EQUINOX "Down the barrel" EXTREME

One word definition of Equinox line= Roadblock.

And I see $800 figure being thrown around.

When all is said and done, the model 600 unit likely the best seller of the 2 models.

Just think, even if another manufacturer can deliver an equivalent line,,can they deliver the same or similar price too??

Don't put it past Minelab, to release a similar weighted, waterproof fbs thingy in the near future too.

Then lockdown results for the most part.

And there is a chance we may eventually see the Equinox line reduced somewhat price wise depending on just how hot they sell initially.

I just hope they have thought things through and have enough hats to go with units.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/2017 09:28PM by Sod-buster.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> > Des D Wrote:
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> > > 'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brot
> he
> > r'
> > > s)...
> > > ......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'
> >
> >
> > My first girly magazine was Hustler c.1977'ish..
> ..
> > .with a couple of childhood friends on our bikes
> w
> > e spied it in someones garbage can on trash day.
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> > .wow that was an eye opener for a kid - lol
>
> Yeah, I don't know what opened wider my eyes or my
> mouth, either ways I forgot to Blink
>
> J.

I'm pretty sure the three of us just stood there in shock

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> ghound Wrote:
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> > Yes that's a bit cheeky of the testers, Deus doe
> s
> > the same in stock program GM Power.
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> Absolutely, I agree totally,
>
> people seem to be getting their panties in a twist
> knowing nothing about the machine, so far I have n
> ot seen it do any thing any other machines can't d
> o, And I am surprized by some of the comments by s
> ome of the more well versed people here, Before pe
> ople start making wild statements and wild claims
> at leased wait until it hits the streets and been
> put to use, clam down people it is nothing but a B
> S Promo overloaded with spin and so far 100% un pr
> oven.

Wild claims & you haven't seen it do anything any other machine cant do -

If you cannot see anything NEW from this REPUTABLE manufacturer and this NEW Tech, then I doubt anyone here will change your thoughts on the EQ's - Personally, I think they are a breath of fresh air considering what some others have offered -

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > > I see that Debbie Downer has arrived.
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> > Lol, Well you go back to giving people false hop
> e
> > about a product that no one knows anything about
> a
> > part from the hype, But remember we have been he
> re
> > before and we all know how that ended.
>
> I've not posted anything about anything to give a
> nybody "false hope" as you described it. I'm just
> like everybody else, including you...all I've seen
> and read about the Equinox is what I've seen and r
> ead. All I know is what everybody else knows. I'
> ve never said it was going to be a magic unicorn.
> The other side of that coin is, that you don't hav
> e any inside info about anything either, and so yo
> u are just making assumptions about it too....just
> from the other direction. You are wanting to tare
> everything positive down as hype while the others
> are hoping for something with optimistic excitemen
> t. Can't you let people be excited and happy, or
> are you one of those people that are only happy wh
> en you kill other people's buzz?
>
> The main two things that are appealing to me are:
>
> #1 It's waterproof.
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> #2 It has some form of multi frequency with the op
> tion to do single freq adjustment.
>
> That's enough for me to know that I want one. 90%
> of my hunting is done in the water for jewelry and
> then 10% for coins and relics on land. The option
> s on the market for waterproof machines are very v
> ery slim. And then it gets even slimmer for the o
> nes that can handle wet salt sand well. Of the wa
> ter proof machines, that wet sand beach and water
> part of it knocks out the AT Series from Garrett a
> nd the MX Sport from Whites. That pretty much jus
> t leaves the Minelab CTX and Excalibur machines fo
> r getting in the water, unless you get into the sp
> ecialty brands like the AquaStar, etc. It's nice
> to see another option enter the playing field. Th
> at's what I'm excited about. A lot of the other s
> tuff is just bonus material. If it is as fast as
> a Deus or faster? I don't know...it don't really m
> atter that much to me to be honest. Land/dirt mach
> ines are a dime a dozen but water machines, and pa
> rticularly salt water/wet sand machines are not.
>
> We all know that nothing that comes out on the mar
> ket will ever make you step away from your MXT. Y
> ou are correct...I do remember how that little dea
> l ended. It ended with you making a nuisance (and
> that's putting it kindly) of yourself on every thr
> ead talking about how much better your MXT is than
> anything past, present, and future.

SPOT ON -

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> > 'I remember my first copy of Playboy ( my brothe
> r'
> > s)...
> > ......,,,ahhhhhh..... Miss September 1973....'
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> Why do they always put the staples covering the be
> st bits,

its the ones that stay together without staples, you should worry about -

i.e. returning your brothers copy of Playboy and Miss September

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> One word definition of Equinox line= Roadblock.
>
> And I see $800 figure being thrown around.
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> When all is said and done, the model 600 unit like
> ly the best seller of the 2 models.
>


Not sure if anyone caught this or not, but the ML Scot doing the Nox walk through briefly mentioned that the 20 & 40 kHz HF modes was "disabled" on the 600. Makes one wonder if it's possible through a hidden menu or secret combination of buttons if one could enable the HF mode on the 600. I'd assume their might be some electronics differences? For example will a 600 coil work on a 800? I

Ya know.............. With positive energy........ negative energy can be induced. But........ it is still energy. ((((For every action........ there is equal/opposite reaction)))).
For those folks of whom choose to disbelieve: You can choose to not believe our forum members. You can choose to not believe Brandon Neice. You can choose to not believe Keith Southern. You can choose to not believe me. ...... This is never a problem. Zero harm. BUT........... gosh....... I STRONGLY recommend you believe in Mark Lawrie...... and his statements. If anyone knows the detector the best......... it's the design engineer. And......... engineers are not known to over-hype/over-brag about their stuff......... knowing there could very easily be repercussions. . . . . . should something go awry.

$900, or rather $899 for the Ox 800. For Minelab to say it would basically obsolete the vlf competition, ( I don't remember their exact wording) , could they get sued for saying that if they are wrong? And , If they could, then maybe they are just super confident in the Ox's abilities that they could put out a statement like that?



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NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Ya know.............. With positive energy........
> negative energy can be induced. But........ it is
> still energy. ((((For every action........ there
> is equal/opposite reaction)))).
> For those folks of whom choose to disbelieve: You
> can choose to not believe our forum members. You c
> an choose to not believe Brandon Neice. You can ch
> oose to not believe Keith Southern. You can choose
> to not believe me. ...... This is never a problem
> . Zero harm. BUT........... gosh....... I STRONGL
> Y recommend you believe in Mark Lawrie...... and h
> is statements. If anyone knows the detector the be
> st......... it's the design engineer. And.........
> engineers are not known to over-hype/over-brag abo
> ut their stuff......... knowing there could very e
> asily be repercussions. . . . . . should something
> go awry.

Interesting post; thought-provoking...

Steve

Hi Tom D, did you say one time that a coil has to be of some different windings to use different frequency? If that is so then the 600 can't work on the 800 right ? There was a post some where not long ago about this and I can't rembember where. I am getting old. flintstone

f75, omega, and xterra 705 all pass this extreme down the barrel like the iron isnt there. just tested. only an issue if iron doesnt cover full width of coil while detecting coin. just like has been stated. equinox recovery is faster by a mile but this equinox just seems like improved xterra to me



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2017 01:47AM by detectingMO.

Flintstone.......... Coils are indeed 'tuned' for a specific operating frequency; however, now-a-days....... electronic software tuning is more prevalent. In general........... it's a (almost mandatory) good idea to use a base/primary frequency ....and multiples/harmonics of this base freq..... if a unit is to have multi single-frequencies. . . . . ie 4-Khz, 8-Khz, 12-Khz.

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> f75, omega, and xterra 705 all pass this extreme d
> own the barrel like the iron isnt there. just tes
> ted. only an issue if iron doesnt cover full widt
> h of coil while detecting coin. just like has beec
> n stated. equinox recovery is faster by a mile bu
> t this equinox just seems like improved xterra to
> me

I am a little confused.
If you look at video in question,,,,looks like where the actual coins are located in respect to iron length,,,,the iron is not the full span of coil. Equinox passes though.
But what you are bascially saying above if I am reading correctly,,,if iron does 't cover span of coil = those units fail.
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Looking at the coin placement in the video they look to be3-5" from the ends of the iron. So really any stock sized coil would not have the iron rod or whatever extending their full span across coil when over coins in video.
Question Craig,
Do you think the detectors you listed above would pass this exact same setup shown in the video???
With stock sized coils?
Pass meaning getting good tone when coming from both directions down the barrel on the coins in video as they are displayed with iron.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2017 02:30AM by Sod-buster.

it would be close to where they would fail. certainly not with same 11" round. equinox is definitely dojng better. interestingly the 705 seemed to do best on lock and id of the 3. its recovery is much slower than equinox shown. maybe a 3 out of 8 setting. I think the equinox has xterra dna for sure.

Thanks Craig.

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> Notice that the sickle iron object (or whatever it
> was) was placed NEXT to the coins . Not over a co
> in. I can think of several current machines (var
> ious Tesoro 2-filter machines, a 77b, etc...) that
> can do that. I would like to see how it reacts w
> hen iron (a beefy rusted square nail , for instanc
> e) is place directly on top of a coin.
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> Also: Wake me up when this thing has an ability t
> o have in-line probe that pipes through your headp
> hones .

Spoiled by the x1 buddy!

possum mo Wrote:
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> $900, or rather $899 for the Ox 800. For
> Minelab to say it would basically obsolete the vlf
> competition, ( I don't remember their exact wordin
> g) , could they get sued for saying that if they
> are wrong? And , If they could, then maybe they
> are just super confident in the Ox's abilities tha
> t they could put out a statement like that?

All they need is one aspect to classify an item as obsolete(a subjective term). The Impact and the EQ both have select-able freqs, however the EQ is waterproof and therefore obsoleted the Impact(just an example not a fact).

As for this test. It's so amazing that there are people that automatically come and defend their detectors even though it was the type of test that's NOT"head-to-head". The test was shown what the EQ can do, not what other machines can't do. The statement that it is "as fast or faster than the Deus" is subjective to us, but it may be provable to an engineer.

I am not a fanboy. I have defended the strengths and weaknesses of many different brands. I just like pointing out the truth and trying to stop people from muddying the waters.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2017 02:50PM by Beyonder-Pa.

Isn't the big question still what kind of multi-frequency technology the Equinox uses, i.e. xTerra-style VLF but tweaked, some sort of slimmed down BBS or FBS, or something entirely new, and secondly, how does it perform?

Minelab says it uses a new technology called "Multi-IQ, Simultaneous Multi-Frequency Technology," which is at least a new name if not actually new technology.

My bet is that it is some variation of BBS/FBS that uses just three frequencies: 5,10, and 15 kHz, combined by some really slick software algorithms using DSP and a super fast CPU chip. Basically a 3-frequency FBS. But who knows at this stage of the game. My only point is that it does look like it is some sort of new digitally-processed VLF technology not yet seen on previous detectors.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> My first girly magazine was Hustler c.1977'ish....
> .with a couple of childhood friends on our bikes w
> e spied it in someones garbage can on trash day...
> .wow that was an eye opener for a kid - lol

Brian, when are you going to learn that women only rob you of precious metal detecting time ? They just get us guys in trouble. Sheeesk, if you hadn't rejected all my romantic advances, think of all the great un-restricted md'ing time you could have had ? Some people never learn.

Deus..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSgDELKrJCQ&feature=youtu.be

It still does not make other machines obsolete, yes it is a lot more responsive compared to FBS machines and it is waterproof, and most likely only 5 to 10% of them sold will ever get near water.

As for ML not making wild claims that's BS too, Remember the 40% Deeper comparing the GPZ to the GPX-5000 and what about the extra 30% deeper with the new 19" GPZ Coil than with the standard GPZ coil so by those figures that machine should be finding average nuggets over 4 and a half feet deep. So far not one has been found at such depths, and in most cases the GPX could and has found nuggets at equal depths using equal sized coils,

ML is a good company but their BS is as over inflated as their prices, One thing in this new machines favour is that this is their first detector to be sold at a sensible Price.

I am hoping it has the superb audio/tones of the early fbs machines. I have yet to use a machine that can match the tonal quality of the Explorers/Etrac on deep silver and copper coins and I have used/owned a bunch.

I know a lot of hunters are excited about the Equinox. In a way I am to. Just wondering if it will be faster and separate as good or better than my deus and go as deep and have great ID at depth like my CTX. I also wonder what the 6 inch round coil on the Equinox will be able to do in trash and iron sites and what kind of depth it will be able to get. Will I still need my CTX and Deus for my kind of hunting which is coin and relic or will the Equinox do it all. Can't wait to see some videos in English of hunters using the Equinox. Hunters doing side by side tests up against other detectors and hunters using the Equinox in the field in sites that have been hit hard to see if the Equinox can find goodies others have missed. If I can have one detector that can do what my CTX can when it comes to finding deep silver and other goodies and has the speed to unmask targets like my Deus can then I ill be one happy puppy.

I'm wondering if this model is really just for the mid line market. I have this feeling that they are holding the best of this technology for the next machine designed to replace the CTX and Excalibur with one deeper unit? What are the odds of that??

X2 coinnut. I think the Equinox's are the new mid level machines in the lineup and I think we'll see a new flagship from minelab within a year, I can imagine a flagship machine in Equinox like housing with selectable single freqs, BBS mode "with true sov tones", FBS mode "with true explorer tones",multi IQ mode "if any benefit over bbs/fbs" all modes being customizable with tone break, reactivity, tx power, etc... can't wait to hear more about this multi IQ tech and if it will be better than bbs/fbs but I'm thinking it's a new mid level multi freq tech. Maybe they'll just come out with MBS "multi band spectrum". I couldn't help myself got a Nox 6 and Nox 8 preordered even though ground will be frozen solid by the time I get them.

John

Sand dog Wrote:
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> X2 coinnut. I think the Equinox's are the new mid
> level machines in the lineup and I think we'll see
> a new flagship from minelab within a year, I can i
> magine a flagship machine in Equinox like housing
> with selectable single freqs, BBS mode "with true
> sov tones", FBS mode "with true explorer tones",mu
> lti IQ mode "if any benefit over bbs/fbs" all mode
> s being customizable with tone break, reactivity,
> tx power, etc... can't wait to hear more about thi
> s multi IQ tech and if it will be better than bbs/
> fbs but I'm thinking it's a new mid level multi fr
> eq tech. Maybe they'll just come out with MBS "mu
> lti band spectrum". I couldn't help myself got a N
> ox 6 and Nox 8 preordered even though ground will
> be frozen solid by the time I get them.
>
> John


John I'm curious why you got the NOX 6 and 8?

I think you're right about the NOX being a stepping stone to their next flagship detector. When the GoFind came out I was sure that, even though it's a machine targeted at children, that their lightweight,compact form factor would be back, it was a test mule for things to come.

Sand dog Wrote:
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> X2 coinnut. I think the Equinox's are the new mid
> level machines in the lineup and I think we'll see
> a new flagship from minelab within a year, I can i
> magine a flagship machine in Equinox like housing
> with selectable single freqs, BBS mode "with true
> sov tones", FBS mode "with true explorer tones",mu
> lti IQ mode "if any benefit over bbs/fbs" all mode
> s being customizable with tone break, reactivity,
> tx power, etc... can't wait to hear more about thi
> s multi IQ tech and if it will be better than bbs/
> fbs but I'm thinking it's a new mid level multi fr
> eq tech. Maybe they'll just come out with MBS "mu
> lti band spectrum". I couldn't help myself got a N
> ox 6 and Nox 8 preordered even though ground will
> be frozen solid by the time I get them.
>
> John

John,

If that machine you describe were released, and was even remotely affordable, WOW.

Steve



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Cal, I got the Nox 6 for the girlfriend and I wanted to see if the multi IQ was different between the 2. I keep hearing that the multi freq mode uses all the single freqs together and the Nox 8 has 2 more freqs than Nox 6. Maybe multi IQ will be the mid level and maybe there will be such a thing as MBS "multi band spectrum" in a new flagship.


SteveG, I forgot to say " with an msrp of $1599" lol


John

Someone might remember better than me, but didn't they do the X-terra series in a similar way? Meaning that when they were first announced and promoted, there was just the 30 and 50 models. Then after they came out, the 70 was brought out a little while later. I remember I bought the X-terra 50 thinking it was the best of the two, and then they dropped the 70 and left me feeling like I had definitely jumped in too soon. I really liked the X-terra platform. My only gripe was the overall cost to get the full benefit of the different frequencies. I liked their ease of setup and sounds, and they had reasonable depth. Even if the Equinox is just a waterproof X-Terra I would be happy, especially since it can swap frequencies with just one coil. I couldn't tell you how many times I have nearly bought the X-terra 705...always talk myself out of it because I don't want to have a Grand tied up in coils.

Listen to you guys. You're already arguing over this detector. And it want be available to actually use for 5 months if then. Ain't marketing a wonderful thing. Minelabs marketing dept. has got us by the balls. Genius ain't it. They've already sold a ton of product without the product. Nonetheless, ain't it fun.