Ramblings on what the future holds for dirt depth

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> portable MRI is what you want ..but the power to
> run it would require a long drop cord..
>
>
>
> Keith

LOL, have you been testing out the latest batch of corn squeezing's again

that stuff will kill ya

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2016 04:07AM by auminesweeper.

Portable MRI

Drop cord???

Yeah,,,but what if could be developed where it could be run on less current/voltage,,,where small portable generator would suffice???

Some small generators can be had rather cheap.

And using a battery (bigger) not out of the question either.

Battery tech is a humming right along.

Could even see some rover units with the tech installed with video link for op to monitor.

Imagine go sit in a park,,and just sit back and watch,,,and when told,,,go dig.

Sound far fetched???

Don't think so.

We see hover boards and hover craft....

Maybe a hover detector.

The sky is the limit.

Juat think if gold prices doubled tomorrow and stayed that way for a year or 2.

Just think what the price of the next Minelab gold detector would be????

Think they would capitalize???
I do.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2016 04:23AM by tnsharpshooter.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Portable MRI
>
> Drop cord???
>
> Yeah,,,but what if could be developed where it
> could be run on less current/voltage,,,where small
> portable generator would suffice???
>
> Some small generators can be had rather cheap.
>
> And using a battery (bigger) not out of the
> question either.
>
> Battery tech is a humming right along.
>
> Could even see some rover units with the tech
> installed with video link for op to monitor.
>
> Imagine go sit in a park,,and just sit back and
> watch,,,and when told,,,go dig.
>
> Sound far fetched???
>
> Don't think so.
>
> We see hover boards and hover craft....
>
> Maybe a hover detector.
>
> The sky is the limit.
>
> Juat think if gold prices doubled tomorrow and
> stayed that way for a year or 2.
>
> Just think what the price of the next Minelab gold
> detector would be????
>
> Think they would capitalize???
> I do.

Make the top of the coil a Solar Panel as well as it having it's own battery that would boost battery life and keep it topped up while it was not in use too.

John.

Forgive me for going slightly off topic here but the MRI bit hit close to home.

MRI as a metal detector, other than the power requirements and the bulk of the thing, it sure would make locating and digging any target that is even the tiniest bit magnetic as easy as pie. How would that benefit us? Just point the bore toward the ground , fire it up and watch the show.

My last job as an engineer was designing cryostats for superconducting magnets. I dealt mainly with the vacuum/cryo chamber while a friend of mine was the magnet engineer. The diameter of the bore (size of the coil in our language) plays a huge part in the strength of the field. The bigger the bore and the more power you feed it the harder it pulls. I can't give you exact specs but I can tell you that a 21T magnet with a 30" bore will pull a medium size tool box full of tools off an aluminum step ladder from about 12 feet away. It will also suck a steel toed boot in from at least 6 feet with the wearer still attached. Also, if there are any loose nails lying around they will fly straight to the bore of the magnet. If you happen to be in their airspace as they head toward their destination you'll find out what it feels like to have a blunderbuss fired at you.Oh and the guy wearing the boot isn't going anywhere until the magnet is shut down.

If you could get that bad boy on site, point it at the still buried target then power it up it would simultaneously find, dig and collect any and all magnetic material in the area leaving a pristine, iron free environment for you to hunt.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2016 12:43PM by Neugene.

Could be a problem in the future though.

Metal detecting likely from an interest standpoint in numbers--- will tail off.

Imagine 10 more years even with just the FBS/FBS 2 units a chewing up the real estate.

Meaning coins discovered should start to tail off numbers wise.

In some areas,,,I really think too much is made of depth,,,meaning few if any coins exists at deeper depths.

And since clad has replaced silver,,,,I don't think future hunters say 20 years from now will be interested in digging clad.

Not to mention the fact we have moved(are moving) to an actual moneyless society.

Less money is being packed around (although clad).

And add to this restrictions likely to be had for public areas of higher human traffick.

I say the hobby will eventually dry up to far less folks with time.

And this will dramatically impact manufacturers with sales,,R&D, etc

Could I be wrong here??

Possibly,,but this is what my crystal ball is telling me currently.

And remember the younger genrations,,they don't seem to be the outdoors types vs older genrations,,,they had rather have their electronic gadgets and sit inside and play.

If I'm wrong here,,,one reason why maybe,,,a large part of the population in the USA does live close to the oceans/gulfs.

But beaches too may suffer restrictions.

Ole politics,,,one never knows

[www.noaanews.noaa.gov]

And just think,,,what if all the next adjacent coastal counties populations were added to the equation here,,,what percentage of total population then???

Where is that waterproof Racer 2 btw???



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2016 05:19AM by tnsharpshooter.

That's funny, I could do with one of those on my Iron infested sites,

That would also cure any DISC problems, every target would be non ferrous.

John.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Could be a problem in the future though.
>
> Metal detecting likely from an interest standpoint
> in numbers--- will tail off.
>
> Imagine 10 more years even with just the FBS/FBS 2
> units a chewing up the real estate.
>
> Meaning coins discovered should start to tail off
> numbers wise.
>
> In some areas,,,I really think too much is made of
> depth,,,meaning few if any coins exists at deeper
> depths.
>
> And since clad has replaced silver,,,,I don't
> think future hunters say 20 years from now will be
> interested in digging clad.
>
> Not to mention the fact we have moved(are moving)
> to an actual moneyless society.
>
> Less money is being packed around (although
> clad).
>
> And add to this restrictions likely to be had for
> public areas of higher human traffick.
>
> I say the hobby will eventually dry up to far less
> folks with time.
>
> And this will dramatically impact manufacturers
> with sales,,R&D, etc
>
> Could I be wrong here??
>
> Possibly,,but this is what my crystal ball is
> telling me currently.
>
> And remember the younger genrations,,they don't
> seem to be the outdoors types vs older
> genrations,,,they had rather have their electronic
> gadgets and sit inside and play.
>
> If I'm wrong here,,,one reason why maybe,,,a large
> part of the population in the USA does live close
> to the oceans/gulfs.
>
> But beaches too may suffer restrictions.
>
> Ole politics,,,one never knows
>
> [www.noaanews.noaa.gov]
> coastalpopulation.html
>
> And just think,,,what if all the next adjacent
> coastal counties populations were added to the
> equation here,,,what percentage of total
> population then???
>
> Where is that waterproof Racer 2 btw???

I will add for the beach hunters the number of people buying steel/tungsten rings...I find 20 for each gold ring.

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Nox600, CTX, CZ21, Excal II and White's DF with 920i stealthscoop...I live and hunt at the beach in Wilm NC

Deadlift - The fish sonar technology, aka side imaging and picture like downimaging (and 360° imaging) is actually declassified military technology. The fishing companies didn't design it; the engineers that design stuff for the military did. I can't help but wonder if they released this kind of technology for public use...what do they have now that is more advanced? Like you said...some of the images of things on the lake bottom is crazy clear....just like looking at Google Earth, except its under water and in real time. The only thing is, just like metal detectors, the readings can be skewed. If the water is turbulant with bubbles (like below a dam where they are generating water for electricity) or wakes from boat traffic....the images arent clear at all. The best readings are when it is dead calm and the water temp is cold...say in the 50s.

J&D- No discrimination on the GPZ as of yet. Strictly a prospecting unit thus far. It's new tech so there is room for improvement and there seems to be more hope for developing reliable discrimination for ZVT than for PI tech.

John- The notion that ZVT is no deeper than PI has been put too bed. The GPZ is deeper and extremely sensitive as well. Jonathon Porter, Steve H, Nenad Lonic and many others can't all be wrong. I have friends and hunting partners who have added to their nugget collections considerably with the GPZ just by going over old, worn out patches with it. IMO, it just seems to be the next logical step for new tech...to improve on the latest most powerful tech by introducing discrimination, etc.

Back in the day when there were lots of "sitting ducks" like the, Hand of Faith nugget, VLF was a viable, and the only tool, for electronic prospecting. Now- a- days there are no more "sitting ducks". If one wants to be successful at prospecting today one needs a PI unit. VLF still has it's place in shallow, less mineralized, trashy areas- or if a guy is in to "crumbing" for the tiny pieces in bed rock crevices (no thanks). If you want to get serious about consistently finding gold- PI or ZVT is where it's at. The SDC is an incredible machine. I've found over an ounce with mine in the last few months...but I get very tired of digging teeny tiny pieces of bird shot and the like. Lately, I have been using my GPX. Much less time wasted digging bird shot. My total nugget count is less but overall weight is up per hunt and yet I still dig some surprisingly small nuggets.

Dean

From the Man himself..

Great Read..

[www.minelab.com]

make no mistake about it..

There's no one better to design a machine to handle bad dirt than Bruce..

Minelab is one of.... if not the world leaders in tough soil..

they might be a world leader in iron contamination before we know it!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2016 08:32PM by Keith Southern.

Keith,

Only problem with your Mighty Bruce theory is that the bean counters at Codan (the parents of Minelab) would price a "wunderwaffen" like this at $3000. They will be correct in terms of their profit - fewer units at a higher price. Terrible for the hobby.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Rick,
I agree, not good for my wallet for sure. Do you think, though, that profit margin is also associated with the introduction of new tech and ideas? (Minelab seems to come up with most of the new ideas and patents) If a company is financially healthy then they can devote money to R&D and also competitive salaries to attract great minds and new ideas. Personally, I would rather pay a premium for a quality product or service than settle for second rate. If my dollar goes to funding new ideas and new tech I'm all in.

Dean

When a truly new tech detector from another source comes to market at $1000 - $1500 - it will make a real change - if and when that happens. My money is on next year.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Rick!!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

bado1 Wrote:
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> John- The notion that ZVT is no deeper than PI has
> been put too bed. The GPZ is deeper and extremely
> sensitive as well. Jonathon Porter, Steve H,
> Nenad Lonic and many others can't all be wrong. I
> have friends and hunting partners who have added
> to their nugget collections considerably with the
> GPZ just by going over old, worn out patches with
> it. IMO, it just seems to be the next logical
> step for new tech...to improve on the latest most
> powerful tech by introducing discrimination, etc.
>
>
> Back in the day when there were lots of "sitting
> ducks" like the, Hand of Faith nugget, VLF was a
> viable, and the only tool, for electronic
> prospecting. Now- a- days there are no more
> "sitting ducks". If one wants to be successful at
> prospecting today one needs a PI unit. VLF still
> has it's place in shallow, less mineralized,
> trashy areas- or if a guy is in to "crumbing" for
> the tiny pieces in bed rock crevices (no thanks).
> If you want to get serious about consistently
> finding gold- PI or ZVT is where it's at. The SDC
> is an incredible machine. I've found over an ounce
> with mine in the last few months...but I get very
> tired of digging teeny tiny pieces of bird shot
> and the like. Lately, I have been using my GPX.
> Much less time wasted digging bird shot. My total
> nugget count is less but overall weight is up per
> hunt and yet I still dig some surprisingly small
> nuggets.
>
> Dean

Yeah I seen a lot of good results with the GPZ, But on the depth side of things I have seen Videos show tests that show other PI's displaying equal depth and I saw one guy using a modded 4500 with a 10/11" coil getting more depth, So after seeing such video's it does put doubts in your mind,

As for VLF's in Hot ground some will work there, But many fail, The MXT works in OZ even in the Red Dirt and it will find Gold there too, But No VLF is going to hit those 18" to 24" nuggets in such Grounds not unless they are in the multi Ounce range, In most places they will find them but that red clay is a killer and even makes PI's Moan so those sort of places are not Ideal and they will have to be turned down to cope with the Ground Causing them to miss those deeper Nuggets.

Ya don't need PI type machines where the soil is only 12" deep or less, Although I have Two I try to stay away from them as much as possible mostly because of the Junk in the ground, But I have tested the MXT where the GND numbers have almost gone off the scale and it still worked seeing 0.02 gram nuggets.

What ever machines come out now will have to be able to handle hot ground, I have been talking to the Geology Department over here to find the hottest Ground in the country so I can start Testing there and then I will have a good reference point to begin with.

John.