request for open audio gate detector

Folks,
At one of the sites I have access to, there is a small triangle of ground bordered by the house, a sidewalk, and the driveway, about 20x40 on two of the sides, or so. It has layer after layer of co-mingled stuff. I have used my G2 on it, my F75 on it, and I found out rather recently that for a couple years before me, another fellow hit that area very hard (his words) with his garrett and whites something or others. Ozzie went over much of that triangle once as well.

I have spent hours on it with both stock and 5" coils with my detectors. It has given up coins as old as 1749. If I had access to a backhoe and large sifter....would be tempting.

I am in no way dis-satisfied with my F75, because it has made some incredibly deep finds for me in fields I hunt in, but I cannot shake the desire to see just what a site I have seriously hunted to death with Fisher technology (including FA process) responds with an open audio gate.

So my request is this...if anyone has an open audio gate type makro/nokta detector with 5" coil they would be willing to let me use for a couple weeks time (I am probably limited to my lunch breaks) I would love a P.M. I am willing to pay shipping both ways. I will also post all finds and trash dug.

Thanks

Rod

Rod-PA Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Folks,
> At one of the sites I have access to, there is a
> small triangle of ground bordered by the house, a
> sidewalk, and the driveway, about 20x40 on two of
> the sides, or so. It has layer after layer of
> co-mingled stuff. I have used my G2 on it, my F75
> on it, and I found out rather recently that for a
> couple years before me, another fellow hit that
> area very hard (his words) with his garrett and
> whites something or others. Ozzie went over much
> of that triangle once as well.
>
> I have spent hours on it with both stock and 5"
> coils with my detectors. It has given up coins as
> old as 1749. If I had access to a backhoe and
> large sifter....would be tempting.
>
> I am in no way dis-satisfied with my F75, because
> it has made some incredibly deep finds for me in
> fields I hunt in, but I cannot shake the desire to
> see just what a site I have seriously hunted to
> death with Fisher technology (including FA
> process) responds with an open audio gate.
>
> So my request is this...if anyone has an open
> audio gate type makro/nokta detector with 5" coil
> they would be willing to let me use for a couple
> weeks time (I am probably limited to my lunch
> breaks) I would love a P.M. I am willing to pay
> shipping both ways. I will also post all finds
> and trash dug.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rod

Sorry Rod, But being from the Southern Colonies something is getting lost in the translation, What is an Open Gate Audio. ?

John



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2016 12:09AM by auminesweeper.

Open gate audio...blendy-bleedy (Keith's description) which I like. Racer1, Racer2,Nokta Fors..... Sounds like two tones at one time....two very close targets. Where as an f75 as fast as it is, will only possibly sound off on one. An un-masker at its finest, to date.

ozzie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Open gate audio...blendy-bleedy (Keith's
> description) which I like. Racer1, Racer2,Nokta
> Fors..... Sounds like two tones at one time....two
> very close targets. Where as an f75 as fast as it
> is, will only possibly sound off on one. An
> un-masker at its finest, to date.

Arrrr right as in Mixed mode Audio, where it detects an Item beyond the depth of discrimination of the machine and gives an All Metal/Mixed Mode sound, Just Like the MXT and a lot of older Whites machines do.

Thanks Ozzie.

John.

I like your enthusiasm with the MXT. My gut tells me it's as good as you say it is....making me want to check one out.

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> ozzie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Open gate audio...blendy-bleedy (Keith's
> > description) which I like. Racer1, Racer2,Nokta
> > Fors..... Sounds like two tones at one
> time....two
> > very close targets. Where as an f75 as fast as
> it
> > is, will only possibly sound off on one. An
> > un-masker at its finest, to date.
>
> Arrrr right as in Mixed mode Audio, where it
> detects an Item beyond the depth of discrimination
> of the machine and gives an All Metal/Mixed Mode
> sound, Just Like the MXT and a lot of older Whites
> machines do.
>
> Thanks Ozzie.
>
> John.


Nope----Wrong again John!-----It's not just like the MXT and older Whites.------Where you been???-----Man, do a search & read some of Keiths posts & vids on it.-----That oughta do ya for starters!

Have you used your f75 with 5" and all metal?

The bleedy machines,,like Deus,,Nokta CoRe and Relic and Makro Racers.

They seem to reflect tone wise moreso what is under the coil ( when ferrous are colacted with nonferrous),, the way the tone times in on the nonferrous and the way it times out.

Deus IMO the bleediest of all. And this might be tied to Mr Danksowski's comments about Deus tech violates the law of physics a small amount.
Never used Gold max power,,,but I'll bet it is lot like Deus.

The term rolling has been applied here as well.

Same thing basically,,,these bleedy machines tones wise,,,NOT Beep and dig.

More real time reporting,,where tones actually keep up moreso with internal processing of targets both good and bad.

I have never used At Pro,,but some say it possesses a bit of this.

F75 when it gives tone,,,the tone must be allowed to expire time wise for additional reporting,,,,,so when say a nonferrous and ferrous targets are in closer proximity,,,this having to time out can allow a good target to basically go unnoticed or could make the tone on the nonferrous target if it does come in to be extremely short,,,maybe impossible to even hear.
Very possible F75 is actually processing faster than the audio shows to operator..

Something else here ends to be said,,,,a lot of this bleedy audio,,rolling audio is geared more to looking a nonferrous signals being hamstrung in amongst ferrous.

I have a sneaky suspicion,,,and maybe someone can compare,,,,but how about the tone transitions when trying to pick say a higher conductor out of lower conductor non ferrous???

Would like to see MXT and White's V3i wearing shooter 4x6 compared to Nokta relic and Makro Racer.

Cheers



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2016 01:26AM by tnsharpshooter.

D&P-OR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ozzie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Open gate audio...blendy-bleedy (Keith's
> > > description) which I like. Racer1,
> Racer2,Nokta
> > > Fors..... Sounds like two tones at one
> > time....two
> > > very close targets. Where as an f75 as fast
> as
> > it
> > > is, will only possibly sound off on one. An
> > > un-masker at its finest, to date.
> >
> > Arrrr right as in Mixed mode Audio, where it
> > detects an Item beyond the depth of
> discrimination
> > of the machine and gives an All Metal/Mixed
> Mode
> > sound, Just Like the MXT and a lot of older
> Whites
> > machines do.
> >
> > Thanks Ozzie.
> >
> > John.
>
>
> Nope----Wrong again John!-----It's not just like
> the MXT and older Whites.------Where you
> been???-----Man, do a search & read some of Keiths
> posts & vids on it.-----That oughta do ya for
> starters!

I thought that is what Keith meant where the two tones combine and make like a Mid Tone sort of like a blend between the two, I know my TDI does that if I switch off the GB, it is neither High or Low.

Thanks for that,

John.

detectingMO Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Have you used your f75 with 5" and all metal?

I have indeed used AM some. on the disc side I have used 1n a lot, but also low FE, and 3 tone. I usually use de. The last 3 trips I have used a different disc process each trip, FA, je, pf. disc is always at zero.

ozzie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I like your enthusiasm with the MXT. My gut tells
> me it's as good as you say it is....making me want
> to check one out.

I like the fact that it just gets on with the job, But most of is how I can use it just like you use a GPX via the threshold / Third Tone, where as most machines bleep on some coins at 12" by using the threshold you can pick it up at 19 to 21 inches and more when the EMI conditions are Low. and all the coils I have really make it very flexible.

John.

Blendy audio is where the tones calliope together ..Hence the Term Open Audio Gate..

On a gated unit once the unit commits to a tone it has to follow through for the report then stop and start again..the object can be a nail report or a dime report or anything int he world..but once its committed it has to report..then shut off then start again..even in a heavily littered site...like a nail and a dime in close proximity...it has the option of giving a combined snapshot report or a report of the nail and then the dime but not at the same time...So either you get a averaging report of the two targets that could be a iron report form co-located target averaging.. or you get a tone that flip flops from nail low tone to high dime tone..a burp beep report separated from each other......

On a Non gated audio unit which is BLENDY reporting and you have the same target of nail and Dime in close proximity that can start as a iron tone and become a high tone and then go back to iron tone in the same snapshot ..the tones will BLEND on top of each other..And by doing this allow for far more NOISE to the operator but also give INTELLIGENT audio clues to the operator if he listens...The open Gated Bendy Audio is not restricted to having to commit to a report it can change mid stream to something else...a very sonic way to hunt..way more telling than any Visual system...

A BLEEDY report is referring to the strength of the Disc filters...Some disc circuits can cancel a target and it will be perfectly quiet when passed over ..no sporadic audio from the disc'd item..Some can have a choppy report...The some cna have a very gravel sounding BLEED of the targets although there disc'd they still try to report although Intelligently HOPEFULLY..

SO combine a circuit that bleeds say a disc'd nail...by doing this it will also allow for a item like a button lying under it to have a fighting chance...to strong of a filter on the disc and the nulling of the nail will null the button too..BUt give it some BLEED through and you will have a better PEEK around the iron..

Take the Bleedy and the BLendy option and use them in unison in a circuit plus allow the dsoc to precisely break the tone and then we have a next level unmasking...

Couple that with higher freqs and tighter coils and we move even further..

But this option not only help in unmasking in nails but also help in Unmasking in MINERAL...a strong mineral that is allowed to BLEED can give up some goodies that is usually lost in the machine trying to quieten the mineral noise..instead hear some mineral noise and by doing this the MINERAL will be like a background DIN radiation and the little blips and such can break through..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Blendy audio is where the tones calliope together
> ..Hence the Term Open Audio Gate..
>
> On a gated unit once the unit commits to a tone
> it has to follow through for the report then stop
> and start again..the object can be a nail report
> or a dime report or anything int he world..but
> once its committed it has to report..then shut off
> then start again..even in a heavily littered
> site...like a nail and a dime in close
> proximity...it has the option of giving a combined
> snapshot report or a report of the nail and then
> the dime but not at the same time...So either you
> get a averaging report of the two targets that
> could be a iron report form co-located target
> averaging.. or you get a tone that flip flops from
> nail low tone to high dime tone..a burp beep
> report separated from each other......
>
> On a Non gated audio unit which is BLENDY
> reporting and you have the same target of nail
> and Dime in close proximity that can start as a
> iron tone and become a high tone and then go back
> to iron tone in the same snapshot ..the tones will
> BLEND on top of each other..And by doing this
> allow for far more NOISE to the operator but also
> give INTELLIGENT audio clues to the operator if he
> listens...The open Gated Bendy Audio is not
> restricted to having to commit to a report it can
> change mid stream to something else...a very sonic
> way to hunt..way more telling than any Visual
> system...
>
> A BLEEDY report is referring to the strength of
> the Disc filters...Some disc circuits can cancel a
> target and it will be perfectly quiet when passed
> over ..no sporadic audio from the disc'd
> item..Some can have a choppy report...The some cna
> have a very gravel sounding BLEED of the targets
> although there disc'd they still try to report
> although Intelligently HOPEFULLY..
>
> SO combine a circuit that bleeds say a disc'd
> nail...by doing this it will also allow for a item
> like a button lying under it to have a fighting
> chance...to strong of a filter on the disc and the
> nulling of the nail will null the button too..BUt
> give it some BLEED through and you will have a
> better PEEK around the iron..
>
> Take the Bleedy and the BLendy option and use them
> in unison in a circuit plus allow the dsoc to
> precisely break the tone and then we have a next
> level unmasking...
>
> Couple that with higher freqs and tighter coils
> and we move even further..
>
> But this option not only help in unmasking in
> nails but also help in Unmasking in MINERAL...a
> strong mineral that is allowed to BLEED can give
> up some goodies that is usually lost in the
> machine trying to quieten the mineral
> noise..instead hear some mineral noise and by
> doing this the MINERAL will be like a background
> DIN radiation and the little blips and such can
> break through..
>
> Keith

Thanks Keith,

I understand now, I have heard machines do that, and from another angle they can report both Items when the coil is swung at the right speed,

Thanks again,

John.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The bleedy machines,,like Deus,,Nokta CoRe and
> Relic and Makro Racers.

I think you can add the MX Sport to this list.

Wayne

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

[youtu.be]

My GM5 does well in this regard, and it gives screen ID for more than one item in a hole. When in 2 tone if i get a blended high/low tone with the screen showing iron and non ferrous then im digging, mostly it's the likes of buttons with a metal back etc but it's a neat feature.

I think Minelab needs to be playing around with bleedy audio.

Who knows maybe FBS 3 will do????

And I do wonder wonder if we had a hybrid detector utilization FBS and more typical Vlf all in one,,,even if a person could select which they would like to use depending on the detecting scenario/site.