What are the real strengths of the White's MX Sport?

We all know its issues. I've seen some nice finds on here. What do you folks like about it? Inquiring minds want to know.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> We all know its issues. I've seen some nice finds
> on here. What do you folks like about it?
> Inquiring minds want to know.

Like most of Whites machines it is going to be really good in hot ground and in junk filled sites, it has pretty good separation, and those HUGE VDI numbers are great for ole Farts that have dodgy eyesight, and it can unmask targets well and has good depth,

What more does a person need ? apart from a large Gold Nugget

John.

I like "huge" VDI numbers. My vision isn't what it used to be.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> I like "huge" VDI numbers. My vision isn't what it
> used to be.

Same here, I don't have a Birth Date certificate, I got a Radio Carbon Date

John.



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"I liked the very easy Notchng abilities and the Reject Volume set @ 20%.
Also liked its pricing.
Liked its packaging.
Liked the 'square ear piece' supplied headphone.

Didn't like the design of the standard coil.
Didn't like the sqawqy audio."

I like everything but the audio, tried a few deferent headsets still does not sound good like a MXT. But not to bad without phones. I also like the net Detech 7" coil, I think it will stay on my MX Sport!

I like it because it can handle bad soil in disc mode, and can ID pretty accurately. Most of the time if a machine can still detect something in disc mode in my ground, the ID will still be skewed. In the case of the MXS, the ID remains pretty accurate. I think this is why I dug so many coins with it; on other detectors, they might have beeped on the coins in the ground, but IDed them down into the foil or tab range...where as the Sport was able to say "that's a coin" and cause me to dig. It is not a perfect detector but it does have its strengths. Everyone that has given them a chance and hunted with them, has said the same basic thing about the ability to lock on coins. It isn't too shabby on relics either. I got mine at the tail end of relic season so I've not ran it through the ringer yet.

Sensitive, deep, multi-tone all metal, accurate ID.

DON'T use relic mode. The disc/AM audio battle is a mess. AM and Disc individually are great. Warning, despite the design improvement still a boat anchor.

Agree with whats been said, it's deep and generally good targets lock on well. If the 13" ultimate compares to the stock coil the way it does on the mxt and stock D2 coil, it will be a game changer for the machine.

I've mainly used mine in the water. I feel it does a good job communicating the size of ferrous targets; this has become paramount to me in a water unit. While the bulk and solid feel are noticeable in hand, I think perhaps this was done with water hunting in mind. Though the stock coil could be better in water. When using its main competitor the at series, I find myself putting my hand on the control unit to brace it when I encounter current. You can feel the bulbous housing creating drag and with all the strain on 2 screws that go maybe a 1/4" in the unit feels like its going to fall apart. The Mx is much stouter and has less drag.

The Mx sport has its issues, but the platform has alot of potential.



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In my relatively brief experience, it is highly EMI resistant. There's a location in the camp I hunt that just kills Nok/Macs and FTP products.Same for Deus and AT Pro. The MX Sport is quiet as a mouse there. I have a relic site that is several acres enclosed in electric fence. That will be a real test. Thumbs crossed on that one.

Other pluses: Lots of programs/modes. Have heard it is excellent at the salt beach but I have not tried it there. I like the grip better than both the Racer and Relic. Plenty of length to wrap my whole hand around it with room to move up or down for balance/feel.
Yes, a hefty feel, but with the 5.5x10 DD coil, balance is very good.

One noticeable minus: most likely to tip over when set down rather than remain on its puny stand. I just gently lay it on its side to begin with, rather than have it fall over on its own and perhaps cause damage. I'm thinking about adding an outrigger that extends an inch or two on both sides to stabilize it. Suggest that Whites provide a thin "L" shaped cross section rubber or plastic bumper that fits around the edge of the faceplate to protect the sides of it from contacting rocks when it tips over. Or redesign the stand so that it actually works to keep the detector upright.

Wayne

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2016 03:34PM by ncwayne.

I told myself I wouldn't post here again, but you guys.... You have made my day with this thread.

Thank you. From everyone at White's.

I think you will like what we have planned in the next few months.

I think that the new 7"inch Coil is one of the best I have seen in many years, It looks so robust and with just one look it you can tell it means business, I started using Detech Coils back about 12 years ago on other machines and I think we are going to see some good things happen with Whites and Detech working together if this new Coil is anything to Go By, I hope they make it for other Whites Models.

Kudos to them Both.

John.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I like it because it can handle bad soil in disc
> mode, and can ID pretty accurately. Most of the
> time if a machine can still detect something in
> disc mode in my ground, the ID will still be
> skewed. In the case of the MXS, the ID remains
> pretty accurate. I think this is why I dug so
> many coins with it; on other detectors, they might
> have beeped on the coins in the ground, but IDed
> them down into the foil or tab range...where as
> the Sport was able to say "that's a coin" and
> cause me to dig. It is not a perfect detector but
> it does have its strengths. Everyone that has
> given them a chance and hunted with them, has said
> the same basic thing about the ability to lock on
> coins. It isn't too shabby on relics either. I
> got mine at the tail end of relic season so I've
> not ran it through the ringer yet.


Thank you Daniel. Great report.

tboykin Wrote:
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> I told myself I wouldn't post here again, but you
> guys.... You have made my day with this thread.
>
> Thank you. From everyone at White's.
>
> I think you will like what we have planned in the
> next few months.

Is that plan for the MXS?

MX Sport is one of my favorite Detectors, like the all metal Prospecting mode and Relic mode.

SAT mode is great, with SAT one can adjust recovery speed based from ground connections. Overall it's a nice Detector with lot's of features for it's low price range.

Didn't like the end rolling over, so I made a neat rear Detector stand and auctally appears to look like a stock setup. This eliminated the detector from rolling over, I'm sure White's will address this on future models.

Sure, has its weak areas but so do other brand's, it's strengths far out weigh it's short comings.

I really enjoy using my MX Sport, especially with both the elliptical or 7" " Detech coil.

Paul

Apolonio (CA) Wrote:
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> MX Sport is one of my favorite Detectors, like the
> all metal Prospecting mode and Relic mode.
>
> SAT mode is great, with SAT one can adjust
> recovery speed based from ground connections.
> Overall it's a nice Detector with lot's of
> features for it's low price range.
>
> Didn't like the end rolling over, so I made a neat
> rear Detector stand and auctally appears to look
> like a stock setup. This eliminated the detector
> from rolling over, I'm sure White's will address
> this on future models.
>
> Sure, has its weak areas but so do other brand's,
> it's strengths far out weigh it's short comings.
>
> I really enjoy using my MX Sport, especially with
> both the elliptical or 7" " Detech coil.
>
> Paul
>
> [i67.tinypic.com]

G'day Paul

Tell us more about that 7" Coil mate, handsome beast ain't it

John.

Hello John,

My impressions with the 7" Detech is still so so, I like the small size for fresh water and for its size and gets great depth. However, I'm not seeing sensitivity with smaller nugget size signals as one would expect with a smaller coil.


Need to run more test, auctal field usage is were I'll determine if it'll be a good nugget coil. Reason why I mention this is because my AT Gold with smaller elliptical DD is more sensitivite on nugget's, So I'll need to run more field comparisons hopefully my first impressions with the 7" Detech on gold nugget's fare better on future outings.

Thanks for asking John,
Paul



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Apolonio (CA) Wrote:
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> Hello John,
>
> My impressions with the 7" Detech is still so
> so, I like the small size for fresh water and for
> its size and gets great depth. However, I'm not
> seeing sensitivity with smaller nugget size
> signals as one would expect with a smaller coil.
>
>
> Need to run more test, auctal field usage is were
> I'll determine if it'll be a good nugget coil.
> Reason why I mention this is because my AT Gold
> with smaller elliptical DD is more sensitivite on
> nugget's, So I'll need to run more field
> comparisons hopefully my first impressions with
> the 7" Detech on gold nugget's fare better on
> future outings.
>
> Thanks for asking John,
> Paul

Being a DD, it won't be as hot because you need to be maxing the Gain out, This is another reason I like machines that can run Concentric Coils. DD's are always noisier and suffer from EMI more and on the beach the 950 coil would be the better option and a lot deeper too, Except when you compare the Whites 10" DD and the E Series 950 coil because the both Air test equally as good as each other but the 950 is a lot hotter on Tiny Items and runs smoother.

Because the MXS is a Hot one you are going to have to get use to running it with a bit of Chatter in the back ground but if you want more depth you are going to have to give the 950 coil a try.

Hope this helps,

John.

The depth all depends on the soil mineralization, and the soil dictates which coil type and size will be best. Jeff Foster's books illustrate this the best I've seen with Whites machines and coils. You can see in his charts/test results where the transition takes place and how big of a difference it makes (reference: The MXT Edge book). Paul hunts in soil similar to mine here with high mineralization. DD coils are the only way to go in it. On the MXT Pro, the 6x8 DD goes several inches deeper in the ground than the 950 concentric. In air tests or non mineralized soil, the opposite is true. I'm sure it's the same on the MXSPORT with the 7" DD vs the 950 concentric.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> The depth all depends on the soil mineralization,
> and the soil dictates which coil type and size
> will be best. Jeff Foster's books illustrate this
> the best I've seen with Whites machines and coils.
> You can see in his charts/test results where the
> transition takes place and how big of a difference
> it makes (reference: The MXT Edge book). Paul
> hunts in soil similar to mine here with high
> mineralization. DD coils are the only way to go in
> it. On the MXT Pro, the 6x8 DD goes several inches
> deeper in the ground than the 950 concentric. In
> air tests or non mineralized soil, the opposite is
> true. I'm sure it's the same on the MXSPORT with
> the 7" DD vs the 950 concentric.

That's right, I know your ground is a bit hot there where you are but how are the mineral reading near the water where you tried it ? did the go up or down,

thanks mate,

John.

I'm not sure how the MXT gauges ground mineral; whether it just gives the ground offset # or if it also gauges the iron content of the soil like the Fisher/Teknetics machines. In Prospecting mode, the ground phase number is 53 at my house, which I now consider to be mild in mineral. The reading at my bullet place was up just a little in the ground phase range @ 58 But....something I have noticed around here, is that say for example, the F75. The GB # from site to site only varies to a small degree around here on it and the other Fisher machines. What changes significantly is the iron mineralization reading. At my house, it is 2 and 3 bars. At the bullet test site I hunt, it is at 4 bars, and sometimes 5.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I'm not sure how the MXT gauges ground mineral;
> whether it just gives the ground offset # or if it
> also gauges the iron content of the soil like the
> Fisher/Teknetics machines. In Prospecting mode,
> the ground phase number is 53 at my house, which I
> now consider to be mild in mineral. The reading
> at my bullet place was up just a little in the
> ground phase range @ 58 But....something I have
> noticed around here, is that say for example, the
> F75. The GB # from site to site only varies to a
> small degree around here on it and the other
> Fisher machines. What changes significantly is the
> iron mineralization reading. At my house, it is 2
> and 3 bars. At the bullet test site I hunt, it is
> at 4 bars, and sometimes 5.

Daniel, If your Ground Phase reading is only 53 to 58 then I would not be using a DD, , My Grounds are between 57 to 67 +/- and I use the 12" Concentric, and if the F-75 is give mid readings too then I would not be using DD either, If it was up around 75 then I will change to a DD,

But for some reason you are getting good depth with the DD, that's a weird one to me,

John.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Daniel Tn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not sure how the MXT gauges ground mineral;
> > whether it just gives the ground offset # or if
> it
> > also gauges the iron content of the soil like
> the
> > Fisher/Teknetics machines. In Prospecting
> mode,
> > the ground phase number is 53 at my house, which
> I
> > now consider to be mild in mineral. The
> reading
> > at my bullet place was up just a little in the
> > ground phase range @ 58 But....something I have
> > noticed around here, is that say for example,
> the
> > F75. The GB # from site to site only varies to
> a
> > small degree around here on it and the other
> > Fisher machines. What changes significantly is
> the
> > iron mineralization reading. At my house, it is
> 2
> > and 3 bars. At the bullet test site I hunt, it
> is
> > at 4 bars, and sometimes 5.
>
> Daniel, If your Ground Phase reading is only 53 to
> 58 then I would not be using a DD, , My Grounds
> are between 57 to 67 +/- and I use the 12"
> Concentric, and if the F-75 is give mid readings
> too then I would not be using DD either, If it was
> up around 75 then I will change to a DD,
>
> But for some reason you are getting good depth
> with the DD, that's a weird one to me,
>
> John.

Daniel's ground phase readings similar to my area.

But mineral meters,,,on Deus,,Makro Racers, do reflect quite a bit of mineral.

I have not used a concentric coil but for a short bit,,,a .White's coil,,,but back then I was more ignorant to the fact of how DD coils punched mineral better vs concentrics

And saying the above,,,the mineral does affect some of my detectors morsel than others.

MX sport seemed to be a good puncher of mineral,,,Deus as well.
F75 not so good,,Racer and Nokta Core not as good either. (All wearing stock dd coils)

Etrac,, explorer XS and CTX punch down well also.



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I think that is why Johnson added the Fe meter to the T2/F75 machines, to get a further reading on the iron content of the mineral in the soil. The ground phase # doesn't show the whole picture. That is why the Fisher machines give a ground phase readout # AND a Fe meter reading. Jeff Fosters method of doing things, involves getting a depth reading via pinpoint mode then referring to a chart. His chart uses the results from that test to determine what coils might be best. I can only assume that the pinpoint method is gauging the signal strength of the minerals in the ground for a more accurate method.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I think that is why Johnson added the Fe meter to
> the T2/F75 machines, to get a further reading on
> the iron content of the mineral in the soil. The
> ground phase # doesn't show the whole picture.
> That is why the Fisher machines give a ground
> phase readout # AND a Fe meter reading. Jeff
> Fosters method of doing things, involves getting a
> depth reading via pinpoint mode then referring to
> a chart. His chart uses the results from that test
> to determine what coils might be best. I can only
> assume that the pinpoint method is gauging the
> signal strength of the minerals in the ground for
> a more accurate method.

Actually the Ground Phase on the MXT and other Whites machine does both,

Numbers above 50 tell you that the ground has Iron mineralization and the higher the number the higher the percentage and the worse the conditions are and numbers below 50 tell you that the ground is Alkali based and the lower they are the worse the ground conditions are again,

A lot of people think the higher the number the worse the ground is, but that is only part of the story, Where as the GMT has the same ground phase meter but it also measures the percentage of the minerals whether they are Alkali or Iron based, But the Fe meter on the F-75 measures Iron only.

Knowing what the numbers mean on MXT type machines can tell you exactly what is going on under the Coil So the FE meter is not required, where as the GMT does exactly the same thing but the meter on the right hand side of the screen gives you a numeric readout of what the Ground Phase meter is seeing, Which is not really needed if you understand what the meter on the left hand side is saying. But what it does do is allow you to take fine readings as actual numbers for those who want a more precise resolution, But both the MXT and the GMT will allow you to follow the Black Sand so you know where to set up your dry washer. The Right hand meter on the GMT shows you the percentage no matter whether they are Iron based or Alkali based and it is the Ground Phase meter on the Left that tells you whether the minerals are Iron or Alkali Based.

So many people think that the GND meter is a Ground Phase meter that shows you where the Ground balance is Set meaning that the higher it is the worse it is, Not realizing that the Lower it is can also mean the worse it is, If the numbers are Low that is Alkali Based which means High in SALT from natural Geology or caused by fertilizers or Cow Urine etc and if it is High then that means it is High in Iron Oxides caused by Natural Geology or by human habitation,

Farm Land can be both High in Iron and Alkali, which can cause all sorts of issues, Iron from natural Geology or metal workings by Man with the Addition of Alkali's from fertilizers or by Cattle, So then what you end up with is rapidly changing Ground Conditions and a need to keep ground balancing or if your machine has Auto Tracking / Auto ground Balance.

Such places are far more common than you think, So if you have a machine Like the MXT or any other Whites machine then it would pay to keep your GB updated and make a mental note of those numbers throughout your Hunt, Also by doing that those number also have many other uses.

Hope this helps.

John.



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Hope ya get them out before x-mas my money is burning a hole in my pocket. shortribs