Racer 1 log

Got a borrowed original Racer with 2 coils from Tom D. to try out in my very difficult soil.
Short couple hour hunt yesterday, a few observations and impressions.
I will add to this thread as I advance along the learning curve.


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Took it out a little yesterday, I will start writing up my experiences in even more detail soon enough but here are a few quick initial observations from my first hunt...

First target I dug was a little bouncy in the 50's but it was an old head stamp and not common trash so this bodes well.

Balance seemed pretty good with the small coil, could use a little more weight down at the bottom but I got used to it easily...I assume the bigger coil might feel a bit better.
One guy said the S angle of the top rod was a bit off for him and I noticed a slight difference between that and my Fisher but again no big deal...I can get used to most anything over time.
I could reach the buttons and trigger and manipulate them without problems so comfort is not an issue.

Ground balance was done several times as I moved around a close to me park searching areas I have hit a bazillion times in the past... numbers were usually between 71 and 81 with that magnetic circle thingy showing 3/4's full most of the time at the least.
Did not attempt manual balance, that might work pretty good in some spots around here.
Did not try auto tracking at all either, not sure it could handle my dirt and all the changes very well but we will try that out later and see.

This thing is fun...tones are pretty good, I split my time between all metal and two tone using the small sniper coil.
I blasted the settings up there to max most of the time on all metal, not necessary at all but that is how I learned to hunt successfully in this devil dirt so what the heck.
Stayed fairly quiet most of the time too, some jumping, popping and noise but easily dealt with.
Tom thinks that on a gain setting from 98-99 there might be a little boost involved and it can get extra noisy.
98 or 99 seemed the same to me and a few times I turned it down a little from there also.
Thresh...99 but bumped it down to mid 90's for awhile on my travels.
Again this was just my first foray into this so many different adjustments will be experimented with in time.

This thing overloaded a lot on shallow targets especially, even small things like beaver tails.
This could be an effect from my pumped up settings so I will experiment with that and I learned to raise the coil higher over many of these and get a pretty accurate ID without that video game overload signal.
When locking on to many targets I got a short ding similar when it is done ground balancing but louder.
That is pretty neat, I will see how accurate this feature is and see if it can be trusted and used to my advantage somehow.

On two tone the gain was moved up between 71 at a noisy spot but mostly up into the 90's most places...still seemed pretty quiet to me.
ID filter was at 0 for a bit, 1 a lot, 10 to start out for the first hour and even up to 50 once looking for higher tone objects in a sea of trash and iron.
It all worked, behavior seemed similar to the F70 with jumping around over iron and trash but I was able to lock in on several targets and make some pretty accurate ID guesses about them just as I can with the F70.
Mostly trash, can slaw, biggest pieces of cans in the 80's, tabs.
I did stop over a bit bouncy target using all metal, switched back to two tone and it was the same, it was a target in the mid 50's and I was trying to avoid most of the trash at that point but something about this signal made me dig it...more solid ends on the signal or something.
It was a bit different to my ear in someway so I went after it and came up with a 1974 nickel that was about 2-3" deep so it was there for awhile and I smiled.
The language might not be so hard to learn, my Fisher instincts might transfer over nicely.

Nothing I dug was super deep, not sure if I am penetrating all that much deeper using this one than my Fisher so far but still many settings to mess with and miles to go before I sleep.

One signal was in the low 80's and bent over and dug my first and only flat rusty bottle cap of the day.
I checked the area again and got the same signal but very solid about 6" north and decided to dig that one too.
Not a bottle cap this time but a great older Yale padlock at about 3-4"...that was cool!
Hard to believe I missed this one in the past but pretty sure I did.

Dug a couple of hot rocks, coal clinkers I believe, came in at the mid 90's just as the manual says they are supposed to do.

Came across on pretty large diameter piece of bent up copper.
Looks too big to be a normal ground wire but it was used for something.
This showed a depth of 10" but it was only about 4" so not sure what's up with that...I only hit the end of it, most was buried further in the sidewall of my hole down deeper.
Could have been something else down deeper but I forgot to check, I was just happy to find a nice chunk of copper to add to my salvage pile.

A few targets were fairly small and that is great, maybe this thing can pick up the more difficult items I might come across like chains...hope so.

I couldn't get it to pinpoint at anything less than 5" which was a drag, this went on most of the hunt but when I pinpointed a deep piece of iron and numbers from 25-27 showed up on the screen I finally realized I was in European centimeters instead of US inches...Duhhhhh!
I always insist I am good looking...never admitted to being the sharpest crayon in the box.

I was told it worked similarly to the F70 in behavior which it seemed to do all through the hunt.
Really jumpy from the 80's down into lower regions over decent sized iron, repeating numbers from one direction sometimes but changed completely from another which also indicated iron.
Too hard to dig them and see...another time after the drought ends around here.
Pretty jumpy over most trash types like small can slaw and beaver tail tabs, locked on pretty good and solid on some of the shallowest ones with correct numbers...all behavior I know well.
On the way back home I walked over the front lawn of a few permission homes I have scoured in the past and in one I haven't done much at all yet I scored a couple of zinc cents, (82 here), a copper cent or two and a quarter all not really deep at about 3".
All were surprisingly solid and locked on with numbers that might have only jumped one number or so...if that.
That quarter was at 87-88...I believe it was supposed to be higher into the low 90's usually but I rarely believe anything around here, the way targets sound and behave are my indicators I go by not the actual numbers.

I dug one tail off a beaver tail tab that was pretty deep in an area I could actually dig down a bit further...it was maybe at the 5-6" level and it was in the lower to mid 80's.
I was told this thing also up averages everything around iron and this is the exact same behavior I see on the Fisher on targets at 5"+ so that is a great thing.
This is how I find hidden and masked good targets at deeper levels, I use this up averaging behavior to my advantage.

As far as the ID system this thing is way more compressed at the top end than my F70.
Not sure I am thrilled with that, not easy to change over from the different and more spread out Fisher range but I will get used to it.
All those pop tops, zinc cents and other things coming in at the low to mid 80's that are shallow but not quarters...that is just a little strange to me so far.
Copper cents, dimes and quarters are so close to each other on this one, I have read that others didn't like so many signals coming in at the high 80's or low 90's so much using this and I can see what they mean.
That's ok...Again I will deal with it.

All in all a good first start.
A fun short initial hunt, lots to learn still but I felt pretty comfortable using it and understanding it from the get go.
Much more to learn and more coming.

I have pics to add of the good stuff and the trash I dug but Photobucket has been down all day.
If they ever come back I will throw them up here.


Here are those pics on another site.
[m.imgur.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2016 08:19PM by diggwr27.

Good to see you are posting this around various forums. Good info to be had!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2016 04:20PM by SeabeeRon.

SeabeeRon Wrote:
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> Could to see you are posting this around various
> forums. Good info to be had!!

Thanks.
Wait...not really good with it yet.
Things might improve and get better....maybe get great if I can figure out a few things.

Nice report.

One comment.

Targets in and around iron,,,, I.d can be dragged down.

Targets in more open scenario,,,and deeper and or higher mineral can up average.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Nice report.
>
> One comment.
>
> Targets in and around iron,,,, I.d can be dragged
> down.
>
> Targets in more open scenario,,,and deeper and or
> higher mineral can up average.

Thanks...I will have plenty of opportunities to find out because there is so much iron around here from small to huge...plus that mineralized soil.
That beaver tail tail seemed to be alone by itself in this soil so it did up average.
I will watch for target behavior in targets recovered in holes where I also pull out rusted nails and other iron...very common around here but I have managed to find great non ferrous targets in that scenario using my Fisher.
Again the actual numbers don't matter to me here all that much because everything get skewed deeper but even shallow targets can be surprisingly messed up.
The sounds and target behavior matter more, the numbers too but it's how they behave more than where they actually are in their ranges so I learned not to trust them so much.
Learning this enabled me to pull out some great treasure in sites given up on long ago by hunters that I assume believed their machines were giving them normal, logical data.
It would be nice if it all worked normally like that as it did when I hunted in Kansas soil, here it is paramount that a different language needs to be learned but that language is there, noticeable and learnable with close observation.
That will be my main job...learn that hidden language especially at deeper depths in my mineralized trash and iron infested sites.
If I can do it depth levels I can reach with the correct settings could be surprising...I hope.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2016 11:07AM by diggwr27.

diggwr....... your methodology/approach/tactic is exacting. Also....... I speculate the Racer may not handle the mineralization very well....... or any different from other electronic architect/platform(s)..... yet, still may open some doors via other methods. This is the 'why'...... it is in your hands now.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> diggwr....... your methodology/approach/tactic is
> exacting. Also....... I speculate the Racer may
> not handle the mineralization very well....... or
> any different from other electronic
> architect/platform(s)..... yet, still may open
> some doors via other methods. This is the
> 'why'...... it is in your hands now.


Appreciate that, Tom.
It seems to be working pretty darn good on shallow targets, more stable less jumping than I am used to so good.
I noticed today the disc goes way up there, a nice cherry picking unit if I can do that and still get deep enough to hit the good stuff.
Still puttering around a few well hunted sites but picking a few coins never the less.
A short hunt today but picked up a dime, 5 cents both copper and zinc mixed and a 100 lira coin from a foreign land.
That's 6 cents American.

Many bottle caps, crushed screw on caps and full zincolns all come in at 82-83, that's a little maddening, but the trash does a little more jumping most of the time..
The dime came in low at the mid to upper 80's, the lira coin was a 72 but sounded good and sharp so I dug it.

If there is a way to get deeper in this devil dirt and find the older stuff I will figure it out in time.

Short second hunt....a bit more info.
Changed over to US measurements...much better!

Picked up a few more clad coins fairly easily, found my first ever 100 Lira coin that came in at 72 which is cool, except for Mexican I rarely find foreign coins here and not many of those either.
Nice and solid so I dug it...that is 6 cents I didn't have to dig.

Crushed screw on tops, pop tops, some sizes of can slaw and zincolns all seem to come in at those 82-83 numbers and also pretty darn stable and solid from more than one direction.
Don't like that much...too close to each other, hard to tell the difference so far.
However I did bump up the disc to avoid them near the end of the hunt and I was pleasantly surprised this thing seems to go up all the way.
Found a copper cent easily in a bunch of trash when I turned the disc up to 84.
Seems to delineate these conductivity numbers pretty well....turn it up to 83 and not much crossover...83's are out which is nice.
This is a cherry pickers dream machine, but not sure if depth loss is a big deal if you go high as yet.
For shallow high tone coins and jewelry this should be great and I am going to try that out in a few minutes.
I know a grassy area or two that I have found clad but no silver rings and I believe there should be at least one or two in each section.
I have found silver religious medals and a few other silver objects plus coins since I returned to Bama but not one silver ring so far.
That is weird...in Kansas I was finding them everywhere all the time but I hunted way more different parks there than I have here so far...way more.
Maybe this thing can help me find one today so wish me luck.



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The 80s ID on the red Racer was one of the bigger reasons why I didn't like it as a coin hunter. The low 80s seem to be a "catch all" ID range for it. I was able to compare it to some of the FBS machines I had, and over the same targets that the Racer would lump into the 80s, the FBS machines could tell you more target info via icon location, numbers, and tones. In short, you knew you were over junk targets with them and was easy to leave them in the ground instead of digging them up. Most of the people that I know that like the Racer, also like the Deus, or had background experience with the Deus. And most people that are successful with the Deus, know that the best thing to do with the remote, is to just change settings and or GB, and then put it in your pocket and forget about the IDs. I think that carried over for them with the Racer; perhaps the best thing to do is use the menu to set it up, GB it, and then ignore the screen and go by audio....basically if it beeps, dig it. This would drive a cherry picker nuts and would be a disaster in a park or still standing homesite where you have to really be selective on signals you dig.

Thanks for the insights.
Going by audio is ok, I have my Tesoros and I love the audio on the Fishers but digging it all...I gave up on that long ago and just won't do it anymore.
There might be a way to figure out an 82 zincoln from an 82 piece of can slaw, the top of a can and many of the pop tops I come across out there.
Some trash in that range jumps around so that is good but many of them act stable as all heck and sound all the same to me...so far.

Today's hunt was actually fantastic besides all that.
I decided to cherry pick the high tones and hunted sites I have been over many times with numerous machines and coils.
I turned the disc up to 84 to avoid most of that other junk that comes in at 82-83 and left it in two tone most of the time.
I was actually amazed!
I was digging the solid non jumping signals mostly, the ones that jumped no more than two numbers anyway, but most of the good stuff came in on a solid single number only.
This is different than my Fisher...everything jumps around here a little, even the shallow stuff.
This thing zeroed in and locked on to most of the coins like a laser.
Most were between 1-3", a couple might have been at 4" but man, this was fun and different for me.
A couple of eaten up zincolns were the exception when I did lower the disc down a bit in areas where I have found Indian heads but everything from copper cents to dimes to a mind blowing amount of quarters I missed in the past were more dead on solid and stable.
Some pieces of copper tubing and other scrap copper too...this thing seems to love to find copper.
Dimes were usually an 85, copper cents were usually an 85 also, quarters ranged from 85-88 but all sounded crisp.
Hunting this way I could cover up the screen and just dig the tones as long as that disc was turned up like I had it.
I also got a 94-95 that was not a hot rock or large piece of junk but a 100 year old or so token so that was cool.

I found most if the clad in a couple of areas I hunted before, some of it, that token and the copper salvage in an area of woods at the edge if the park that has several frisbee golf goals spaced out around it.
I have hunted there before but it is pretty large.
Everywhere I went I just wandered aimlessly around, no gridding, no close overlapping just moving the coil wherever looking for those solid high tone signals.
I didn't mention I still have the sniper coil on this thing which makes it all that more amazing.
Using the big DD coil in hard hunted areas and picking up hidden coins is one thing, to do it with the small coil and pick up so many coins I missed before is a little shocking.
Don't know if this thing is reading through the soil better to lock onto some masked ones or what...I don't believe these coins were on edge because someone said this one is good at that but maybe a couple but I can't believe all of them were.

I have a friend that hunts a site where whole neighborhoods have been knocked down and carted away.
The streets and sidewalks are still there and so is a ton of trash like you would expect from an area like that.
Using this thing this way at that site would be perfect.
If I can't find copper cents, high tone clad and silver while avoiding most of the trash in an easier way with another tool just tell me how...I was that impressed with it's cherry picking abilities.

I had a bunch of trash in most areas today too.
Pull tabs galore when I turned down the disc a couple of times or switched to all metal plus pop tops like...everywhere.
This park is extra loaded with them, on top of the ground, shallow and deeper.
I got that overload signal a lot all day, over those pop tops,screw on tops, iron can slaw and shallow beaver tail tabs.
I dug several of these at first after getting the overload in two tone then switching to all metal to see what they were and see how deep they were, also.
This thing overloads on really tiny stuff if it is shallow I noticed but again I didn't remember to lower the sense to see if I can cut some of that out...next time.
I don't recall getting many overloads at all on the coins, even a couple that were on top of the ground hidden in the grass...just that pleasant ding tone when it really locks in.
The cool thing was when it overloaded there were no numbers on the screen at all because I had all that disced out.
I kept checking them at first with all metal but soon I learned to just ignore them and they didn't bother me.
This is not like the F70, I get some bleed through and a few false tones from time to time over iron with that one but mostly when I disc something out it stays out and rarely do I get overloads on anything or at the rate this one does.
Still, not an issue...especially when it can pick out the good stuff in a sea of trash like it did today.
I wonder if it will be just as easy using the big coil, harder, would I find even more?
All will be answered as time goes on.

So here is the loot, I haven't picked up this many coins in any site for a long time and I did it in sites I cleared out pretty well..or so I thought.
And the token is down there too.
Going by the words on it and tracking down the very interesting history of the Gates Corporation I figure this thing was made between 1914 and the early 20's.
Here is the very interesting history of the largest privately held company in the U.S. and the world's largest non-tire rubber company
[www.referenceforbusiness.com]

This token mentions the words "half sole" which is the very first rubber tire retread ever made and sold and was one of the first products they made that really put them on the map.
For this company the rest, as they say, is history.

Another worthy report.

One thing about Racers,,,,using the smaller coil,,,audio over better and worse targets,,,bigger difference audio wise.

Far easier to discern good targets based solely on audio,,,,and never even look at the meter.

Keep the reports coming.

Cheers..

Like the token, that's a nice little piece of history!

The red Racer has that pesky 82 TID bit bucket. It's annoying and for park detecting, would take some getting used to, but I bagged a seated half dime on my red Racer that, you guessed it, came in at a solid 82, so good stuff can come in there. The great thing about NokMak is that they listen to their customers. We told them we didn't like the compressed upper TID range, and on the Racer2 instead of the first 40 points on the TID scale being iron, they reduced it to 10, and expanded the upper range. No more 82 bit bucket items. Still the red Racer is a heck of a machine, makes a fantastic relic hunter in iron laden sites, and does pretty darn well on wet salt water beaches too.

I need to start learning to use the all metal mode on the Racers, it may serve me well at the site we discussed on a separate thread.

Iron with 10 numbers and expand the range up top...that is something more like what I am used to so that is sweet...really cool that a company hears their customers and can react as fast as they seem to be able to do.

All metal, my favorite way to hunt and I usually use that and all the noise, chatter and jumping plus all the overloads and actual real target signals don't bother me because I am used to it and with practice can isolate and target the good stuff from the bad using my senses..usually.
I just don't have much experience with this one in that mode yet because it is a slightly different language with a lot of extras...but I will get it down soon enough.

Still, even with this compression there has to be some way to tell the better targets from the trash.
Audio, number behavior, coil manipulation...something.
I don't really have a problem with targets good and bad coming in around the same range and numbers but it is more about how much of the trash at those numbers come in so solid, stable and clear with good tones.
I get lots of solid trash using my Fisher too and I dig every one of those but nothing like this.
It seems like the Racer can handle my hot soil a bit better to be able to lock on so well to so many targets both good and bad...maybe.
It is just a matter of taking the good with the bad and somehow figuring out some kind of behavior to give me a slight edge to be able to tell the difference.
I don't dig tons of trash anymore, I just won't because that is not fun for me anymore so using all my detectors my goal for the last few years is to figure out ways to avoid most of it and still be somewhat successful.
To that end I have succeeded although I admit I sure could miss some great things using my high percentage way of hunting.
Don't care anymore and I don't let the what if's bother me like they used to because I still find plenty to keep me satisfied and happy, sometimes great bucket list items and my jaw still drops more often then not in so called totally hunted out or ridiculously trash and iron filled sites I tend to spend my time at.

That is my job and goal with this one...find that hidden language, behavior, settings and indicators that helps me find the good stuff without tiring myself out digging trash and not just the high tones either but the low ones like old nickels and other coins, buttons, chains plus whatever else tends to dwell down low up to and including my favorite target, gold.

I will get there eventually...I am way to curious and stubborn to ever give up trying.



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The audio will typically tell you a lot. It has that blendy/bleedy audio that the F70/75 does not have (their snapshot audio reports are much more binary/digital in nature). That said, what you will notice is that targets of pure metal (copper, silver, gold, aluminum, lead, etc) will produce a nicer, fuller, sounding audio. Targets (typically junk) like crown caps for example, may sound nice at first, but as you investigate them, you'll notice that the audio isn't quite as pure, and as you drag the coil off the edge of the target, usually you'll get an iron grunt, not so on a pure metal target like a coin or the like.

It's not foolproof, but with some practice, the audio language will provide a lot of details. Now if I'm in a relic site, I'm still going to dig pretty much all conductors because good targets at those sites can come in all shapes/sizes/types of metal, etc., but it'll help you on the smaller iron.

Glad your testing the Racer out, I look forward to reading your adventures!

Thank you...all great information I can use and try to advance along the learning curve a bit faster.
Appreciate it!

diggwr27........ for you to find SO many coins behind all other detectors......,,,,,,,,, I wonder how these targets would report on the F70. IF possible........ could you find/mark/not-dig a dozen or so......... and see what your F70 reads/ID's them as? This would start to give real answers. (((Subsequently; will change your outlook on detecting & equipment.)))

I can do that sometime, but I can tell you what some of them sound like on my F70 right now...not like anything I should dig because I didn't.
Or they were extra masked, extra noisy, totally hidden or something else.
I missed all of them for some reason, I went over this area enough to hit at least a couple for sure.
Checking one against the other is the only way I guess, signal for signal.
Will do...asap.

Hi there diggwr27 and thank you for some great reports on the R.R.

- There is no real trouble with 82 .... if you go back some years in time when the gras was greener and we had
the segmented meter on the Qucksilver to guide us - lots of good stuff were packed together in those
pictographic sectors.
The real job was in decoding the sound signal, - single tone and short or longer more broken up....
The iron-ping-iron sound of the 5c segment was an ear opener concerning rusty bottle caps.
To illustrate some more, nearly all of our milled copper-bronce-or silver coins here in Norway came in
short, sweat and clear in the two upper segments of the meter.
So for me the "82 " works very much like the sixth segment on my old CZ.

trond

Thanks!
Any tips, techniques or insights into target behavior are welcome.

Ok....a really short hunt yesterday, I have lots to do around the house lately but I got out for about an hour.
I was in a very trashy and iron heavy entrance area in my local park where I have found a few great things but it has been awhile since anything good has popped up.
I was hoping for just one decent thing but not on this hunt, but the real reason I was here was to check out the tonal ID between two tones and 3 tones and that went well.
I came across these two vids from Keith and they were very helpful...I mean they were huge in my learning curve advancement so thanks Keith!

[m.youtube.com]

[m.youtube.com]

In Two tones lots of targets do sound the same, in three tones I could hear more than one component...I guess that was that blendy tone sound people mentioned.
I dug nothing good on this hunt, I came close with a few that had a little better sound but could still hear something else so I figured junk and it was true every time.
Three tone is supposed to be not as deep as two tone but if I can still get to the 6" area here or a bit more there are good things hanging around those levels.
Next hunt will be back at that other area where I found all those coins but was filled with pop tops.
I might switch over to the larger coil for better coverage on that one, if I have time I will compare signals with the F70 on some of the better ones and try to figure out why I missed so many in the past at this spot.
Still having fun learning, glad I can hear the slight inflections in the three tone mode so this might help out big time.
Now I have to compare all metal, two tone and three tone on a lot of signals and see how it all shakes out.

In higher mineralized soil,,,3 tone may actually mirror 2 tone for depth.
At the very least very much nearer one another depth wise.

Hope so...
Here I see some fairly high GB phase numbers but more importantly that circle thing, 3/4's to full a lot of the time.
Maybe I will try that tracking thing on the next one.

I seem to be getting down to the 5" level so far no matter what even though on many i can't dig that far because of the current ground conditions.
Getting close to 60 days with no rain, we passed the record for that last week.
let's see how far I can push it in areas I can dig deeper.

As a dedicated small coil user I would go for the OoR....
- three tones
- low to med disc
- tracking on
- optimal sens dep. on thrash E.M.I. and mineralization
- move slow and swing slow....
- listen for variations in the fringe of the sound signal....
Good luck and happy Racing!

trond

Your quite welcome!!

Glad They helped...makes up for all the negative stuff I have to deal with daily on youtube ..


Also to help you understand the tones like DI2 or DI3 are actually processes ...the DI2 is the hottest disc mode yet can become SWAMPED if mineral is TOO high...so flip over to DI3 and you will still have blending and bleeding but more compressed faster snapshot Vs DI2.AND you will find either mode is better than the F75/F70 in bad mineral above say 3 bar dirt for telling you if it's a good target or not more reliably ..theres alot more target analyzation going on in DI3..and one is when the open filters it can actually help in bad mineral over the DI2...the DI2 can how should I say, have INFORMATION OVERLOAD when highest mineral bombards it ...
Luckily you have the other Processes.

The DI3 is the closest to the way a F75 analyzes but still has open audio gate attributes while the the f75 uses timed gates ....If a F75 had Blend and bleed filters you would not need a Racer...but it doesn't..

In neutral dirt to say 3 bar dirt the F75 is still depth king...but as the mineral goes up mis ID'd depth is the order of the day on the F75..

F75 has some great technology and some deep DNA code that has yet to be copied for sure...but they need to work on bad soil depths with better ID...one way is like MakNok does ..Yet there's other ways too...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Thanks Keith..

Tried three tones and they still sound extra good over pop tops and some screw tops but I will get it.

I did put the large coil on the other day to go over a few areas and see what else might pop up but bad luck...that coil is bad.
Overload signal 100% of the time the second it is hooked up and turned on.
No adjustments will fix it...definitely bad.

That's ok, the sniper is better suited for most of he sites I plan to hunt and even in large wide open areas I have been lucky in the past and came across a couple of gold rings and older coins in huge areas just wandering around.
Never discount luck in this hobby.

Dave.......... are you saying the Racer stock coil is bad? The 11" coil?

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Dave.......... are you saying the Racer stock coil
> is bad? The 11" coil?


Yep....just a constant overload signal the second I turn it on.
I switched back to the sniper and hoped it wasn't the unit and that was fine, every time I connected the 11", and I switched them around a few times to be sure, it went off and wouldn't stop.
It looks brand new, plus I assume you used it some when you had it and it worked so...weird.
I can get in touch with Makro and see what they can do if you want.

Wow. What a surprise! I tested it before sending it to you. Shipping can do 'wonders'! Even in the factory detector box.
Did this standard coil EVER work for you?

Dilek,

It does sound like a flooded/bad coil. If possible....... could you send a new 11" DD standard Racer coil?

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Wow. What a surprise! I tested it before sending
> it to you. Shipping can do 'wonders'! Even in the
> factory detector box.
> Did this standard coil EVER work for you?


No.
First time I put it on it did this.
I put it on and went to hunt but stopped to swing over my front lawn before I left just for a second.
Good thing...would have been a drag to get to my site only to find out I couldn't hunt.