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Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program

Posted by Sod-buster 
Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 11, 2018 01:07AM
I had a gent respond to me over on the detector prospect forum.
He lives in England and got to telling me how dissapointed he was in the ellliptical HF coil performance in polluted sites with wet ground using the more traditional programs.
He said he had been doing well with gold field program.

Well today I tried the gold field program in my detector testing site.
Ran mostly the elliptical HF coil, but did run the round HF coil using gold field program a little bit.

Using gold field program is definitely an added weapon with Deus and HF coils -both of them.

I don't think I Have seen a comparison video here of the round 9" LF coil vs the 9" round HF coil.
Well anyway, I've got news for folks here, the HF round coil will it seems based on my testing best or tie the using 14.4khz vs running the 9"LF coil at 18khz.
Flip the freq to 28.8 kHz on HF coil and some things get even better.

Also of note here.
Gold field program comparing the 9"LF coil and the round 9" HF coil.
Again using 14.4khz seems to kick the 9" LF coils booty when using highest frequency. Separation and unmasking.

I don't know what XP did to the round HF coil, but believe me, they didn't just add higher freq bands and call it a day.

Thought I would share.
Gold field good for polluted sites, open field relic hunting. Both HF coils.

Strange thing happened today too.
Elliptical coil in gold field program giving tone,,Imauspected iron by the signature /behavior. Flipped to hot program, no signal,period. Spent a lot of time over this target. Even 0 disc full tones no signal. Reactivty settings the same between the hot and gold field program. Only way I could get a signal in hot program was dialing disc down to -4.2.. Tone pretty good here but adjusting disc down just a tad more -4.5 tone better. Turned out to be a sizeavle piece of iron. Will post a pic. Quarter in pic for scale. f

Running gold field program targets don't have to be so flushed sweep wise to locate.
A user can check targets using more typical program after locating suspect.
Beware doing though,,today when I checked a couple no way in high heavens would I have dug.
And both targets tuned out to be nonferrous. Button and piece of lead,,pretty big too.

Forgot to say, using elliptical a HF coil down the barrel testing using nail and higher conductive coin, coin can be slid in more from nail's end and give signal using gold field program compared to other programs.
IAR setting maxed for hunting today and for the test I conducted after getting back.
Cheers and happy trails.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2018 01:27AM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 11, 2018 04:05PM
Not very easy to decipher - I tried twice.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 11, 2018 04:24PM
Some nonferrous will be located using gold field program that will be tonally indecipherable using other more conventional programs and settings. And some nonferrous targets will yield overall more fuller, more intelligent signals vs using other more traditions programs with ideal huntable settings.

Some nonferrous targets will be detected by both gold field and some other programs with more ideal settings.

Would I consider using gold field program as my first choice in a site I have never detected before ? No

But for sites that have seen detecting action previously, definitely !!!

And me saying the above is based on just 3 hours of using gold field program in one previously hard hunted site. And yes I did do comparisons while over suspect targets.
So Deus vs Deus here.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2018 04:33PM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 11, 2018 04:25PM
Excellent summary - thanks!

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 12, 2018 03:03PM
Little illustration here to show gold field, what it might do for a user of Deus with elliptical HF coil.

Take a look at pic below, square nail with clad dime (high conductor).



Down the barrel sweep.

So using the hot program, using disc with different Reactivty using 14.4khz- good luck finding this dime sweeping down the barrel, no signal at all I can here to tell me to investigate
Switch to 28.8khz use Reactivty 3 and 4 - good luck too,,a user on their best day might find the dime sweeping down the barrel of nail, a very , very light glint of tone, I rate here as -- I know the dime exist as far as what I hear,, little to no coil height variation available here either,,,to hear the best possible although shoddy very coil,height and sweep speed critical.

Gold field,program Reactivty 2.5 and 3 sweeping down the barrel IAR setting to 5,, user will hear tone to investigate,,,sweep speed forgiving too, coil height variation good too to hear this dime. Reactivity 3 more forgiving sweep vs 2.5 setting.



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2018 03:22PM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 12, 2018 03:41PM
Another pic here same 2 things used. Notice dime has been moved more inside nail.

Here no huntable settings I can find using 14.4kh and 28.8 kHz (didn't try 74khz), using disc mode to give me signal down the barrel that dime exist.

Gold field IAR 5 Reactivty 2.5 and 3 using 28.8 kHz does give signal with level 3 giving more sweep speed allowance and level 2.5 giving me more coil height allowance.



Btw remove dime and sweep with IAR at 5 no tone provided on nail.

One more peek here.

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Half dime and nail.
Again no settings huntable using disc mode freqs 14.4khz and 28.8khz to give me anything tonally half dime is there down the barrel sweep.
Gold field does using 28.8 kHz Reactivty levels 2.5 and 3,,, didn't try any other Reactivty settings.

Again remove coin no tone using gold field IAR 5 setting sweeping down the barrel.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/12/2018 04:05PM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 12, 2018 04:32PM
I lied one more pic here.

How do the 9" LF coil using gold field compare to the 9" HF coil.
One test to show.

This pic a nail and clad dime.



Down the nail barrel sweep.
HF round 9" coil using 14.4khz here outperforms the LF 9" coil while running 18khz.
Switch HF coil to 28.8khz signal gets even better.

In this test signal rating using 3 Reactivty for both coils.
LF coil in 18khz a shade above shoddy.
HF coil in 14.4khz decent.
HF coil in 28.8 kHz good.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 02:23PM
The thing about using Gold Field.
We as detectorist need something to get us to stop, investigate.

And usually this investigating includes turning on a suspect target.
In the examples I used above, when a person does turn they will get even better signal and yes a use can examine these targets when turned using disc mode and appropriate settings and indeed get a better signal saying dig me.

Using Gold Field for 6 hours in the same site actually proved interesting and useful to me.

Some smaller items I found (nonferrous) using gold field, more coil height noted on these and fuller, longer signals vs more traditional programs with peak settings.
Everyone always seems to do these tests by laying the coin next to a piece of iron which doesn't really simulate in-ground conditions.

In the ground, the coin is more often than not, below the iron.

Try putting a 1" board over the coin. Mark the exact location of the coin on top of the board. Then lay the nail(s) on top of the board. You will see how it changes everything and better simulates a real world situation.

A good way to mark the location of the coin, is to drill a hole in the board and tape the coin over the hole. Try it.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 02:56PM by Badger in NH.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 02:54PM
Badger in NH Wrote:
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> Everyone always seems to do these tests by laying
> the coin next to a piece of iron which doesn't rea
> lly simulate in-ground conditions.
>
> In the ground, the coin is more often than not, be
> low the iron.
>
> Try putting a 1" board over the coin. Mark the exa
> ct location of the coin on top of the board. Then
> lay the nail(s) on top of the board. You will see
> how it changes everything and better simulates a r
> eal world situation.
>
> .


You are correct here.
3D scenarios do change the detecting equation.
But, odds are if a detector/coil/settings setup won't detect in a 2D scenario, you can hang it up for the 3D scenario. So like passing go here for passage of 2D detection.
Should add here, 2 of my best finds from 2017 came from a mere 4" deep. I had evidently been walking on top of these finds for around 6 years on and off, mostly on..
If I would have known what I was about to dig,,,I would have left these in the ground.
Why?
Would have been some good targets for testing detectors on.
Might have told me some thing valuable.

The Gold Field program being AM program, some folks thinking use for depth.
They may have overlooked at using as an unmasker/separator.

Maybe a question here for the "experts".
What other detectors actually have speed adjustable (recovery) all metal feature ?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 03:06PM by Sod-buster.
What I was getting at is that 3D is the better scenario.

Had you used a 3D situation, the test would have much more meaning. Simply laying a coin next to a nail doesn't tell us much as far as masking is concerned.

Even laying the nail on top of the coin is not as good a test as laying the nail 1" above the coin.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 03:07PM by Badger in NH.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 03:23PM
Badger in NH Wrote:
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> What I was getting at is that 3D is the better sce
> nario.
>
> Had you used a 3D situation, the test would have m
> uch more meaning. Simply laying a coin next to a n
> ail doesn't tell us much as far as masking is conc
> erned.
>
> Even laying the nail on top of the coin is not as
> good a test as laying the nail 1" above the coin.
>
> .

I test 3D scenarios.
A roll of duct tape 2" and 3" wide will do.
Also one of those big sponges like you wash a car with works too, allows for nail(s) to be oriented vertically.

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With this snow, detecting on hold for me, so I may try at least to get out and do some 3 d test wth gold field.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 03:28PM by Sod-buster.
Foam insulation board works well too.

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Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 04:25PM
Thanks for all the work Sod-Buster. very interesting. Gives us one more tool to try to find that elusive good target.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 05:03PM
martygene Wrote:
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> Thanks for all the work Sod-Buster. very interesti
> ng. Gives us one more tool to try to find that elu
> sive good target.


You are welcome.

Folks also shouldn't forget, you can actually make a second gold field program with a different IAR setting.
So a user could hunt in one gold field program, check with another gold field program, and or check with non gold field program.

I was very satisfied with the stability of the gold field program, using both HF coils, elliptical HF coil a tad more stable though.

There is some tone nuance using gold field too. Now I am not about to say currently I have mastered or even gotten good with listening to it, but the nuance is there. A nice little hollow sounding tone,,iron makes a more robust yelling at you tone. Now this would be on coin sized and smaller targets. A hoard or car hood might sound different.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 05:10PM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 05:13PM
Hi Sod Buster, That's COLD !!!! How can I search for (Dan Pa) I hear he is on this Forum ???
First time on this forum, If theirs a Question thread sorry, I will go their if I can find it,
wear do I go too get this response, Thank You. (Micfin)
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 05:24PM
Micfin Wrote:
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> Hi Sod Buster, That's COLD !!!! How can I searc
> h for (Dan Pa) I hear he is on this Forum ???
> First time on this forum, If theirs a Question thr
> ead sorry, I will go their if I can find it,
> wear do I go too get this response, Thank You. (
> Micfin)


Welcome to the forum.

Here is Dan's profile you can send him private message by selecting pm here.

You can ask questions here publically if you want and feel comfortable.
This forum unlike most others has no subforums. Just one main area to post, read.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 05:28PM by Sod-buster.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 05:43PM
You should know, you had one, the Signum lol
Can you do it with the Rutus aswell, i can't remember?

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Maybe a question here for the "experts".
> What other detectors actually have speed adjustabl
> e (recovery) all metal feature ?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 05:48PM by ghound.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 06:08PM
Thanks Sod Buster 4R Dan,s PM , Is their a Help on how too Navigate this forum,
How can I get too the Fisher Question place,
Thanks 4R the Welcoming me, Micfin
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 06:59PM
Gent that put me on gold field using HF coils, has posted over on detector prospector forum.
In old Roman site, he used xy screen with gold field and had good results for IDing nonferrous.

I'll have to play with, when the snow melts.
Re: Deus HF coils - they deserve respect,Relic hunters gotta try gold field program
January 13, 2018 09:12PM
Alright,
Some preliminary results based on test using clad dime and a few nails down the barrel. (Elliptical HF only for now).
My new friend in UK didn't lie to me.

Using xy screen and gold field,,tremendous asset based on my test.

Mr Southern if he chooses to do a video showing this, folks will definitely take notice.
Need to check using LF 9" coil and the round HF coil.

Gold field when set up right will defintiely alert user in nails of some nonferrous. And user will have a pretty good idea, target is nonferrous too.
You try to detect these same scenarios I did today with traditional programs,,and whatever huntable settings you think you can come up with- no dice for detection and be able to discern ferrous vs nonferrous.

One pic here. Nail and clad dime. Roll of tape used to reference my coil,height sweep.
Gold field 28.8 kHz 3 Reactivty gives good signal. IAR set to 5. Reactivity 2.5 hits the coin too.
Xy screen shows nonferrous target based on positioning of trace. Sweep nail solo you get ferrous trace on xy screen.

Nokta Impact wearing 4x7" coil 20khz -- good luck getting a signal when sweeping down the barrel, at least some thing to make you curious.
Deus using traditions programs,,I can't find a set of settings to hit the dime I could use hunting a site with nails.
One thing I failed to mention. Using xy screen you lose your fast ground grab function using pinpoint button.





Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2018 09:50PM by Sod-buster.
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