White's caught ripping off consumers with MX Sport

It is what it is. White's has been caught ripping off consumers by not notifying the purchasers of the MX Sport of the operational and faceplate problems this machine has and has had since it's introduction.
While White's has promoted this machine on their website,Facebook and youtube they have not used those venues to alert consumers of the issues this machine has.
If you have purchased an MX Sport it is my opinion that you should immediately request a full refund including any shipping costs.

Also be aware that there are others involved in helping White's with the cover-up of the problems this machine has. You will find those individuals by visiting various metal detecting forums and seeing who is stopping threads and limiting discussion in ways that are not consistent in how they moderate other issues.

White's is also using various forums to side-step the issues this machine has by being selective in which comments they respond to and how they respond.

The priority should be in getting the money back into the consumer's hands that have purchased an MX Sport. If White's does not notify each consumer ,they may not be aware of the issues with this machine and this can create various problems in the future. Not only can it cause people to have unproductive hunts and downtime due to an inferior machine there is also the issue of these inferior machines being in the marketplace.

All consumers of this machine should be notified and offered a full refund.

I understand your frustration But there is a fine line between not being forthcoming and just plain old fashioned ripping people off, I too have let my views known, I am sure that in a Court of law this would be frowned upon,, I don't believe that Whites did this with intent to Defraud anyone and I think that the lack of info is more related to finding the faults "Soon", Management should just have "Stopped" Sales and fixed the problem and then started shipping again,

Handled Badly "YES" But I don't think Fraud is the Correct Term, The whole thing has been a cockup from the first Video's 5 months ago right up until Now, And don't think for a minute that I am saying it's ok for Whites to do this, Because TOM can Vouch I have seriously gotten stuck in to Whites about this right from the beginning, But The worse issues about this is the lack of information and Whites Not coming out and putting their hands up and saying "Ok Guys We Screwed Up" In my view that is Human and we all drop the Ball sometime, But it is what we do when we Drop it is the Thing that Matters Which is where your views of Fraud come in to play, It feels Like Fraud but it is not, It is Lack of Management Leadership and the lack of Balls, Me I would rather just say I £$%& Up and take the azz kicking and get on with the Job of putting things Right and To me hiding the truth is Lying in my View and I hate Liars, I don't give a Rats what someone does But never Lie to Me because I will blow my stack.

I Guarantee Peoples View of Whites would be more Supportive If Whites just Came Clean, But By keeping up this game of Hide and Seek will effect Whites Sales for at leased the next 5 Years, So they Can Forget about Markets Shares or Their position in the Market because It is Too Late Now, The Problems with the Machine is One thing but the BS is the thing that has Done the most Damage To Whites and most important Their Customers, People will NOT forget about this for at leased 3 to 5 years and even then it will become a topic around camp fires etc, and This year will be Whites worse year since they first set up the company,

Unless Whites release a Statement In the next couple of days then their sales are going to drop like a stone,

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 04:08PM by auminesweeper.

Good grief...this horse has been beat! We get it.

deadlift Wrote:
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> Good grief...this horse has been beat! We get it.

Yes it has but I think this needed to be put in to a more flexible tone of conversation.



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Kemper94 Wrote:
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>White's caught ripping off consumers with MX Sport

> It is what it is. White's has been caught ripping
> off consumers by not notifying the purchasers of
> the MX Sport of the operational and faceplate
> problems this machine has and has had since it's
> introduction.
> While White's has promoted this machine on their
> website,Facebook and youtube they have not used
> those venues to alert consumers of the issues this
> machine has.
> If you have purchased an MX Sport it is my opinion
> that you should immediately request a full refund
> including any shipping costs.
>
> Also be aware that there are others involved in
> helping White's with the cover-up of the problems
> this machine has. You will find those individuals
> by visiting various metal detecting forums and
> seeing who is stopping threads and limiting
> discussion in ways that are not consistent in how
> they moderate other issues.
>
> White's is also using various forums to side-step
> the issues this machine has by being selective in
> which comments they respond to and how they
> respond.
>
> The priority should be in getting the money back
> into the consumer's hands that have purchased an
> MX Sport. If White's does not notify each consumer
> ,they may not be aware of the issues with this
> machine and this can create various problems in
> the future. Not only can it cause people to have
> unproductive hunts and downtime due to an inferior
> machine there is also the issue of these inferior
> machines being in the marketplace.
>
> All consumers of this machine should be notified
> and offered a full refund.

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Beat that sucker some more, I mighta seen him twitch!!! -----Gotta get a little (sick) humor in here somehow on a very sad situation.-------Seriously though---there IS FAR WORSE things going on in this ole world right now, ya know!--------But yeah--certainly--this whole MXS situation needs to be taken care of quickly (and fairly) asap.-----Not only for Whites current MXS customers but certainly for the Companys sake also.-----You can rest assured there are future (would be) buyers of Whites products that are following this scenario VERY CLOSELY to see how it plays out.----How this whole thing is "handled" will weigh heavily in the purchase/not purchase of Whites products.

Gary... Do you even own a Whites machine? Last I knew you had a Garrett Ace 250, you sound like a troll.This is a Whites issue for Whites customers give it a break... maybe this is why you have been banned from half of the internet....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2016 07:01PM by GTer.

Let him in and sooner or later his reptile brain will kick in.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Who is gary and why is this turning personal ??

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Who is gary and why is this turning personal ??


Gary=Kemper.----I thought he has been behaving himself half way decently lately (as compared to times past anyway)

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> > Who is gary and why is this turning personal ??
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>
> Gary=Kemper.----I thought he has been behaving
> himself half way decently lately (as compared to
> times past anyway

Oh right.

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> > Who is gary and why is this turning personal ??
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> Gary=Kemper.----I thought he has been behaving
> himself half way decently lately (as compared to
> times past anyway) I was thinking the same but sometimes good things come to an end. Seems as he likes to post long winded threads whether they make any sense or not either for the sake of looking like he knows something that no one else does or to it makes him feel important to have a high post count.

SkiWhiz Wrote:
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> > auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > > Who is gary and why is this turning personal
> ??
> >
> >
> > Gary=Kemper.----I thought he has been behaving
> > himself half way decently lately (as compared
> to
> > times past anyway) I was thinking the same but
> sometimes good things come to an end. Seems as he
> likes to post long winded threads whether they
> make any sense or not either for the sake of
> looking like he knows something that no one else
> does or to it makes him feel important to have a
> high post count.

Well That is his choice, and effects no one but him, and no one has to read them, So no harm done.

Given that the statements are true, defamation would be a tough case to make. You may not like the OP, or how he said that, but we cannot be prosecuted for telling the truth. Yet. Washington is working on that. So far the only way around the truth without ever having to tell the truth is politics.

To prove such a thing, One would have to prove that it was intentional where this is more of a case of something backfiring on them, I don't believe they wanted to do such a thing but I do believe that they are hiding facts about the machine from would be customers and also many Stores are saying they still have them in stock which means they are selling them knowing that they are faulty,

If anyone knows who these companies are then Name and shame them on a new thread Right Here,

Again, I find myself sorry that I weakened and looked at the s**t stirring nonsensense our pal Gary posted.

I have learned my lesson (again).

Out

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Thanks to all that have been posting on topic. If you've been trolling and/or pot stirring don't feel bad as you may just have nothing to offer. You may be more of a taker than a giver. Plenty of room for everyone. Just don't waste your time.

[www.youtube.com]

Kemper94 Wrote:
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> Thanks to all that have been posting on topic. If
> you've been trolling and/or pot stirring don't
> feel bad as you may just have nothing to offer.
> You may be more of a taker than a giver. Plenty of
> room for everyone. Just don't waste your time.
>
> [www.youtube.com]


Gary, I have owned Whites machines throughout the years,(Bluebox, MXT, IDXPRO ,DFX, MXT PRO and a PI) they have been very well built, every company seems to have a model they have issues with, knowing Whites they will correct this roll out of this new detector. People today expect instant gratification and that is not how things happen, patience is a virtue that some here should learn.

You on the other hand have no reason to be involved other than to disrupt and create havoc. This is why you have been banned from every major metal detecting forum out there and why they don't want the likes of you on them.

GTer Wrote:
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> Kemper94 Wrote:
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> -----
> > Thanks to all that have been posting on topic.
> If
> > you've been trolling and/or pot stirring don't
> > feel bad as you may just have nothing to offer.
> > You may be more of a taker than a giver. Plenty
> of
> > room for everyone. Just don't waste your time.
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
>
>
> Gary, I have owned Whites machines throughout the
> years,(Bluebox, MXT, IDXPRO ,DFX, MXT PRO and a
> PI) they have been very well built, every company
> seems to have a model they have issues with,
> knowing Whites they will correct this roll out of
> this new detector. People today expect instant
> gratification and that is not how things happen,
> patience is a virtue that some here should learn.
>
>
> You on the other hand have no reason to be
> involved other than to disrupt and create havoc.
> This is why you have been banned from every major
> metal detecting forum out there and why they don't
> want the likes of you on them.


You have 7 posts and every one of them is an attack on me. Did you see my thread here on low key detecting while I was using an Ace 250. If you decide to post anything here besides attacks on a member you can show us some of your finds if you detect.

GTer Wrote:
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> Kemper94 Wrote:
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> -----
> > Thanks to all that have been posting on topic.
> If
> > you've been trolling and/or pot stirring don't
> > feel bad as you may just have nothing to offer.
> > You may be more of a taker than a giver. Plenty
> of
> > room for everyone. Just don't waste your time.
> >
> > [www.youtube.com]
>
>
> Gary, I have owned Whites machines throughout the
> years,(Bluebox, MXT, IDXPRO ,DFX, MXT PRO and a
> PI) they have been very well built, every company
> seems to have a model they have issues with,
> knowing Whites they will correct this roll out of
> this new detector. People today expect instant
> gratification and that is not how things happen,
> patience is a virtue that some here should learn.
>
>
> You on the other hand have no reason to be
> involved other than to disrupt and create havoc.
> This is why you have been banned from every major
> metal detecting forum out there and why they don't
> want the likes of you on them.

I have never found a Whites machine that wasn't Great, until now, But the machines I own I would never Trade and Whites Coils are about the best for uniformity and sensitivity, I would not consider using any other coils because I have tested many brands and If these can't do the job then I don't need any others.

John

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> GTer Wrote:
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> > Kemper94 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Thanks to all that have been posting on
> topic.
> > If
> > > you've been trolling and/or pot stirring
> don't
> > > feel bad as you may just have nothing to
> offer.
> > > You may be more of a taker than a giver.
> Plenty
> > of
> > > room for everyone. Just don't waste your
> time.
> > >
> > > [www.youtube.com]
> >
> >
> > Gary, I have owned Whites machines throughout
> the
> > years,(Bluebox, MXT, IDXPRO ,DFX, MXT PRO and a
> > PI) they have been very well built, every
> company
> > seems to have a model they have issues with,
> > knowing Whites they will correct this roll out
> of
> > this new detector. People today expect instant
> > gratification and that is not how things
> happen,
> > patience is a virtue that some here should
> learn.
> >
> >
> > You on the other hand have no reason to be
> > involved other than to disrupt and create
> havoc.
> > This is why you have been banned from every
> major
> > metal detecting forum out there and why they
> don't
> > want the likes of you on them.
>
> I have never found a Whites machine that wasn't
> Great, until now, But the machines I own I would
> never Trade and Whites Coils are about the best
> for uniformity and sensitivity, I would not
> consider using any other coils because I have
> tested many brands and If these can't do the job
> then I don't need any others.
>
> John


I agree, made one mistake years ago selling my MXT for another brand that was supposed to be the latest and greatest, I have a new MXT all PRO which I will never sell, as to Whites current crisis its too bad they let go or had people like Carl NC no longer in the company, I don't understand why they had to change something that worked and worked well. But its their decision I guess, what I would love to see is a new multi-frequency waterproof detector from them.

GTer Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > GTer Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > Kemper94 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Thanks to all that have been posting on
> > topic.
> > > If
> > > > you've been trolling and/or pot stirring
> > don't
> > > > feel bad as you may just have nothing to
> > offer.
> > > > You may be more of a taker than a giver.
> > Plenty
> > > of
> > > > room for everyone. Just don't waste your
> > time.
> > > >
> > > > [www.youtube.com]
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary, I have owned Whites machines throughout
> > the
> > > years,(Bluebox, MXT, IDXPRO ,DFX, MXT PRO and
> a
> > > PI) they have been very well built, every
> > company
> > > seems to have a model they have issues with,
> > > knowing Whites they will correct this roll
> out
> > of
> > > this new detector. People today expect
> instant
> > > gratification and that is not how things
> > happen,
> > > patience is a virtue that some here should
> > learn.
> > >
> > >
> > > You on the other hand have no reason to be
> > > involved other than to disrupt and create
> > havoc.
> > > This is why you have been banned from every
> > major
> > > metal detecting forum out there and why they
> > don't
> > > want the likes of you on them.
> >
> > I have never found a Whites machine that wasn't
> > Great, until now, But the machines I own I
> would
> > never Trade and Whites Coils are about the best
> > for uniformity and sensitivity, I would not
> > consider using any other coils because I have
> > tested many brands and If these can't do the
> job
> > then I don't need any others.
> >
> > John
>
>
> I agree, made one mistake years ago selling my MXT
> for another brand that was supposed to be the
> latest and greatest, I have a new MXT all PRO
> which I will never sell, as to Whites current
> crisis its too bad they let go or had people like
> Carl NC no longer in the company, I don't
> understand why they had to change something that
> worked and worked well. But its their decision I
> guess, what I would love to see is a new
> multi-frequency waterproof detector from them.

I bought another of Scales because I was testing my Whites coils and I need some that went down real low, Anyways It seems that the 5.3 coil is the Hottest Coil on the MXT All Pro out of all the Whites Coils and even hot Ground would not worry about it too much because of the Foot print it has,, All the others can see tiny bits but nothing like the 5.3, It will see Gold as small as you can pick up with your fingers and Smaller.

John

I am out $180.00 on resale and they didn't even offer me their new digger as a sorry gesture or credit. I bought some high end machines from them in my days and their new pin pointer too just a few weeks ago which I really like so far. I really want them to shrink the V3I into a water machine good to 10-15 ft depths. That to me would be one killer machine and they don't have to gamble on new electronics just use the V3I guts. That would be their CTX Or pretty darn close with a lot more features.
After the crap I went through with the MX Sport I would never buy one of those machines again even if everyone tells me how awesome it is. I also won't be a BETA Tester again by jumping on a new model but I thought it being Whites that it would be OK and really wanted a waterproof MXT to try out but we know it wasn't a MXT after all.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> I am out $180.00 on resale and they didn't even
> offer me their new digger as a sorry gesture or
> credit. I bought some high end machines from them
> in my days and their new pin pointer too just a
> few weeks ago which I really like so far. I really
> want them to shrink the V3I into a water machine
> good to 10-15 ft depths. That to me would be one
> killer machine and they don't have to gamble on
> new electronics just use the V3I guts. That would
> be their CTX Or pretty darn close with a lot more
> features.
> After the crap I went through with the MX Sport I
> would never buy one of those machines again even
> if everyone tells me how awesome it is. I also
> won't be a BETA Tester again by jumping on a new
> model but I thought it being Whites that it would
> be OK and really wanted a waterproof MXT to try
> out but we know it wasn't a MXT after all.

Sorry to hear of your woes, And you are right it is no MXT, A waterproof V3i would be good but has a bugga of a learning curve and when I go detecting I just want to Get at it So the MXT is the machine to have and I have dug some seriously deep coins and if I need to go deeper then I just add a bigger coil, I can hit coins over 12 inches with the 950 coil and I still have 2 coils to go So depth is not an issue and it can deal with the junk So the results are down to me Not Once have I ever come home with nothing, So to change the formula looking for the magic bullet would be stupid, I have never been out hunted, The claims about the MXS are just that "Claims" I can already find coins around 13/14 inches deep and I can find tiny specs of nuggets. There is no need for a more sensitive machine because the MXT finds ridiculously Tiny things So all a person needs to do is test it out and apply what they learn in to practice,

I hope things work out for you,

John



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I think the problem with the V3I is people play to much with the settings but you don't have to LOL. I don't have mine anymore because I bought a CTX for the water but I did alright with my V3I by just slightly adjusting a few settings. The V3I can be run to HOT and I think a lot of people do that and thats when they get into trouble thinking the detector is acting up.
I might pick up a used MXT All Pro some day I have to see what a real MXT is like everyone has me curious about it.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> I think the problem with the V3I is people play to
> much with the settings but you don't have to LOL.
> I don't have mine anymore because I bought a CTX
> for the water but I did alright with my V3I by
> just slightly adjusting a few settings. The V3I
> can be run to HOT and I think a lot of people do
> that and thats when they get into trouble thinking
> the detector is acting up.
> I might pick up a used MXT All Pro some day I have
> to see what a real MXT is like everyone has me
> curious about it.

The MXT has a better Tracking system than the V3i and it is more sensitive to Tiny things, and the Battery life using Duracells is about 57 to 66 hours So it is easy on the wallet and loves Gold, and it can see you bare hand at about 4 to 6 inches when you turn it up, So if you are going prospecting you will need a plastic scoop.

John.

If you guys are gonna post off topic-

GTer Wrote:
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> Gary... Do you even own a Whites machine? Last I
> knew you had a Garrett Ace 250, you sound like a
> troll.This is a Whites issue for Whites customers
> give it a break... maybe this is why you have been
> banned from half of the internet....

So as far as YOU are concerned, this does NOT effect people who want to buy the MXS then? - its just 'out of stock'

Where is the OFFICIAL STATEMENT from White's their Media Man promised? - Considering you appear to be handling their PR now please furnish us all, past, present & possibly future White's owners regarding THEIR PROBLEM & how they are to remedy it, as we have been lied to for far too long now. Any idea?

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Kemper94 Wrote:
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> If you guys are gonna post off topic-
>
Gary, there are a lot of things that can be said about Whites but Accusing them of Ripping people Off is not one of them, And I think you are pushing it a bit too far mate, I am all for pulling them up but you can't go around saying that sort of stuff, there is a limit,

misleading or conflicting info yes lack of fact, Yes and not being forth coming also But they have not ripped anyone off, Because they have offered to try and fix any issues and they have also offer Refunds, So, you need to pull ya head In a bit

And regardless of the Title of the thread people are not going to buy in to such a topic when they know the facts, So just let it Go.

John.