The great Equinox conspiracy.

guvmore Wrote:
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> > > As for the comment that others are obsolete, w
> el
> > l
> > > seems that is what many dealers have on their
> we
> > b
> > > sites People have a right to their views it'
> s
> > a
> > > free world. hh


Ok Do you Own the Equinox, ? my guess is that you don't. So unless you are one of the field testers or you work for ML directly then this conversation it done.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2017 04:54AM by auminesweeper.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> The great Equinox conspiracy.
>
> Late July 2017: An advertisement of a perso
> n parachuting with a large Minelab banner and the
> headline stating, "Get the drop on Minelab's sensa
> tional new metal detector", begins to circulate th
> e forums. There is an advertised date of September
> 16, 2017 for the release of information at the met
> al detecting festival called "detectival". Some sp
> eculation as to what this may be is discussed, but
> nothing concrete appears.
>
dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. . . . .
>
> Conclusion: "The very word 'secret' in our
> society is repugnant" said John F. Kennedy. With t
> he possible release date 17th fast approaching in
> 3 days, will it be release in December or will the
> veil of secrecy continue?


THE GREAT EQUINOX CONSPIRACY ?? Brings to mind a couple words; TABLOID SENSATIONALISM.

You've copy and pasted your critique of Minelabs' roll out of the Equinox on multiple forums. In it you've accused Minelab of a Conspiracy (see your headline). Having followed the roll out of the Equinox myself somewhat closely, you seem to be pointing out a picture that I don't see.

What is Minelabs' secret plot here?

As a person on a wait list to purchase an Equinox 800, how is it that I am being taken advantage of ?


Rich (Utah)

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Just one more good target before I go.

ANYONE wanting to purchase ANYTHING now days tries to get INTERNET information...... and we LOVE to.....shall we say share. No one wants to be THAT PERSON who bought something "a pig in a poke" especially a piece of electronics that cant be returned easily if it works......especially, if the reviews months down the line...... arent good. $800 for electronics now days with cell phones and such dont seem to be a big deal...... but to some of us it is. So ya ... if you want to leak there is a piece of equipment that OBSOLETES what we have then we'd like information...... thats who we are now days too. Changing with the times..........we are information hungry now days.

Dew

I know that you all don't see many posts from me, and that's because I don't bring much to the table in these conversations. But I'm here every day religiously, reading every post. It gives me something to pass the winter and these balmy 10 degree days. There is so much going on with the release of the Nox on the forums that I have my soap opera fix every day! I personally love reading everything that is posted. Good and bad! I know that someday the Nox will be revealed and I'll have that much more to read as I patiently wait for all the used deals to start popping up! So in the spring when everyone is trying to offload their Nox, Shoot me a PM! Until then, I'll just keep quietly reading and maybe even toss in a post or two! Merry Christmas to all of you! And thanks for keeping my down season filled with forum joy!

Gonebeepin' Wrote:
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> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The great Equinox conspiracy.
> >
> > Late July 2017: An advertisement of a per
> so
> > n parachuting with a large Minelab banner and th
> e
> > headline stating, "Get the drop on Minelab's sen
> sa
> > tional new metal detector", begins to circulate
> th
> > e forums. There is an advertised date of Septemb
> er
> > 16, 2017 for the release of information at the m
> et
> > al detecting festival called "detectival". Some
> sp
> > eculation as to what this may be is discussed, b
> ut
> > nothing concrete appears.
> >
> dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. . . . .
> >
> > Conclusion: "The very word 'secret' in ou
> r
> > society is repugnant" said John F. Kennedy. With
> t
> > he possible release date 17th fast approaching i
> n
> > 3 days, will it be release in December or will t
> he
> > veil of secrecy continue?
>
>
> THE GREAT EQUINOX CONSPIRACY ?? Brings to
> mind a couple words; TABLOID SENSATIONALISM.
>
> You've copy and pasted your critique of Minelabs'
> roll out of the Equinox on multiple forums. In it
> you've accused Minelab of a Conspiracy (see your h
> eadline). Having followed the roll out of the Equ
> inox myself somewhat closely, you seem to be point
> ing out a picture that I don't see.
>
> What is Minelabs' secret plot here?
>
> As a person on a wait list to purchase an Equinox
> 800, how is it that I am being taken advantage of
> ?
>
>
> Rich (Utah)

The term "conspiracy" is not a dirty word. For further clarification, here is the definition in the context I am using it:

to conspire meaning: to join in a secret agreement

BTW I have said nothing about the testers, nor asked about their field reports. Companies like Nokta are transparent. You post a question and get a near instant response. This should be the norm Interacting with consumers. This was a main drive of the article.

As of today, my season is over. The ground is solid so there isn't anything I could do even if I did get it except a review and air test videos.

This was simply an article to stimulate conversation. If you and others feel my articles are inappropriate here then tell me, I will stop posting them.

Beyonder,

The word conspiracy usually carries with it a negative meaning, like a plot, trickery, etc.

I don't think it is a good idea, or fair to link this with an already successful metal detecting manufacturer.
Especially since I don't think you have even physically seen or handled the Equinox, nor can depend on any info currently supplied by anyone who has a declared "production" unit.

I mean I could understand this being applied to a supposed snake oil salesman, etc.

So your title or motives here I consider not in good taste- taboo actually.

Other manufacturers here may be reading and we sure don't want to turn them away from sharing "limited" info on future units coming to the market.

Now, if you have things you wish to address as far as your disagreements with how Minelab or any other manufacturer or even a tester of a detector has talked about or presented by all means fair game.

And I am sure some of the testers and or manufacturers would be interested in your perspective.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Beyonder,
>
> The word conspiracy usually carries with it a nega
> tive meaning, like a plot, trickery, etc.
>
> I don't think it is a good idea, or fair to link t
> his with an already successful metal detecting man
> ufacturer.
> Especially since I don't think you have even physi
> cally seen or handled the Equinox, nor can depend
> on any info currently supplied by anyone who has a
> declared "production" unit.
>
> I mean I could understand this being applied to a
> supposed snake oil salesman, etc.
>
> So your title or motives here I consider not in go
> od taste- taboo actually.
>
> Other manufacturers here may be reading and we sur
> e don't want to turn them away from sharing "limit
> ed" info on future units coming to the market.
>
> Now, if you have things you wish to address as far
> as your disagreements with how Minelab or any othe
> r manufacturer or even a tester of a detector has
> talked about or presented by all means fair game.
>
> And I am sure some of the testers and or manufactu
> rers would be interested in your perspective.

As an artist, I believe the function of art is to shock, disturb, and awake. I choose the term "Conspiracy" for just that reason. The term to me is subjective. Some find the term offensive, others don't care because they read the article and try to interpret the meaning of what the article is about, not what is perceived by just one word.

Stop playing word games and twisting every thing just to save face, To 99.9% of the world the word conspiracy means made up BS, And I don't put much faith in people who scribble on paper and then expect the rest of the world to guess what it is,

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Stop playing word games and twisting every thing j
> ust to save face, To 99.9% of the world the word c
> onspiracy means made up BS, And I don't put much f
> aith in people who scribble on paper and then expe
> ct the rest of the world to guess what it is,


Seems this is more personal to you than objective.

Beyonder

As an "artist" do you think your post accomplished your objective?

Replies seem to indicate otherwise and only point how far you are from the mainstream. Perhaps you should stick with a venue that appreciates your art.

Tom

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In a democracy, it is difficult to win fellow citizens over to your own side, or to build public support to remedy injustices that remain all too real when you fundamentally misunderstand how they see the world.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stop playing word games and twisting every thing
> j
> > ust to save face, To 99.9% of the world the word
> c
> > onspiracy means made up BS, And I don't put much
> f
> > aith in people who scribble on paper and then ex
> pe
> > ct the rest of the world to guess what it is,
>
>
> Seems this is more personal to you than objective.

No not at all, I don't give a Rats, seems like conspiracy nuts are everywhere spreading lies, it's on the TV and the news and you tube and thanks to you it is now here,

When I hear the word conspiracy....my mind doesn't go negative. Conspiracy theory's tell me that people are thinking and trying to solve something. Tells me this something is important to them and they are excited to know. Many conspiracy theories fit the facts when the facts are revealed. We all do it when we are concerned or interested.

ozzie Wrote:
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> When I hear the word conspiracy....my mind doesn't
> go negative. Conspiracy theory's tell me that peop
> le are thinking and trying to solve something. Tel
> ls me this something is important to them and they
> are excited to know. Many conspiracy theories fit
> the facts when the facts are revealed. We all do i
> t when we are concerned or interested.

No it don't, conspiracy crap is just something idiots use to make them selves sound important where they make up lies and then get butt hurt because no one believes them, go and read the last 2 sections of his first post, the bloke is a bloody whack job.

The Equinox will be released when Minelab says it is ready for shipping and not before and not because someone starts spreading Lies about them.

ozzie Wrote:
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> When I hear the word conspiracy....my mind doesn't
> go negative. Conspiracy theory's tell me that peop
> le are thinking and trying to solve something. Tel
> ls me this something is important to them and they
> are excited to know. Many conspiracy theories fit
> the facts when the facts are revealed. We all do i
> t when we are concerned or interested.

Thank you Ozzie!
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> auminesweeper Wrote:

"...and thanks to you it is now here,"

You give me too much credit
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"Beyonder

As an "artist" do you think your post accomplished your objective?

Replies seem to indicate otherwise and only point how far you are from the mainstream. Perhaps you should stick with a venue that appreciates your art.

Tom"

Did I shock, awake, disturb? I think I have. As for how far I am from the mainstream, that is subjective as well. We can't "know" how everyone feels.

.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> You give me too much credit
> ------

You Wish.

Beyonder,

If I didn't know better I would be thinking you and Kemper have been drinking out of the same well.

Better stick to your day job whatever that is.

I think you have art confused somehow.

I am smart enough to see this, not a rocket scientist mind you.

My pet conspiracy theory is does Santa Claus really exist? is there really a factory churnning out toys or is it fake news.

We see thousands of pictures of this jolly fat white bearded guy coming out of the sky ,plastered everywhere on the media.

I don't think he heard how many little boys and little girls really want the new toy Nox. and are getting cranky.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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>
> The term "conspiracy" is not a dirty word. For fur
> ther clarification, here is the definition in the
> context I am using it:
>
> to conspire meaning: to join in a secret agree
> ment
>
>
> As an artist, I believe the function of art is to shock, disturb, and awake.
> I choose the term "Conspiracy" for just that reason. The term to me is subjective.
> Some find the term offensive, others don't care because they read the article and
> try to interpret the meaning of what the article is about,
> not what is perceived by just one word.
>

Good morning Beyonder-PA,

I'm here at the side of your easel, contemplating the picture you're painting for us.

I really think you selected the wrong headline for this Forum Topic you started. If I were to use a phrase to describe, I would have to say Bait and Switch.

You started off describing a dark and sinister picture of Minelab, yet your brush strokes and color selection are of Dilek and Alper on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.



> Companies like Nokta
> are transparent. You post a question and get a nea
> r instant response. This should be the norm Intera
> cting with consumers. This was a main drive of the
> article.

> This was simply an article to stimulate conversati
> on. If you and others feel my articles are inappro
> priate here then tell me, I will stop posting them
> .

Keep in mind, that whether a writer, artist, student or teacher, or one who simply appreciates the beauty of the world around us, we always have to consider the audience we are speaking to and how THEY will interpret what we share.


Rich (Utah)

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Just one more good target before I go.

Minelab has no worries. They are always being picked on. That right there tells you a lot of people are scared on how good they are. I just laugh at the different ways people try and incite controversy with them and their products. The Equinox frightens a lot of non Minelab people. The silence makes it even worse lol I will patiently wait for mine to get to me. When it does I will post how horrible it is

coinnut Wrote:
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> Minelab has no worries. They are always being pick
> ed on. That right there tells you a lot of people
> are scared on how good they are. I just laugh at t
> he different ways people try and incite controvers
> y with them and their products. The Equinox fright
> ens a lot of non Minelab people. The silence makes
> it even worse lol I will patiently wait for mine t
> o get to me. When it does I will post how horrible
> it is

I am not a ML user but I wish them well with their new machine, I don't believe all the hype but I do believe that it will be a real good machine as always, and it will make a lot of people happy in the process.

Seems the Sovereigns are being off loaded.
Wonder why?

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Seems the Sovereigns are being off loaded.
> Wonder why?


A couple easy reasons..... too dam heavy and would not pick up clad if their batteries depended on it and that twit selling the swingy thingy has to much time on his hands.. I have yet to see anyone with that silly harness....but to be honest do have one somewhere in the house and have owned 3 Sov's. hh

People are trying to unload for the Nox. I really can't see paying 600.00 for an out of warranty Sovereign GT when you can spend a little more for the Equinox. To be honest I see part of Minelab's prophecy being fulfilled. The Equinox is already making detectors obsolete. Mostly their own. Used Sovereigns and Explorers....Used and New E Tracs....Those heavy fragile Excals.... Even the 705's. That 40 MHz frequency is sounding like a nice gold finding tool. Even the CTX is going to have to justify that price. The weight alone is very enticing for us old guys. Let's be honest......Does anyone seriously believe the new Equinox will not perform? Minelab has had consistent winners. And people have been known to pay two grand for a winner. Paying 900.00 is a no brainer.

They've already made the bottom soft on the CTX resell value. Won't be long before the bottom falls out of them. I've seen them recently listed for $1150.

I still don't see why people are thinking "obsolete" means to render something unfunctional. Other detectors will still function. Obsolete to me, means that something is better or more convenient to the point that you won't want to use the older stuff. You can take a typewriter to the library and work on documents or writing...it still works. The computer and printer didn't make the typewriter quit functioning.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> They've already made the bottom soft on the CTX re
> sell value. Won't be long before the bottom falls
> out of them. I've seen them recently listed for $
> 1150.
>
> I still don't see why people are thinking "obsolet
> e" means to render something unfunctional. Other
> detectors will still function. Obsolete to me, me
> ans that something is better or more convenient to
> the point that you won't want to use the older stu
> ff. You can take a typewriter to the library and
> work on documents or writing...it still works. Th
> e computer and printer didn't make the typewriter> quit functioning.



I agree with your post....but often "obsolete" means NLA no longer available....I think ML rushed the promo's on this new model.
It's winter so guess we will wait for the spring if we are lucky.
I admit too many negative posts on this new model maybe just cabin fever.

It's not winter down south yet. We've not had our 2 weeks of 10 degrees yet. Supposed to be sunny and 50 here Saturday but I am stuck working all weekend. Has frosted a handful of times though. They are calling for thunderstorms and potentially severe weather for Christmas week here. I could probably still manage a water hunt or two if I had an underwater machine right now. I have a 7mm wetsuit.

Its the instant gratification we have come to expect from the age of internet. I can't recall in the short 10 years in this hobby of another new machine getting such fan fare or taking so long to hit the market after being announced. It will be interesting to see what if anything got changed after prototype came out. With the single and multi frequency it appears to be an all around MD.

The detector market has changed. The hype of the Equinox has a firm hold on prices of other models. If this detector delivers look out. I hope you love those detectors in your closet.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Beyonder,
>
> If I didn't know better I would be thinking you an
> d Kemper have been drinking out of the same well.
>
> Better stick to your day job whatever that is.
>
> I think you have art confused somehow.
>
> I am smart enough to see this, not a rocket scient
> ist mind you.


If you are referring to Kemper saying that Whites was ripping people off by not recalling the MX Sport, I don't think you are making a fair comparison. The members here could have pushed Whites and perhaps have gotten the MX Sport recalled. Those detectors that were released with defects, and have not been recalled or sent in for repair ,will continue to be a stain on the hobby.

goodmore Wrote:
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> The detector market has changed. The hype of the E
> quinox has a firm hold on prices of other models.
> If this detector delivers look out. I hope you lov
> e those detectors in your closet.

I do---no prob!