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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2018 10:57PM by Diggs4ever.

Sorry to hear this. After the initial hype they seemed to have " shut the front door".



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2018 07:34PM by woodchiphustler.

Diggs4ever Wrote:
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> The statement " Customers who have pre-ordered det
> ectors should thus expect to start receiving them
> from late January." Maybe they will give a upd
> ate on a Release date which isn't asking much. My
> detector sales have plummeted since they announced
> the Equinox everyone is simply waiting to purchase
> this unit and not buying any of the other brands c
> ausing a real strain for my business I must say. M
> inelab really needs to consider this when using su
> ch a sales technique. I'm sure other dealers are f
> eeling the crunch as well but can only speak for m
> yself.

Im sorry. This was an avenue I didn't predict but should have. They need to do something soon. Like tomorrow soon.

[www.timeanddate.com]

I doubt Minelab is even selling any other detectors if that helps comfort you at all.

Heck, if you are a minelab dealer, call minelab and give them a piece of your mind. Go right to the top. Telling us will do you no good.

I don't know if JASONPAZ1 on FM is a member on this fine forum, but he hit the nail on the head with a post that he recently made there:

Throughout my years as a forum member and my 30+ years of detecting, I have made some constructive criticism towards many manufactures without bias.
Criticism that is not so much about the performance of a particular machine, but criticism geared towards a company's lack of intelligent detector reveals and marketing.
I also have no problem trumpeting the success of a manufacture when they pull it off right.
I thought the initial reveal of a new machine by means of a subtle yet viral picture, that showed the outline of a detector under a sheet.
Behold the Fisher F75, that reveal was a great way of building an underground buzz that lead towards a broader anticipation.
Also, the reveal of the Garrett AT-PRO was cool with a further use of internet media which lead to the AT-PRO first tease promo video.
And the latest (until the Kruzer) "buzz" machine "tease" was the Minelab Equinox.
How do you top a video of a guy parachuting in with a new detector reveal?
Delivery by means of a UFO?
Although cool, the one thing all of those other manufactures lacked in their machine reveals is an immediate reveal of price, firm ( right around the corner) launch date, and available bench test and user feedback videos.
The difference between the Makro Kruzer reveal than the other guys reveals,is that the Kruzer has more meat and potatoes in the reveal rather then bells and whistles.
To me, this is the sign of a company (Makro/Nokta) who not only understands what we the detectorists want in a machine, but what we look for in a detectors initial reveal and spec info.
Just my opinion and I am not bashing or casting malice towards any other brand.
I enjoy studying detector tech and marketing techniques and it is also a way to beat cabin fever. Any day now I am suspecting I will see my first robin of the year.

Pretty well sums it up IMHO.

The entire used detector market is dead. Seller prices are low. This is a very unique situation for the hobby. You are not the only dealer complaining. Richard at FM has opined in the classifieds as well.

goodmore Wrote:
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> The entire used detector market is dead. Seller pr
> ices are low. This is a very unique situation for
> the hobby. You are not the only dealer complaining
> . Richard at FM has opined in the classifieds as w
> ell.


Is the Equinox or Minelab the blame??

Don't think so, more at fault here that meets the eye.

So who else??

Think about this.
When did the bomb F75 debut??
The White's V3i?
Garrett At Pro?
MX Sport p, well oh well.
At .Max just a refined AT Pro and Gold combined.

You see all we've been seeing for several years really for the most part is paint jobs or a few bells and whistles.

The Deus slipped into USA after the fact release wise so it didn't take off so fast. Plus it was foreign manufacturer, a manufacturer lots of folks had really never heard of.
But version update and HF coils are a contributing factor.- lot of folks are satisfied hence not interested in buying anything else model wise.
Up jumps Equniox and the manufacturer is talking about new tech.

So there is blame to go around here.

And if Equniox turns out to be a good one for the loot, who here thinks a lot of other models detectors will start actually selling well.
So if released, not a cure necessarily. Especially for non Minelab dealers.

Who here thinks Minelab sales haven't suffered as well.
How do I know they have?
Look around, you'll see the free 17" coil offered with CTX purchase.

The Equinox just happens to be filling a huge void time wise for a new tech, waterproof, lightweight detector.

I wish all metal,detector dealers the very best as well as all metal detector manufacturers.

I am not a one brand loyal detectorist.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2018 03:16AM by Sod-buster.

Aren't you the dude that is doing the give away of a Nox just to pump up your subscribership on youtube?
I didn't subscribe so I may be wrong and if so , I apologize.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2018 10:57PM by Diggs4ever.

Well if this NOX isn't what everyone thinks it is Minelab,,youtubers and facebookers are going to see the real ugly side of the internet LOL.
You think the Forum post are bad now I can only imagine if this thing flops.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Well if this NOX isn't what everyone thinks it is
> Minelab,,youtubers and facebookers are going to se
> e the real ugly side of the internet LOL.
> You think the Forum post are bad now I can only im
> agine if this thing flops.


On my channel at least I make no claims on the Nox and can't wait to see how it stacks up against the Deus, Ctx, I wonder if it will be my first out as well lol. I don't think the Nox can flop just for the fact of the price point and the waterproof, wireless integration. Even if it's on par with the AT Pro lets say then still a good machine for the price.

Sod-Buster brings up a good point...If the Nox does well, then just releasing it isn't going to help sales of other machines. A good performance by the Nox, post release, will hurt other manufacturer's sales even more. Most are not early adopters and will wait even longer. As I and others mentioned previously, VLF is pretty much done. Minelab is abandoning it (VLF) and moving ahead with it's new tech. That says a lot! I was hoping that Nok/Mak was going to release something other than repackaged VLF. I believe that they will (next year), as they are an awesome company and really moving the industry forward. I don't believe that the sales of Kruzers will come even close to that of the Equinox. I'm not knocking Nok/Mak...that's just the way I see it. I think most of us are eager for new tech... be it Multi IQ or something else... no matter who introduces it.

Dean

5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ is just how it's processed,right?
Fill me in on this.

PhDtector Wrote:
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5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ is just how it's processed,right?
Fill me in on this.
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Yes, the Equinox is a VLF detector.

I think what they mean is that single frequency detector technology has reached a dead end.

VLF just refers to the frequency range.

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PhDtector Wrote:
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> 5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ is jus
> t how it's processed,right?
> Fill me in on this.

No. Multi IQ is a true multi frequency mode similar to BBS, FBS. The Nox has the option of using select-able single frequency VLF or multi frequency. Multi IQ is a completely new type of simultaneous multi frequency technology.

Dean

bado1 Wrote:
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> PhDtector Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ is j
> us
> > t how it's processed,right?
> > Fill me in on this.
>
> No. Multi IQ is a true multi frequency mode simila
> r to BBS, FBS. The Nox has the option of using sel
> ect-able single frequency VLF or multi freq
> uency. Multi IQ is a completely new type of simult
> aneous multi frequency technology.

But it's still using vlf frequencies no matter how you slice it.
>
> Dean

As today is the last day of January and so far rather quiet. I am wondering if the 'Nox is the unicorn of detectors? I still wait patiently(?) for my order to ship from the dealer and think of unicorns wondering if I missed the point...

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

I'm sure he'll be updating this thread soon.

Yea the announcement is supposedly on this Friday

Here is what might happen.

If logistically set up smart way to do, save shipping loot to for manufacturer.

We may see dealers receive just one of each unit physically for demo purposes.

And get allocations at first.

Then dealers will take orders or use preorder info/loot, and order from warehouse.
Hence drop ship the units.

Would accelerate the pipeline process for actual transportation time.

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> Yea the announcement is supposedly on this Friday


I heard the same thing as well.......

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TNdirtdigger Wrote:
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> Jesse Wrote:
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> > Yea the announcement is supposedly on this Frida
> y
>
>
> I heard the same thing as well.......

Yep.

PhDtector Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
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> -----
> > PhDtector Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > 5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ is
> j
> > us
> > > t how it's processed,right?
> > > Fill me in on this.
> >
> > No. Multi IQ is a true multi frequency mode simi
> la
> > r to BBS, FBS. The Nox has the option of using s
> el
> > ect-able single frequency VLF or multi fr
> eq
> > uency. Multi IQ is a completely new type of simu
> lt
> > aneous multi frequency technology.
>
> But it's still using vlf frequencies no matter how
> you slice it.
> >
> > Dean


I'm guessing that you are correct from a technical stand point. I'm no electrical engineer so I can't go to that level of explanation. I do know that Multi frequency becomes (or is) some thing different than VLF and that the detecting community does not refer to it as VLF. It is refered to as MF, FBS,BBS, and now Multi IQ. It certainly acts different than single freq VLF. There have been very technical papers written on it so you can research it.

Dean

bado1 Wrote:
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> PhDtector Wrote:
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> -----
> > bado1 Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > PhDtector Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > 5 khz thru 40 khz IS vlf isn't it? Multi IQ
> is
> > j
> > > us
> > > > t how it's processed,right?
> > > > Fill me in on this.
> > >
> > > No. Multi IQ is a true multi frequency mode si
> mi
> > la
> > > r to BBS, FBS. The Nox has the option of using
> s
> > el
> > > ect-able single frequency VLF or multi
> fr
> > eq
> > > uency. Multi IQ is a completely new type of si
> mu
> > lt
> > > aneous multi frequency technology.
> >
> > But it's still using vlf frequencies no matter h
> ow
> > you slice it.
> > >
> > > Dean
>
>
> I'm guessing that you are correct from a technical
> stand point. I'm no electrical engineer so I can't
> go to that level of explanation. I do know that Mu
> lti frequency becomes (or is) some thing different
> than VLF and that the detecting community does not
> refer to it as VLF. It is refered to as MF, FBS,BB
> S, and now Multi IQ. It certainly acts different t
> han single freq VLF. There have been very technica
> l papers written on it so you can research it.
>
> Dean

True. But even Minelab didn't say that MIQ obsoleted VLF, just that it obsoleted single frequency VLF detectors. Maybe someone in the know can interject here.



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