THE NEW MAKRO KRUZER SERIES!

I would have to agree with Pimento, I would like to see the black buttons with some type of coloring on the button area itself. ON my test unit I am thinking of highlighting the buttons with some florescent nail polish. This is a minor thing and am sure than after a little use most users would get used to the placement and location and would be able to make adjustments without even looking.

Another neat thing about the Kruzer is that it takes the same style battery holder as the AT Pro which hold 4 AA batteries. This means the RNB rechargeable battery for the AT Pro will fit work on this unit and give you much additional detecting time should the internal battery go dead.
The unit I received had a carbon fiber lower rod which I am sure helps trim the weight if the unit. The arm cuff has also been redesigned and is a very comfortable fit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2018 01:30PM by choppadude.

Ssee the field test and bench test at the link below.

[www.metaldetector.com]







Dwayne.Tex

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a couple o
> f things. But......... while we are at it.........
> ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBTRACT
> ED from the platform?

Nothing if it delays release. They just mocked other companies for not having announced products ready.

That's the trouble with asking what we would change / improve etc, 5 minutes before product launch. Hardware changes take time to implement. And we can't make much comment about software related things without at least thoroughly reading the manual, and preferably having used the machine for many hours.

From Monte's post

The Kruzer will be out in February and possibly an Equinox by mid-April. I have a good friend who has ordered an Equinox so we should both have a waterproof detector in-hand by our WTHO get-together in late April. I can guarantee you we will be doing some side-by-side work with both models.

Where did you get a delivery date of the Equinox as mid-April. I've gotten no information from Minelab about that.

markg Wrote:
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> Where did you get a delivery date of the Equinox a
> s mid-April. I've gotten no information from Mine
> lab about that.

I was wondering that as well...doesn't match anything I have heard from anyone, up to this point...

Steve

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a couple o
> f things. But......... while we are at it.........
> ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBTRACT
> ED from the platform?


Make those push pads so you can actually see them/identify them.------"Normalization" TID on the three frequencies.

Normalize the TID numbers and add a bump to the pinpoint button so you can find it without looking for it.

It does have normalizing of the TID numbers or you can select standard.
One of my suggestions to Makro was a pin point "lock" ability like the CTX

Target ID works in all modes including GEN all metal mode. "Air testing" targets ID number pretty much the same in all modes. Gen mode vary within a few numbers vs. disc modes.

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

bado1 Wrote:
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>
> E-TRAC exchange program prior to XP.

Having had the ETRAC, I don't think I'd pony up the E-TRAC exchange program as any kind of shinning example, it was as I recall, an almost entirely useless application. Some chap in Europe put together a much, much better application, it was everything that the E-TRAC exchange program should've been. Hopefully ML learned something from that??

-Brian

Ok here my review about NEW MULTI KRUZER:

[www.youtube.com]

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a couple of things. But......... while we are at it.........
> ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBTRACTED from the platform?

Yes as others have mentioned, make the buttons a color that stands out. While testing the Multi Kruzer at city parks all day my last park test was done in the dark, and having easier to see buttons then all black with the black background, would be a huge benefit as detecting in the dark requires a flashlight as the buttons aren't backlit like on the Impact and Racers (that rubber material that glows in the dark would be awesome!). It's still doable, but really slows you down. I suggested to Dilek to put a high relief dot on the pinpoint button so that you can feel the pinpoint button with your thumb without having to look for it. I miss the trigger switch, but understand it's not practical to implement it on a waterproof detector.

What about button size and gloves?

Maybe too late.
But alternating color of buttons like red, blue and yellow would have been nice.
A user with experience would have drawn a pattern in their mind, and would likely accelerate button recognition function at a glance. Pinpoint button red for sure.


Since a waterproof unit.
Button colors using chartreuse, magenta, and one other color would work.
Maybe give the center up/down, plus and minus keys the same color-bright blue color.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/27/2018 10:20PM by Sod-buster.

Shelton Wrote:
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> Ok here my review about NEW MULTI KRUZER:
>
> [www.youtube.com]

Shelton nice review.....one thing, I believe the fast reactivity mode for the 3-TONE setting is up to GAIN setting of 89, not 90.
I asked Dilek if it was possible to implement the fast reactivity setting all the way to 99 GAIN, although if that's at the trade-off of depth, then I'd leave it as is.

Thank you mate.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > E-TRAC exchange program prior to XP.
>
> Having had the ETRAC, I don't think I'd pony up th
> e E-TRAC exchange program as any kind of shinning
> example, it was as I recall, an almost entirely us
> eless application. Some chap in Europe put togeth
> er a much, much better application, it was everyth
> ing that the E-TRAC exchange program should've bee
> n. Hopefully ML learned something from that??
>
> -Brian

Brian,
That was in response to a comment by Sod Buster. He seems to think that XP had the first up- date- able detector. CTX has it too ( before Deus) but Minelab never used it (once I think). You are correct...hopefully Minelab learned and will make better use of that feature on the Equinox.


Dean

bado1 Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > bado1 Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > E-TRAC exchange program prior to XP.
> >
> > Having had the ETRAC, I don't think I'd pony up
> th
> > e E-TRAC exchange program as any kind of shinnin
> g
> > example, it was as I recall, an almost entirely
> us
> > eless application. Some chap in Europe put toge
> th
> > er a much, much better application, it was every
> th
> > ing that the E-TRAC exchange program should've b
> ee
> > n. Hopefully ML learned something from that??
> >
> > -Brian
>
> Brian,
> That was in response to a comment by Sod Buster. H
> e seems to think that XP had the first up- date- a
> ble detector. CTX has it too ( before Deus) but Mi
> nelab never used it (once I think). You are correc
> t...hopefully Minelab learned and will make better
> use of that feature on the Equinox.
>
>
> Dean

Hey Dean,

Gotcha ya. It will be interesting to see if they do any software interface for the EQ, because I'm not sure if you really need it. On the Etrac and CTX the software to edit patterns and whatnot would be useful, but it doesn't really apply to the EQ.

-Brian

detectingMO Wrote:
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> NASA-Tom Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a couple
> o
> > f things. But......... while we are at it.......
> ..
> > ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBTRA
> CT
> > ED from the platform?
>
> Nothing if it delays release. They just mocked ot
> her companies for not having announced products re
> ady.


I have a problem here.
We have a manuafacturer debut a model series of detectors.
And say they will be available in Feb 2018.

We were just provided pictures lately.

Why couldn't folks have been shown pictures at least of this multi Kruzer for example, early on.

And let folks here ask questions and give their opinion of the positives and minuses.

Too much adhoc short notice going on here.

Like the secrecy is hurting the process.

I truly think now, some folks are becoming suspicious.
Meaning if I buy, will my detector be modded in the next few months making the unit I bought obsolete or not worth a hoot for resale later on.

Too many mods being done on units after release.

I think this could be in a sense overlooking the obvious.

I never did see posted just how many folks in the USA actually received a Kruzer in USA for testing.
And it seems some of these folks just got their test units.

My posting this is not to mean actual testers don't provide good feedback to the manufacturer.

The actual ergonomics, detector layout, the physical portions of the detector are just as important as the operation.
Give all their due.

I know everyone will likely not be satisfied all the time.

I do like a manufacturer who listens to customers, potential customers.
But the sequence of events gathering this feedback seems is becoming somewhat counterproductive.

I know it difficult, to have a perfect system.

I would like to have seen pics of Kruzer when it was known it would be sold one day. (In a far earlier stage of process).

I really don't see what that could have hurt.

And a manufacturer could indeed say no release date yet determined. But we are seeking feedback on this new coming model.

And as more and more things get nailed down, continually release pics after changes are made.

I think the detecting public would sincerely like to see the process of designing, making, altering a detector model be brought out into the open more.
I'll bet in the end, a better unit, more satisfied buyers.

waiting for garys reviews first

any hodo graph?

I think Makro could have picked a better choice of frequencies, for me 14Khz and 19Khz are too close together to make much difference in performance, yes there will be some difference but I think most people will favour 19Khz for its sensitivity to low and medium conductors and its unmasking ability.

14 Khz might go underused. I think a much higher frequency like 40 Khz would have made the detector more useful as a gold detector in the US and a super sensitive low conductor hunter in Europe. This is especially true when you consider the Equinox 800 will offer 40Khz as its upper frequency.

So for me 5khz 19 khz and 40 khz would make the detector more versatile.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NASA-Tom Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a coup
> le
> > o
> > > f things. But......... while we are at it.....
> ..
> > ..
> > > ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBT
> RA
> > CT
> > > ED from the platform?
> >
> > Nothing if it delays release. They just mocked
> ot
> > her companies for not having announced products
> re
> > ady.
>
>
> I have a problem here.
> We have a manuafacturer debut a model series of de
> tectors.
> And say they will be available in Feb 2018.
>
> We were just provided pictures lately.
>
> Why couldn't folks have been shown pictures at le
> ast of this multi Kruzer for example, early on.
>
> And let folks here ask questions and give their op
> inion of the positives and minuses.
>
> Too much adhoc short notice going on here.
>
> Like the secrecy is hurting the process.
>
> I truly think now, some folks are becoming suspici
> ous.
> Meaning if I buy, will my detector be modded in th
> e next few months making the unit I bought obsolet
> e or not worth a hoot for resale later on.
>
> Too many mods being done on units after release.
>
> I think this could be in a sense overlooking the o
> bvious.
>
> I never did see posted just how many folks in the
> USA actually received a Kruzer in USA for testing.
> And it seems some of these folks just got their te
> st units.
>
> My posting this is not to mean actual testers don'
> t provide good feedback to the manufacturer.
>
> The actual ergonomics, detector layout, the physic
> al portions of the detector are just as important
> as the operation.
> Give all their due.
>
> I know everyone will likely not be satisfied all t
> he time.
>
> I do like a manufacturer who listens to customers,
> potential customers.
> But the sequence of events gathering this feedback
> seems is becoming somewhat counterproductive.
>
> I know it difficult, to have a perfect system.
>
> I would like to have seen pics of Kruzer when it w
> as known it would be sold one day. (In a far earli
> er stage of process).
>
> I really don't see what that could have hurt.
>
> And a manufacturer could indeed say no release dat
> e yet determined. But we are seeking feedback on
> this new coming model.
>
> And as more and more things get nailed down, conti
> nually release pics after changes are made.
>
> I think the detecting public would sincerely like
> to see the process of designing, making, altering
> a detector model be brought out into the open more
> .
> I'll bet in the end, a better unit, more satisfied
> buyers.


Minelab did most of those things and has caught a lot of flack for it. Really hard to make some of you happy.

james1969 Wrote:
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> I think Makro could have picked a better choice o
> f frequencies, for me 14Khz and 19Khz are too clos
> e together to make much difference in performance,
> yes there will be some difference but I think most
> people will favour 19Khz for its sensitivity to lo
> w and medium conductors and its unmasking ability
> .
>
> 14 Khz might go underused. I think a much higher
> frequency like 40 Khz would have made the detector
> more useful as a gold detector in the US and a sup
> er sensitive low conductor hunter in Europe. This
> is especially true when you consider the Equinox 8
> 00 will offer 40Khz as its upper frequency.
>
> So for me 5khz 19 khz and 40 khz would make t
> he detector more versatile.


I Agree

Yeah, and Equinox is likely the Most Open Minelab has been with a detector pre release.

Reading information about a pre release detector actually cost a person nothing financially.

So, where is the BEEF?

A person can buy now if they desire or wait or not buy period.

Neither model detector has been criticized by an actual true consumer.

No where does it say, how any manufacturer can actually release a detector "the process".

You folks like the MX sport the way it materialized?
I didn't!!
And we saw videos too didn't we. Useless!!

Nothing wrong with watching manufacturers compete.

I love it actually.
Actually unless I'm mistaken looks like Minelab took a few tips from Dilek.
That should say some thing, right??

Don't forget, Garrett too I think took tips from Dilek with At Max rollout.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2018 05:19PM by Sod-buster.

Sod-buster Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NASA-Tom Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Very slight delay on Kruzer. Looking at a coup
> le
> > o
> > > f things. But......... while we are at it.....
> ..
> > ..
> > > ... what would YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE ADDED/SUBT
> RA
> > CT
> > > ED from the platform?
> >
> > Nothing if it delays release. They just mocked
> ot
> > her companies for not having announced products
> re
> > ady.
>
>
> I have a problem here.
> We have a manuafacturer debut a model series of de
> tectors.
> And say they will be available in Feb 2018.
>
> We were just provided pictures lately.
>
> Why couldn't folks have been shown pictures at le
> ast of this multi Kruzer for example, early on.
>
> And let folks here ask questions and give their op
> inion of the positives and minuses.
>
> Too much adhoc short notice going on here.
>
> Like the secrecy is hurting the process.
>
> I truly think now, some folks are becoming suspici
> ous.
> Meaning if I buy, will my detector be modded in th
> e next few months making the unit I bought obsolet
> e or not worth a hoot for resale later on.
>
> Too many mods being done on units after release.
>
> I think this could be in a sense overlooking the o
> bvious.
>
> I never did see posted just how many folks in the
> USA actually received a Kruzer in USA for testing.
> And it seems some of these folks just got their te
> st units.
>
> My posting this is not to mean actual testers don'
> t provide good feedback to the manufacturer.
>
> The actual ergonomics, detector layout, the physic
> al portions of the detector are just as important
> as the operation.
> Give all their due.
>
> I know everyone will likely not be satisfied all t
> he time.
>
> I do like a manufacturer who listens to customers,
> potential customers.
> But the sequence of events gathering this feedback
> seems is becoming somewhat counterproductive.
>
> I know it difficult, to have a perfect system.
>
> I would like to have seen pics of Kruzer when it w
> as known it would be sold one day. (In a far earli
> er stage of process).
>
> I really don't see what that could have hurt.
>
> And a manufacturer could indeed say no release dat
> e yet determined. But we are seeking feedback on
> this new coming model.
>
> And as more and more things get nailed down, conti
> nually release pics after changes are made.
>
> I think the detecting public would sincerely like
> to see the process of designing, making, altering
> a detector model be brought out into the open more
> .
> I'll bet in the end, a better unit, more satisfied
> buyers.

I agree.
It seems that if a company announces "too early" ( whatever that means?) prior to release the company gets flamed for dragging it's feet. Think Equinox. If the company releases with no prior warning or a bunch of build up testing prior to release then they get flamed as well. It's, basically, a no win situation. Personally, I like the way Nokta handled the Impact testing and release. So what if testing and tweaking delays the reIease? I want the final product to be thoroughly tested and tweaked before it gets in to my hands. Think MX Sport.

Dean

[m.youtube.com]


Multi Kruzer wet salty beach video
[m.youtube.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/28/2018 09:00PM by Sod-buster.

Cool.

bado1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > bado1 Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> >
> > >
> > > E-TRAC exchange program prior to XP.
> >
> > Having had the ETRAC, I don't think I'd pony up
> th
> > e E-TRAC exchange program as any kind of shinnin
> g
> > example, it was as I recall, an almost entirely
> us
> > eless application. Some chap in Europe put toge
> th
> > er a much, much better application, it was every
> th
> > ing that the E-TRAC exchange program should've b
> ee
> > n. Hopefully ML learned something from that??
> >
> > -Brian
>
> Brian,
> That was in response to a comment by Sod Buster. H
> e seems to think that XP had the first up- date- a
> ble detector. CTX has it too ( before Deus) but Mi
> nelab never used it (once I think). You are correc
> t...hopefully Minelab learned and will make better
> use of that feature on the Equinox.
>
>
> Dean

You are wrong XP were the first to release a detector that you could update yourself the XP Deus was released in 2009 the CTX 3030 came out in 2012