,ease of coil changing, headphone
> > jack,,with and without headphones being used.
> >
> > Audio should be shown (heard) both from
> external
> > speaker if applicable ,,as well as
> headphones---
> > might also consider good aftermarket phones as
> > well.
> >
> > Menu system and ease to navigate.
> >
> > Water machines need to the showed in the water
> as
> > well as the land if the detector is deemed all
> > purpose.
> >
> > Detector's reaction when iron and nails are
> > swept.
> >
> > Some real Iive hunting scenarios and honest
> depth
> > coin gardens ,,with comments on ground mineral
> > levels.
> >
> > Have more than one person doing the vids and
> using
> > the detector-- less chance of bias.
> >
> > Finally,,,I strongly consider you
> folks,,,,finding
> > some worthy folks to test your units,,they too
> can
> > do videos ,,,,this all not maybe not the best
> to
> > do after release,,, pre release as well.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Oh and I forgot,,,,never ever show a factory
> video
> > of another manufacturer's detector---Bad
> practice.
>
>
> Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, we learned a
> lesson on that one with the comparison video. That
> and the banana (my idea). We are trying to get
> more people involved with our videos. Both to give
> Steve a break and to gain outside insight on our
> products and what people think. The MX Sport
> release has shown us many things, and we're still
> learning lessons from it. I've been collecting
> information from people who'd like to be a part of
> testing in the future.


Good move on your part,,to be looking for testers.

I have always said,,even sometimes a tester doesn't have to be super experienced,,,,and the reason for this,,,how simple a detector is to operate and navigate a person with more limited experience here may show better.

Good luck with your continued search.

tboykin Wrote:
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> Thank you for your thoughts. Yes, we learned a
> lesson on that one with the comparison video. That
> and the banana (my idea). We are trying to get
> more people involved with our videos. Both to give
> Steve a break and to gain outside insight on our
> products and what people think. The MX Sport
> release has shown us many things, and we're still
> learning lessons from it. I've been collecting
> information from people who'd like to be a part of
> testing in the future

There are many people here with the skill and knowledge base to help out doing testing Most have what it takes, And One name comes to mind who has been involved with Whites for well over 40 years and whether he likes it or not 70 or 80% of folks would buy a machine just on his say so, So it would be a wise investment for Whites to pay him to evaluate machines when the first Mule is made Long before it goes in to production because he can translate his findings in to a useable format for Whites Engineers.

Just watched the commercial for the MX sport on youtube, 1 comment left by a Thomas Boykin ' Love my MX sport'
.
.
.

So at least someone loves it!!



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ghound Wrote:
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> Just watched the commercial for the MX sport on
> youtube, 1 comment left by a Thomas Boykin ' Love
> my MX sport'
> .
> .
> .
>
> So at least someone loves it!!

Lol, ffs, Your a hard to please,

lol, That's funny. ><><

Mr Boykin,,

Something else here to add.

I saw this practice actually being executed here by NASA Tom the host here,,,,he was allowing a manufacturers (one detector) to be piggy back tested and used by several folks.

Doing this with a prerelease detector,,,might help with shaking out possible problems early on--- since this one detector it would seem would accrue many hours of use and possibly be operated in different terrains (environments).

The what I call piggy back testers,,,could as they are using keep someone in the company informed as to any concerns or problems, or recommendations.

This would be a separate from maybe formal tester scenario.

Cheers.



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tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Mr Boykin,,
>
> Something else here to add.
>
> I saw this practice actually being executed here
> by NASA Tom the host here,,,,he was allowing a
> manufacturers (one detector) to be picky back
> tested and used by several folks.
>
> Doing this with a prerelease detector,,,might help
> with shaking out possible problems early on---
> since this one detector it would seem would accrue
> many hours of use and possibly be operated in
> different terrains (environments).
>
> The what I call piggy back testers,,,could as they
> are using keep someone in the company informed as
> to any concerns or problems, or recommendations.
>
> This would be a separate from maybe formal tester
> scenario.
>
> Cheers.

That's a great idea. Maybe after the product is announced and the word is out we on the next one we can do something like this. Crowd-source the testing.

I think factory detecting videos should start where the owner's manual leaves off, and explore the unique features of the machine, such as AudMod and VCO and Iron Grunt on the MX Sport. Explain why it works a certain way and how it can be used to advantage by the operator. Or when to increase SAT or decrease Sensitivity? Maybe categorize the videos by level of user proficiency/interest such as quick start, mid-level, and in-depth.

Wayne

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

My wife made one a year ago today. She only got one comment and that was from me today. She isn't too crazy about her looks on it as it was done right before she had double knee replacement and thinks it makes her " fat " as she couldn't get around too good at the time.
[www.youtube.com]

tboykin Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr Boykin,,
> >
> > Something else here to add.
> >
> > I saw this practice actually being executed
> here
> > by NASA Tom the host here,,,,he was allowing a
> > manufacturers (one detector) to be picky back
> > tested and used by several folks.
> >
> > Doing this with a prerelease detector,,,might
> help
> > with shaking out possible problems early on---
> > since this one detector it would seem would
> accrue
> > many hours of use and possibly be operated in
> > different terrains (environments).
> >
> > The what I call piggy back testers,,,could as
> they
> > are using keep someone in the company informed
> as
> > to any concerns or problems, or
> recommendations.
> >
> > This would be a separate from maybe formal
> tester
> > scenario.
> >
> > Cheers.
>
> That's a great idea. Maybe after the product is
> announced and the word is out we on the next one
> we can do something like this. Crowd-source the
> testing.


I look at this piggy back testing I call it like this.

This get a lot of hours one one detector,,with lots of buttons being pushed,,on off switch being used more,,,overall puts the detector through the ringer so to speak from a mechanical standpoint.

If the persons chosen,,,if where they live were used moreso to pass a detector around,,,shipping costs could be controlled moreso.

It wouldn't be entirely out of the realm of possibility,,,for a company like White's to do this maybe from a west coast east thingy-- using 2 detectors .

Anything and everything,,,that will shake out any problems,,,,keeping in mind this has to be at least cost affordable.

I would definitely be interested in participating in a program like this,,,if it comes to bear.

Cheers

For your reference,,this was done post release.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

Btw if using post release,,,a program like this could help with actual advertising.



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If you get away from the technical videos just hang a Whites sign in the background of a video like this. --
[www.youtube.com]

Kemper - tell your wife (respectfully) she looks great in that video. And give the dogs a pat for me. I have a lab/aussie mix and a rat-dog that would not sit still for a photo let alone a video clip.

tnsharpshooter - That is an awesome idea. The traveling detector. Get some miles on it and also spread the word. How would you suggest making sure someone doesn't "runn-oft" with the machine? That'd be the only concern. If you'd like to be a part of future testing please send me a PM so I can get your information.

Wayne - having different levels of videos would be a good thing. Maybe the "expert" level ones can be shorter clips on one subject each. Like how to use Reject Volume to work an area thoroughly. As far as SAT, the general rule is you only use what you need. But maybe better to have a video explaining that as well.

Thank you guys for the ideas, please keep them coming.

tboykin Wrote:

> tnsharpshooter - That is an awesome idea. The
> traveling detector. Get some miles on it and also
> spread the word. How would you suggest making sure
> someone doesn't "runn-oft" with the machine?
> That'd be the only concern. If you'd like to be a
> part of future testing please send me a PM so I
> can get your information.

> Thank you guys for the ideas, please keep them
> coming.

No one would run off with it because the Detecting world would Rip em a New One and not only that we are in this together despite some heated comments and most of these blokes are Stand up Guys So you have nothing to fear,

John

tboykin Wrote:
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> Kemper - tell your wife (respectfully) she looks
> great in that video. And give the dogs a pat for
> me. I have a lab/aussie mix and a rat-dog that
> would not sit still for a photo let alone a video
> clip.
>
> tnsharpshooter - That is an awesome idea. The
> traveling detector. Get some miles on it and also
> spread the word. How would you suggest making sure
> someone doesn't "runn-oft" with the machine?
> That'd be the only concern. If you'd like to be a
> part of future testing please send me a PM so I
> can get your information.
>
> Wayne - having different levels of videos would be
> a good thing. Maybe the "expert" level ones can be
> shorter clips on one subject each. Like how to use
> Reject Volume to work an area thoroughly. As far
> as SAT, the general rule is you only use what you
> need. But maybe better to have a video explaining
> that as well.
>
> Thank you guys for the ideas, please keep them
> coming.


Mr Boykin,

To answer your question,,how would you keep,someone from running off with detector??

Good question.

Some thoughts here.

First and foremost you must change your forum (White's) to better let folks share their opinions,,,and let threads run their true course.
This locking threads,,hoping they will eventually be buried--- is for the birds.

I wouldn't send a piggy back detector to juat anyone,,,I would be looking at their forum activity,,,their overall presence,,how they communicate,,how respectful they are,,,and how sincere they are.

A company rep to monitor forums,,to get to know folks,,,be open with ,,,,the cream will come to the top.

Does this eliminate all and any risks??? Probably not.

For example,,,I could if you ask me right now,,,I could point to you at least 2 dozen folks who frequent this forum--- I would back solidly as being forthright and trustworthy.

I don't think I am the only one here who could infact do this..

Maybe you could coordinate with some of the different forum heads as well for guidance.

Most folks who are serious about detecting,,,a special breed,,more attentive than the average Joe IMO,,,and I feel more trustworthy as well.

Folks who visit this forum,,have a thirst for detector performance,,,they want all detector manufacturers to succeed,,,why??

Because it opens up the possibilities for more overall better detecting equipment vs yesteryear.



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I have A Site that'll test man and machine and I don't care how good they are this place would make A Parson Swear, Most of my sites are pretty heaving Duty but this one takes the Cake, It's not so much the Soil and it has a small power sub station by the edge of the field and 170,000 volt over head power lines and about 4000 years of metal workings in the ground and it is So close to a WW II Air field, some of the stuff could be 3 or 4000 years old.

John



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I don't watch a lot of youtube videos but I do BUY videos. I like vids like Chris Gholson's 'Nugget Hunting Essentials" and stuff like Perry Massies, 'Bedrock Busting", and Tom Dankowski's first video.

I watch videos partly for entertainment but mostly for that competative edge. If you really want to showcase a unit, focus on the treasure and the hunt to recover it and showcase the unit's ability to locate and help recover whatever it is that you are looking for. The metal detector is just a tool. Use the tool and let us watch you use the tool in your hunt. Make the video good enough that I'd be willing to drop $20 to buy it.

I like videos like the hunt for meterorites in Anartica with the GMT, but add a little more focus on the tool (GMT).

For the MXSport I would like to see a video of a guy hunting jewelry and coins under boat docks. He could snorkel or SCUBA either way. But underwater filming showing the techniques and the tools in use. Stuff like that.

Make me want to get up and go do what you are showing.

Good luck,
HH
Mike.

Heck in 1997 Whites was on a roll with the vids.

[www.youtube.com]

First and foremost you must change your forum (White's) to better let folks share their opinions,,,and let threads run their true course.
This locking threads,,hoping they will eventually be buried--- is for the birds.--TNSS

Come on TNSS you know as well as I that isn't a forum. It is called one by Whites but they know it is just a club. They have no intentions of using that other than to promote their products and answer questions in a way that makes Whites look good. Nobody is posting any finds on there they couldn't find with a different brand of detector. You are not allowed to say anything negative about Whites or Whites products unless they think they can make you look bad by doing it.

For instance - You can say the MXS is better than the racer. You can not say the racer is better than the MXS. You can say the MXS is as good as the racer. You can not say the racer is as good as the MXS.

Things that are not acceptable on the forum: 13.The overt promotion of other brands.

It's only called a " forum" because it sounds better than " club" . There are many other things in the rules and guidelines that will be interpreted to Whites advantage. The same can be said for many other places that call their site a forum. That's the reality of the situation. Whites is a business trying to make money. They are not in the forum business. To make money they are selling an MXS for 800 dollars that probably doesn't cost any/much more to make than a 200 dollar ACE 250. They may have to do that to stay in business.

As I said earlier you are wasting your time trying to change their " forum " or business. The technology found here is available for the use of anyone and if someone can make money off it more power to them. If someone wants to help them do that, that is fine. The technology can be used to improve detectors and help people be more productive with those detectors.

That " forum " is a reflection of their company. It can be inspected and tested and has been. It is what it is.

I just can't wrap my head around you wanting ideas about future videos when you know there are 99.99% of machines on shelves and in the hands of users with issues? I only know of 1 machine that is claimed to be running at 100% and that is Steve's. I do not believe his or any MXS's you use at the very least have a usable modulated audio? If so make a video of that. There should be all hands on deck to rectify ALL the MXS's issues. Yet it seems to me Detecting BINGO has been the priority.

Ooops,, this went tits up Quick Lol

More Tea VICAR (Reverend)

Lol, John

Personally I liked the series TREASURE HUNTING AMERICA I would stay with that format.

I really hate the Diggers type videos you guys made but I have a feeling you think that is what sold the Garrett AT PRO and possibly did help them some. Do you want the money of the PRO's or some fool that watched diggers and is going to try it once?
On top of that that digger show did nothing but damage the hobby by people leaving holes everywhere and leaving trash behind just check out youtube. Those Videos are so immature I would turn my back on a Company doing that stuff so I hope you ditch those Videos ASAP. There are quite a few people digging monster plugs in parks and think it is OK even some of our own Forum members and a few leaving larger trash on the beach because they don't want to carry it out.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Personally I liked the series TREASURE HUNTING
> AMERICA I would stay with that format.
>
> I really hate the Diggers type videos you guys
> made but I have a feeling you think that is what
> sold the Garrett AT PRO and possibly did help them
> some. Do you want the money of the PRO's or some
> fool that watched diggers and is going to try it
> once?
> On top of that that digger show did nothing but
> damage the hobby by people leaving holes
> everywhere and leaving trash behind just check out
> youtube. Those Videos are so immature I would turn
> my back on a Company doing that stuff so I hope
> you ditch those Videos ASAP. There are quite a few
> people digging monster plugs in parks and think it
> is OK even some of our own Forum members and a few
> leaving larger trash on the beach because they
> don't want to carry it out.

One of the better posts in this thread!!

The Diggers Show on National Geographics has turned me completely against both the TV Channel and the Garrett Metal Detector company.

I would not accept a free Garrett product and will not support them in any way.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Personally I liked the series TREASURE HUNTING
> AMERICA I would stay with that format.

Got it. So more serious/respectful vs. silly. Right now I'm trying to push our channel in that direction. The first videos we made were over the top to try and get a buzz going, which worked, but also po'd some people. For better or worse that (and the banana) is solidly on my shoulders. I don't think we'll be going that route in the future. But I don't regret the experiment in comedy - if you don't try you never fail.

If you had to peg what you want to one word --- "GENUINE"

Is that what you're saying?