Nokta Impact Comparison

Has anyone who purchased a new Impact compared it to a current machine that you own ? I love the look but don't want to get caught up in the hype. I am not impressed with the Impact videos I have seen so far. It's a nice looking machine but does it really perform any better than current machines such as the F75 or Makro Racer. Just looking for real comparisons.....

Thanks,
Virginia Digger

From what little I used one, the videos don't compare to actual use. It was much much better than what I've heard on videos. I'm not saying the videos are bad. You just get more when you actually use it. It runs very quiet in iron trash compared to the Relic.

Maybe someone could send you one to try it.

Deeptech Warrior is the quietest detector in iron trash that I have ever used.

Rick

It's better.

Videos are hard to make and have all of the nuances come through. I'm super impressed with anyone who can put out a decent video.

Dean

the audio sure is easier on the ears than the F75/T2 or Racers. I've only been in my garden with it and it's at least st good performance wise. More feature/flexibility. I don't understand why we can't have tone adjustment in Di4 and only break. You have to use Di3 to high tone a nickel and to do that you have to modify the Fe tone for nickel and are forced to disc out iron. I like to still have iron audio even when coin shooting. Simple update should fix that I would think.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2017 02:07PM by detectingMO.

I like the impact better that the deus and racer I have all three and have hunted for 20 years and this machine for now is my everyday machine. Sure would like to still see changes on the next level if there will ever be one. But for now I think the impact can hunt with the deus as I have done and be a little better machine...

LowBoy

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There is nothing new or revolutionary with this machine if you hunted a site out with the deus, ctx3030 or the f75 for that matter don't expect to find any new targets with the impact. It;s a nice looking detector but like I said it doesnt offer anything worth a switch. you wont see any videos that blow your mind because this machine is performs just like others on the market.



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Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> There is nothing new or revolutionary with this ma
> chine if you hunted a site out with the deus, ctx3
> 030 or the f75 for that matter don't expect to fin
> d any new targets with the impact. It;s a nice loo
> king detector but like I said it doesnt offer anyt
> hing worth a switch. you wont see any videos that
> blow your mind because this machine is performs ju
> st like others on the market.

Do you have one? Or just judging from vids? We've been pulling stuff with it that multiple machines have been over CTX included.

Dean

Agree with bado, this thing is getting some good depth on non-ferrous in iron, re-hunting areas I have hit for years with a half dozen machines.

Tom

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I have two sitting in my shop and have been out twice with it as for good depth in Iron it will not out perform the deus in that department. I dont like filming head to heads on my youtube channel but I can film a video of the impact getting outperformed by other detectors. I can make the video only visible threw a link which will limit the damage, cheers chad

Now If we are talking pricetag then yes I would purchase this over a xp deus or ctx. you get a big bang for your buck so dont mistake my last statement as dont buy this machine I was just saying in my opinion in my dirt you wouldnt need it if you already owned above mentioned machines. if I wanted to spend under 1000.00 I would recommend the impact



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Yep, i've been watching Keith and others doing the nail board test on it and i've seen others perform as good or better than the Impacts small coil, even some with much bigger coils that do better.
Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> I have two sitting in my shop and have been out tw
> ice with it as for good depth in Iron it will n
> ot out perform the deus in that department. I dont
> like filming head to heads on my youtube channel b
> ut I can film a video of the impact getting outper
> formed by other detectors. I can make the video on
> ly visible threw a link which will limit the damag
> e, cheers chad

This answers my original question which was is it any better than current machines ? Its a beautiful machine but I need more than beauty to get on the hype train. If it doesn't do any better depth than an F75 or Explorer, its just a competitor. Marketing is a great tool for sheep.

The impact in the hands of a veteran is a great new detector not for everyone but I had a target I lost while I was filling in dirt on a hole I dug. I went over the area with the deus on all of my best settings could not hit it. Took the Impact used the deep program and tweaked it and it hit it with no problem...the target had sunk to about 12". The think I like about the impact is the all metal two killer programs that I think are the best our there...but hey my dirt is different than yours and I have to hunt in a lot of iron

LowBoy

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Read your first post and thought it sounded disingenuous and undeserving of an answer. Your last post confirmed it.

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

ncwayne Wrote:
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> Read your first post and thought it sounded dising
> enuous and undeserving of an answer. Your last pos
> t confirmed it.

+1, Wayne. I think we've just been called sheep. We must be Rams then! As we have balls big enough to take a risk, be early adopters, and not rely on everybody else to make our decisions for us.

Dean

Just read NASA Tom's notes to Nokta. It is very clear to me that the F75 is as good or better is his notes. It must be a great machine since he chose to compare the Impact to the F75. No offense intended referring to marketing and sheep. I have been detecting for 30 years and have fallen for the hype only to purchase the machine and realize its nothing special. My original question was about comparison of an Impact to other machines you own. Thanks for those who had a positive post.

It is a difficult decision for ALL of us when a new detector is brought to market. Bells and whistles and ergonomic features and brand can tip us one way or the other. Some comparisons between detectors are easier and some are much harder, but in the end it is how a detector works for YOU in your sites that counts. And how are you going to figure that out by what somebody else tells you (or videos for you)?
It is disingenuous to begin with doubts of a detector's performance (compared to other detectors), ask for opinions from those who have made comparisons, receive some opinions that the Impact is better and one/some opinion(s) that it is not, and then announce that you are now convinced your were right all along and those who disagree with you were misled by marketing hype. That is what you have done, virginia digger.

Now let me tell you why this SHEEP had no hesitation in pre-ordering the Nokta Impact.
The Impact has been about 2 years in coming to fruition. It comes from a company that has accomplished some tremendous things in a very short time. A company that listens to its customers and innovates!
When such a company partners with some of the most respected detectorists around the globe and utilizes their feedback and ideas for innovation and change, that is a ground-breaking departure from the norm.
How many detectors on the market have that kind of "instinct, insight, nuance, and experience" built into them?

I think you need to re-read what Tom has said in comparing the Impact and F-75. You have missed quite a few things. And to base a buy/don't buy decision on the opinions of those who have had an Impact for less than a week (non-testers) to compare to other detectors is utterly ridiculous. They are not going to fully understand the Impact's strengths (or weaknesses) for some time, yet.

Congratulations. You made up your mind, went looking for justification of your decision, and chose the reply of someone who supported your decision. Feel better now?

Wayne

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

"Congratulations. You made up your mind, went looking for justification of your decision, and chose the reply of someone who supported your decision. Feel better now? "

Yep. Spot on, Wayne.

Dean

Jeeesssu, you guys are hard on folk lol, try telling him about how good or bad your finding it, or how it performs in your ground vs your other detectors..

you tell him, ghound.
You missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter what you tell him. We've seen this type of question so-o-o many times before. Nothing anybody tells him is going to answer the question as to what the Impact or any detector is going to do, or not do, for him.

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

"try telling him about how good or bad you're finding it, or how it performs.."
"It doesn't matter what you tell him"

While this may be true, replies about it's performance are of interest to other detectorists, including myself. We've read plenty of opinions already, of course, particularly those of the prototype testers, but it's always good to hear more, from regular customers, hunting their own terrain.

I've never used an F75, Deus, CTX, or an Impact so I'm not swayed or biased in any direction.

From everything I've read online, however; the Impact provides a significant number of options for configuration and that makes it much more flexible and able to cover more ground hunting sites and scenarios than those other machines.

It also performs admirably from what the testing group reported.

Combine that with it's price point and it seems to be an attractive option.

If you can't see that then you simply do not want to.

Fisher F 75 came out about 10 years ago – we are still happily discussing/disputing it's applicability to different scenarios, its performance in the field etc.

If the impact turns out to be popular with users who actually paid good money for it then - absent a real breakthrough which changes the whole basis of detector design – we may be talking about it 10 years from now.

If however the longed-for game changer arrives – a detector which can do things which no current detector can do – then we may be talking less about the whole group of one frequency at a time detectors which represent today's top end.

Until that time – we will happily discuss and dispute the importance of each new machine which has been engineered to provide some progress in discrimination,separation, ground handling and user interface. Full marks to our Turkish friends for making a radical change to the pace of detector design and release to the marketplace. Time will tell if they can keep it up without "sowing confusion in the ranks" as it were.

Meanwhile my suggestion is that we all relax sit back and enjoy it when folks who are willing to go out and get their hands dirty report back to us their results. Normally this process causes some folks to decide that they are for or against something or somebody – and that some other folks should've done X or Y instead of A or B – but my suggestion is - it's going to be an interesting ride let's all sit back and enjoy It.

Thanks to everyone for their first hand contributions and thanks to folks (like me) who only offer their opinions – sometimes even these are of value

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



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"Has anyone who purchased a new Impact compared it to a current machine that you own"

Well, you can compare detectors, but what are you really comparing? it like apples and oranges. They both are food and you eat both, but they have little else in common. I have the f75 ltd 2, 2x ctxs, and the Impact. They are all worlds apart. Each has their strengths and one excels better than the other in certain categories. I can't list all the info on the Impact because I don't have nearly enough hours in. But, as a veteran hunter, I know that this is a machine I am happy to have and would not want to be without.

"There is nothing new or revolutionary with this machine if you hunted a site out with the deus, ctx3030 or the f75 for that matter don't expect to find any new targets with the impact."

I disagree. There are a lot of features that the Impact has that other machines do not. I hope to get a video made shortly with a real field test in a hunted out area.

Here's one way to put it. Either the Racers are now overpriced or the Impact is under priced. They are different brands but with current Impact price of $850 now puts Racer 2 at $650 and Racer at $450 in my mind if Price = performance/features.

Do you mean it has lot's more features than other's in the price range, or lot's more features that no other detector has?

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> I disagree. There are a lot of features that the I
> mpact has that other machines do not. I hope to ge
> t a video made shortly with a real field test in a
> hunted out area.

It's amazing still..... I don't have the Impact yet but in a couple of weeks I will. I'll say this, had 3 CTX's and 2 ETracs over the last two and a half years. Trying my dang-ist to find good stuff in a certain place. Even had the Deus in there a lot before the Turkish machines. If you've had a Turkish machine and it didn't out hunt any of the above "you did not learn it". Over the last 3-4 months several of my cohorts have watched somewhere around 8 people running AT Pros and T2 Classics just walk off of lots we were hunting while the R 2 was digging the goods. We have an R 2 clan now somewhat ; ). Even another Deus user threw in the towel. I'd much rather be digging than escorting a 2 K girlfriend around on my arm then styling and profiling because she is so expensive. Like having a Ferrari with a broke motor... From the FoRs CoRe to the R 2 will spank those girlfriends rear ends...... I've heard the Impact is better than the R 2, whewwwww don't know if I can handle that! I'm sure it is though, can't wait.

I hope Notka/Makro has something even better in the pipeline because when people catch on to what the Impact can really do it will absolutely kill Racer sales.

Tom

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In a democracy, it is difficult to win fellow citizens over to your own side, or to build public support to remedy injustices that remain all too real when you fundamentally misunderstand how they see the world.

I will offer a different perspective. I was a big F75 fan and I now have an Impact. But that is sort of beside my point here.

In October 2014 I posted a review of a detector by a company almost nobody here had ever heard of

[www.detectorprospector.com]

If you look at that review of the Nokta FORS Gold you will see I added a note just a few months later. I had made several comments about things I think needed improving on the machine. Yes, I do that sort of thing. What amazed me is Nokta fixed every one of them, and in record time. It made a serious impression on me.

What then followed was a quick succession of machines by Nokta and Makro, the sister company. Nothing earth shattering per se but top flight performance at aggressive prices and a willingness to try new ideas and listen to feedback. Frankly, it came on so quickly it actually turned some people off, and I saw complaints about too many machines too fast!

And all this while we are still debating the merits of the ten year old T2/F75 platform. I seriously mean no offence against First Texas, one of my favorite brands, but from October 2014 with a funny looking FORS models to now we see a machine running in one of three different frequencies with various options that put the Nokta Impact squarely alongside the top machines made by anyone. Does it "go deeper"? Come on boys, get real. VLF max depth has been maxed for years. You are just not going to see significant new depths attained without new patents attached. What we get are a better mix of features in one package with more options and hopefully at lower prices. If I see new models by anyone and they are based on existing VLF technology I don't even worry about more depth as an option. I get out a PI or a GPZ if depth matters, not a VLF surface skimmer.

October 2014 to now, I am looking at a machine that frankly has no exact equivalent from Garrett, First Texas, or Tesoro. Maybe you guys see no merit in being able to select frequencies but I am highly focused on replacing all my various VLF machines with just one detector, and it is most likely going to be a selectable frequency model that wins that competition. If Nok/Mak can get from FORS CoRe to Impact in three years the U.S. manufacturers had better get serious and quick about picking up the pace. The listen and bend over backwards to please attitude alone is getting a lot of fans willing to forgive in other areas. Next up we will no doubt be seeing PI models and multi frequency.... and who knows what else.

Anyway, I have my own ideas about the Impact and what I will be doing with it, and most revolve around the large coil. The main thing I wanted to note here is what an accomplishment this is a for a company almost none of us heard of less than three years ago, and what it means for where they will be three years from now. Congratulations to the Nokta and Makro team and most especially to Dilek Gonulay for an impressive job well done.

Amen Steve