New Fisher and Teknetics Products discussion/speculation

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> -----
> > Never mind....looks like we were just dreaming.
> > It appears the plus is just a step between a pla
> n
> > jane model and the LTD model
> >
> > Oh well. Got to speculate a little.
> >
> > HH
> > Mike
>
>
> That's just sad, just as I suspected, another repa
> ck job with new stickers.... I guess when you have
> nothing new and innovative in your foreseeable pip
> eline, and all the competition is making waves wit
> h their shiny new toys, you take a page from the W
> hite's playbook and slap a new sticker on the ten
> year old stuff and make an attempt to drum it up o
> n social media..... it's cheaper then having peopl
> e parachute out of airplanes

You guys are brutal. You don't even know what the new product is or how it performs. Yet you know enough to feel sad and speculate snd say its a new sticker on an old package, etc., etc., etc. and put it out for all to see.when you don't even know. We're lucky to have folks like First Texas, Minelad, Whites, Tesoro and all the others who give all these choices. Sure they are in business to make a living. Who's not? If they weren't we'd have to find another hobby. So ease up a bit on speculations and criticism until after you know the facts then go for it. Or better yet, start your own detector manufacturing business and see what that does for ya. Seriously, no disrespect by this reply.

Funny how in just a couple of years in some area's, like the left coast, the F 75 just doesn't seem to be as good for some swingers as it once was. I've tried a couple of detectors from a European mfg and while fine detectors, I found after two or so months that for my needs in my ground my F 75 was still the detector for me. But, to each his own, I guess. HH jim tn

What ever it is we need a few more inches of depth & the ability to tell the difference between a cut nail & a minie ball. Just wishing guys. The ability to handle bad ground is a must. I use the G2 & F19 to relic hunt. They out perform most machines that my buddy's use. Most noticably is the F75SE. They just handle the ground we hunt better.

OK,

We all want a pony for Christmas.

Not criticizing anybody. Hopes deferred - frustration - supposing the worst motives for the non-appearance of the shiny thing we hoped for......

Where was I - oh yes, Christmas 1952.... on no, I mean Fall 2017.

We are all (absent evidence to the contrary) “men of goodwill”.

Let’s let the merchants lay their wares before us - and let us each chose which - of any of them - we will exchange our hard won coins for.

That reminds me of my favorite Yule story, but since it’s only early November, you will just have to wait till December for me to tell it (again) - hint, Eric the Red is involved.

Meanwhile, the makers strive to please us - let’s allow them to lay out their wares..we shall consider them.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Digger70pa Wrote:
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> What ever it is we need a few more inches of depth
> & the ability to tell the difference between a cut
> nail & a minie ball. Just wishing guys. The abilit
> y to handle bad ground is a must. I use the G2 & F
> 19 to relic hunt. They out perform most machines t
> hat my buddy's use. Most noticably is the F75SE. T
> hey just handle the ground we hunt better.


I got my tail kicked by my buddy today. That AT Max just doesn't hold a candle to the F75. He dug 5 minies, a handful of .44 colts. I got nothing. He called me over for a few of the minies before he dug them and I couldn't get a signal on two of them...Pro Zero with no discrimination. The other was just an iron grunt on my machine. That tells me I am going back to Fisher/Teknetics very soon. Your post may have swayed me to that G2+.

hiw was it in all metal, Daniel? the max is nearly 50% deeper in all metal in my ground.

Bill long Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mike Hillis Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Never mind....looks like we were just dreaming
> .
> > > It appears the plus is just a step between a p
> la
> > n
> > > jane model and the LTD model
> > >
> > > Oh well. Got to speculate a little.
> > >
> > > HH
> > > Mike
> >
> >
> > That's just sad, just as I suspected, another re
> pa
> > ck job with new stickers.... I guess when you ha
> ve
> > nothing new and innovative in your foreseeable p
> ip
> > eline, and all the competition is making waves w
> it
> > h their shiny new toys, you take a page from the
> W
> > hite's playbook and slap a new sticker on the te
> n
> > year old stuff and make an attempt to drum it up
> o
> > n social media..... it's cheaper then having peo
> pl
> > e parachute out of airplanes
>
> You guys are brutal. You don't even know what the
> new product is or how it performs. Yet you know en
> ough to feel sad and speculate snd say its a new s
> ticker on an old package, etc., etc., etc. and put
> it out for all to see.when you don't even know. We
> 're lucky to have folks like First Texas, Minelad,
> Whites, Tesoro and all the others who give all the
> se choices. Sure they are in business to make a li
> ving. Who's not? If they weren't we'd have to find
> another hobby. So ease up a bit on speculations an
> d criticism until after you know the facts then g
> o for it. Or better yet, start your own detector m
> anufacturing business and see what that does for y
> a. Seriously, no disrespect by this reply.


Not brutal at all, but how many variations on a theme must we endure? The F75 has had so many permutations, that even the dealers are hard pressed to keep them all straight.

I would be absolutely thrilled to see FTP release a new and innovative machine, but when it's just the same old detectors in new packaging, over and over again, it's hard not to ridicule them a bit.

They certainly have the engineering staff to do something great, and we've been hearing for years that their on the verge of their next new flagship machine, but then when something "new" does come, it's this kind of marketing. if they want to be the new Hyundai of detectors, hey that's great, they got a lot of market share by repackaging and being a low price leader, but some of us have higher expectations from them because we know their capable. It's like watching the american auto industry resting on their laurels during the late 1970's and 1980's.....worked for a while, but in the end, it almost destroyed them. I'd hate to see that happen to FTP.

detectingMO Wrote:
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> hiw was it in all metal, Daniel? the max is nearl
> y 50% deeper in all metal in my ground.

I can't run the Max in all metal in my ground. The ground changes too much; on top of that, their all metal makes it too tough to distinguish ground noise vs an actual target. This is one machine that will make the air tester people happy. I can scarcely think of another detector that air tests as hot as the Max, especially with the 12x13 coil attached. You need a yard stick instead of a 12 inch ruler.

The ground I was in yesterday was just 3 bars on the F75s Fe meter. I would consider that to be mild. AT Max ground balanced between 81 and 89, depending on if I pumped the coil up and down or just held the GB button while slowly sweeping the coil horizontally across the soil. I seemed to get less ground noise by doing the latter. I've been trying to sell it but that hasn't worked out. I guess I will take a loss and trade it on an F75 or G2+, despite the new lowered prices on them, I will probably have to pay some difference between them in a trade.

Ok yeah soil makes a difference. I guess the ground balance window doesnt help. I'm surprised you cant sell and you should get good trade value. I've sold them used on ebay for more than unadvertised new.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > hiw was it in all metal, Daniel? the max is nea
> rl
> > y 50% deeper in all metal in my ground.
>
> I can't run the Max in all metal in my ground. Th
> e ground changes too much; on top of that, their a
> ll metal makes it too tough to distinguish ground
> noise vs an actual target. This is one machine th
> at will make the air tester people happy. I can s
> carcely think of another detector that air tests a
> s hot as the Max, especially with the 12x13 coil a
> ttached. You need a yard stick instead of a 12 inc
> h ruler.
>
> The ground I was in yesterday was just 3 bars on t
> he F75s Fe meter. I would consider that to be mild
> . AT Max ground balanced between 81 and 89, depend
> ing on if I pumped the coil up and down or just he
> ld the GB button while slowly sweeping the coil ho
> rizontally across the soil. I seemed to get less g
> round noise by doing the latter. I've been trying
> to sell it but that hasn't worked out. I guess I w
> ill take a loss and trade it on an F75 or G2+, des
> pite the new lowered prices on them, I will probab
> ly have to pay some difference between them in a t
> rade.

Thanks for the report Daniel----you saved me some money and gave me renewed confidence in my Nasa Tom certified F75.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> Digger70pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What ever it is we need a few more inches of dep
> th
> > & the ability to tell the difference between a c
> ut
> > nail & a minie ball. Just wishing guys. The abil
> it
> > y to handle bad ground is a must. I use the G2 &
> F
> > 19 to relic hunt. They out perform most machines
> t
> > hat my buddy's use. Most noticably is the F75SE.
> T
> > hey just handle the ground we hunt better.
>
>
> I got my tail kicked by my buddy today. That AT M
> ax just doesn't hold a candle to the F75. He dug
> 5 minies, a handful of .44 colts. I got nothing. H
> e called me over for a few of the minies before he
> dug them and I couldn't get a signal on two of the
> m...Pro Zero with no discrimination. The other wa
> s just an iron grunt on my machine. That tells me
> I am going back to Fisher/Teknetics very soon. Yo
> ur post may have swayed me to that G2+.

My buddy was using a ATpro with a 13" tornado coil. He didn't find anything. I had him check multiple good targets & he said he got nothing or a iron signal. I guess that machine can't handle bad ground well. I tried to tutor him about ground Balancing often & keeping the coil on the ground. G2/F19 are the best relic machines I've ever used......

Digger70 -- That sounds exactly like what happened between my buddy Allen and myself the other day. Allen could not believe I didn't find a single bullet. He was almost in shock. We've hunted together for about 5 or 6 years now, and I've always been the one in the cat bird seat with the most finds in my pouch at the end of the hunts. He hunts with a non DST model F75 limited model. He actually traded a DST model for it...and he is deadly with it. For relic hunting, it's hard to beat those Fishers.

I'm gonna give the Max one last chance. I did discover that Garrett must program them to GB on the positive side when you do an auto GB. This explains the ground noise in all metal mode and it's also there in disc mode too if you know what you are hearing. I started playing around with the manual GB vs the auto GB and where I consider the machine to be balanced as far as not giving any noise when the coil is pumped up/down...is usually 7 or 8 digits lower than where the machine will auto GB at while standing in the same spot. By manual ground balancing, I am able to use all metal mode and THAT makes me a little optimistic that I may have figured something out. This also quietens the disc modes down as well...it's not that they were loud, it's just that they were "busy" with snaps, crackle, pops when swinging the coil. I noticed in my yard, this was almost completely gone when doing a manual GB.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
> I guess when you have
> nothing new and innovative in your foreseeable pip
> eline, and all the competition is making waves wit
> h their shiny new toys, you take a page from the Garrett
> playbook and slap a new sticker on the ten
> year old stuff and make an attempt to drum it up o
> n social media..... it's cheaper then having peopl
> e parachute out of airplanes


Fixed it for ya.

I’m getting the feeling Whites has something awsome coming?

John

Sand Dog is that because they are the quietest company? I could be very interested in an updated, modded, waterproof, featherweight TDI...

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

Bill long Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mike Hillis Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Never mind....looks like we were just dreaming
> .
> > > It appears the plus is just a step between a p
> la
> > n
> > > jane model and the LTD model
> > >
> > > Oh well. Got to speculate a little.
> > >
> > > HH
> > > Mike
> >
> >
> > That's just sad, just as I suspected, another re
> pa
> > ck job with new stickers.... I guess when you ha
> ve
> > nothing new and innovative in your foreseeable p
> ip
> > eline, and all the competition is making waves w
> it
> > h their shiny new toys, you take a page from the
> W
> > hite's playbook and slap a new sticker on the te
> n
> > year old stuff and make an attempt to drum it up
> o
> > n social media..... it's cheaper then having peo
> pl
> > e parachute out of airplanes
>
> You guys are brutal. You don't even know what the
> new product is or how it performs. Yet you know en
> ough to feel sad and speculate snd say its a new s
> ticker on an old package, etc., etc., etc. and put
> it out for all to see.when you don't even know. We
> 're lucky to have folks like First Texas, Minelad,
> Whites, Tesoro and all the others who give all the
> se choices. Sure they are in business to make a li
> ving. Who's not? If they weren't we'd have to find
> another hobby. So ease up a bit on speculations an
> d criticism until after you know the facts then g
> o for it. Or better yet, start your own detector m
> anufacturing business and see what that does for y
> a. Seriously, no disrespect by this reply.

just wait, it could actually get even more 'brutal' once we actually get our hands on some new machines, lol

PastTom, I heard awhile back someone asked about an improved waterproof tdi and someone from whites said its old tech, I’m betting we’re gonna see a new high end machine from whites that’ll be a very welcome addition for a lot of us.

John

tboykin Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> > I guess when you have
> > nothing new and innovative in your foreseeable p
> ip
> > eline, and all the competition is making waves w
> it
> > h their shiny new toys, you take a page from the
> Garrett
> > playbook and slap a new sticker on the ten
> > year old stuff and make an attempt to drum it up
> o
> > n social media..... it's cheaper then having peo
> pl
> > e parachute out of airplanes
>
>
> "Fixed it for ya".

As previously mentioned, if you cannot do your job in a professional manner, simply step aside and let a grown up do it -

It is this very level of maturity that had you lot running around like headless chooks a while back, remember??

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2017 10:36PM by sanjuro.

Geee new stuff coming in the next two years. That's a lot of water under the bridge. I don't think I'll hold my breath. I think I'll just keep find stuff with my Nokta/Makro detectors.

Tom Slick Wrote:
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> Geee new stuff coming in the next two years. That'
> s a lot of water under the bridge. I don't think I
> 'll hold my breath. I think I'll just keep find st
> uff with my Nokta/Makro detectors.

Yeah, we were told that in 2012, then 2014, now 2017. I am happy to see them have a real pinpointer though! Looks to be deep like a TRX and 360 detection like a garrett.

I'm willing to place money that it will be out sooner than most people think. Who's taking bets?

Listen from 11:30 to 12:30 and you will hear that Russ says that "you are definitely in range with the 2 year warranty of the new stuff coming".

I don't comprehend that as being 2 years off...I comprehend that as saying the tech will be out "within" that 2 year window. I will take a wild guess and say WELL within that window....

Can't blame them for not being in a huge hurry. When I toured the factory they were throwing out sales numbers from Bounty Hunter alone that made my head spin. One BH comes of the assembly line every 20 seconds or some ridiculous number. The amount of pallets they were loading onto trucks was insane.

That and the fact that many (not all) new releases are just recently catching up with the F75 and T2 LTD's.....pretty sure they are content to just R&D until it is perfect and a head spinner. I don't think they feel the "pressure" that some imply they feel.

Don't forget First Texas has some very expensive night vision they sell for like $15,000 a pop via NIVISYS. Military grade stuff. The Night Owl Optics brand as well for consumer grade NV. Makes me giggle when people talk about how they must be hurting financially since they are lowering prices.

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detectingMO Wrote:
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> Tom Slick Wrote:
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> -----
> > Geee new stuff coming in the next two years. Tha
> t'
> > s a lot of water under the bridge. I don't think
> I
> > 'll hold my breath. I think I'll just keep find
> st
> > uff with my Nokta/Makro detectors.
>
> Yeah, we were told that in 2012, then 2014, now 20
> 17. I am happy to see them have a real pinpointer
> though! Looks to be deep like a TRX and 360 detec
> tion like a garrett.

they don't need no stinking innovation.....they're doing so well they can continue to rest on their laurels ad infinitum, lol
must be boring for the engineering staff though....

Sand dog Wrote:
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> I’m getting the feeling Whites has something awsom
> e coming?
>
> John


No doubt a good one, hopefully

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2017 07:32AM by rustic charm.

Found a couple videos on YouTube this weekend about the T2+ machine but they didn't show anything other than the normal modes and boost mode. One guy said all they were allowed to say at this point is that it is a green model with boost and the warranty.

Sounds like they are taking a page out of the Equinox marketing playbook

I wonder if the + can do this?

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