New Fisher Manta

Here’s a better picture of the controls. The previous one is the Russian webpage’s and is their copyright. This one is mine as is the coil pic.



Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Good picture......honestly that an impressive design. I was thinking no knobs......but this works and should be easy to adjust on the fly deep in the water. What kind of depth loss do you think there will be going from AM to Tone? I C a noise cancel. Did I see you say there were going to be other coils? hopefully a 9”. Just the right size for working wet sand. You can crank it up and look for those small gold targets easily at the 8” range and avoid processing a lot of material and others deep targets.

Noise cancel is manual. You set the mode switch to noise cancel and then the Pulse Delay/Noise Cancel knob selects the various frequencies- you leave it on the one you want and then change the mode knob to either All Metal or one of the 2 “discriminate” modes. In the tone or mute mode, the Iron Mask control varies the “effect” of the discrimination from minimum to maximum.

The depth in All Metal is greater than in the tone or mute discrim modes - I don’t know if the Iron Mask control changes how much depth difference you have as you increase the Iron Mask setting.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Noise cancel is manual. You set the mode switch t
> o noise cancel and then the Pulse Delay/Noise Canc
> el knob selects the various frequencies- you leave
> it on the one you want and then change the mode kn
> ob to either All Metal or one of the 2 “discrimina
> te” modes. In the tone or mute mode, the Iron Mask
> control varies the “effect” of the discrimination
> from minimum to maximum.
>
> The depth in All Metal is greater than in the tone
> or mute discrim modes - I don’t know if the Iron M
> ask control changes how much depth difference you
> have as you increase the Iron Mask setting.


But where are your finds???are you allowed to show them

RR

I have handled one - I can say for certain that LE.JAG hasn’t exaggerated one bit about the capabilities of the machine - quiet and scary deep. More than that I won’t discuss.

I am not a tester and was allowed only a very short experience with it. I will buy one as soon as I can - I have previously owned a BHID, CZ6, TDI (2), DFPI, SDC2300 - it slays them all for depth and quiet operation.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Honestly Rich...... most people THINK they know how deep they are digging targets out deep. Id bet most were bad PPing or not nearly as deep if they could go down and fan the target. They would get a real surprise. Digging a target at a TRUE 17' ... chest deep, i best KNOW its not iron because you will be straddling the hole trying to keep your nose above water........ whose been there done that lol? You are going to be digging craters ..... thats why i plan on using it for smaller gold in the 8" range in the wet sand MOST machines arent finding..... even the NOX. This appears to have been a subject worth revisiting it seems ...... heated discussion on other forums. I say .... rather than knock it...... dont buy it...... we will let you know what you missed......... and like the Nox..... many put on their sunglasses and ended up buying one.

Good one dew - did I screw up with the shift key somewhere and put 17’ instead of 17”? Oh well, sad to say that nickel I buried in the black sand stripes at Coronado beach in SDiego was only 43 cm down, a measly 17”. The Nox nailed it also - at 7”

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

See Rick's Post at Treasurenet

Remember the Manta? Now it’s official - meet the Fisher Impulse AQ

Tell us more

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beach-shallow-water/602606-remember-manta-now-s-official-meet-fisher-impulse-aq.html



DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

Im sorry to say that as im french, but i think this machine goes backward on almost everything exept it techno .

[*] Really expensive
[*] Heavy 1,6 - 1,8 kg
[*] Separate battery with only 10 hours
[*] only waterproof to 1m (simplex do better ...)
[*] new shaft end and lock not compatible with anything
[*] not polyvalent specialised for gold

Fisher your machine is gonna stay a niche for rich people or Professional miner .
like the gpx gpz and so on.

btw do rich people value their time this cheap to beachcomb.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2019 01:51AM by youdig.

youdig Wrote:
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> Im sorry to say that as im french, but i think thi
> s machine goes backward on almost everything exept
> it techno .
>
>
>

> [*] Really expensive
> [*] Heavy 1,6 - 1,8 kg
> [*] Separate battery with only 10 hours
> [*] only waterproof to 1m (simplex do better ...)
> [*] new shaft end and lock not compatible with any
> thing
> [*] not polyvalent specialised for gold
>

>
>
>
> Fisher your machine is gonna stay a niche for rich
> people or Professional miner .
> like the gpx gpz and so on.
>
> btw do rich people value their time this cheap to
> beachcomb.


So youre posting just because you are upset that you cant afford it, therefor you have to bash it? There is a huge multitude of detectors available to us. I don't attack the GPZ becuase its not what I need, I just don't buy one. If you don't WANT a manta, dont buy one. It's that simple.

Gold - if you don’t want to find any gold at the beach, don’t buy the AQ - that’s pretty much all its good for . And who wants gold anyway?

Yes it is a niche, and yes, some of us are rich , and yes even rich folks like a treasure hunt.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2019 03:17AM by lytle78.

youdig Wrote:
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> Im sorry to say that as im french, but i think thi
> s machine goes backward on almost everything exept
> it techno .
>
>
>

> [*] Really expensive
> [*] Heavy 1,6 - 1,8 kg
> [*] Separate battery with only 10 hours
> [*] only waterproof to 1m (simplex do better ...)
> [*] new shaft end and lock not compatible with any
> thing
> [*] not polyvalent specialised for gold
>

>
>
>
> Fisher your machine is gonna stay a niche for rich


> people or Professional miner .
> like the gpx gpz and so on.
>
> btw do rich people value their time this cheap to
> beachcomb.

Too expensive? My CTX cost $2500 8 years ago and look how many have sold...

Around 3.5lbs, is too heavy?? Sorry I work and workout for a living, won’t be a problem.

A 10hr battery isn’t enough? How many people are actually in the water that long anyway? I hear a lot of complaining here about how tough water hunting is, ok hmm.

I’m only wading at most chest deep like most hunters, 3 ft is just fine.

With all due respect, I think this new machine may be FISHERS finest moment....

Aaron



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2019 03:42AM by Aaron.

Im POOR lol. BUT..... im also retired and spend a good deal of my time beach combing as you call it. Yes there are some of us that are compulsive obsessive about detecting.... and it has nothing to do with making a living at it. Ill dig other targets..... but im looking for GOLD plan and simple. I appreciate hunting behind people digging those pennies and all the trash. A nitch machine..... a pi....is what we have to start with..... hopefully it will become a platform which will eliminate the need for VLFs for beach hunting. Most hunter have several machines..... to do different things..... are they nitch machines? Combine their prices. Unlike multi use machines ....that most get used for dirt hunting..... beach machines pay for themselves so most wont blink to many times at a high price tag anymore than a Aussie would for a ML to raw gold hunt with. This version wont replace a Nox for snow birds and weekend/vacation hunters...... UNLESS the review have us just pulling gold out by the handful......but im glad someone finally started looking serious at taking that leap forward with a PI and disc.

I understand what you said, but i think this machine is going against the evolution of what we've seen recently.
Im bashing it because of that, i dont bash the inventor i bash the brand.
I have hard time to see a future for this machine and this brand at this price...
If you can afford it, good for you , maybe you could repay your machine but in France its far to be a reality, people doesnt carry gold like that, most of the time it will be small jewerly , think about recovery time of small jewerly in deep wet sand too, there gonna be some physic limitation too.

I dont get fooled by le jag result ( as he probably cleaned the whole brittany dry already ) , i will check what will be the result of the regular french owner when it get out.

Btw i do hard workout too it has nothing to do that with that, the weight for me is more a tendon issue, best machine for that is a deus.

I followed the whole evolution of this machine since few year now, i dont understand why i shouldn't be able to criticize it ?
hopefully some brand listen what customer has to say, do you want to live in a country where nobody listen your feedback ( those country exist but it not america for what i know).

ps : still waiting for the mosca ><. ,



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2019 12:23PM by youdig.

Des D Wrote:
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> That coil cable out in front looks like it'll not
> retract back upon the coil and detect itself? Firs
> t time seeing that.


Wed

The more I look at it the more I think the coil is [ backwards ] It's mounted incorrectly?

Why would you place the cable out in front? Waves and weed will hit and unsettle as the cable moves about sometimes tugged by powerful water flow.
And it just 'looks wrong?'

Remember there were 'Equinox' photos also showing the coil mounted 'backwards!'

I've been at a fair amount of 'Expo's & Conventions' and in order to man a stand some ahem...'inexperienced staffer's' would be drafted in to help!

Lytle78...which way is the right way? And that RED cable is just the prototype huh? It'll be grey or some other color anything but red?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2019 12:33PM by Des D.

I have to agree with yondig. Metal detectors should be getting cheaper lighter etc. I would most likely buy this for the $600-$800 range. Well, we will see what 2020 brings.

"It's only when we lost everything, that we are free to do anything"

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> I have to agree with yondig. Metal detectors shoul
> d be getting cheaper lighter etc. I would most lik
> ely buy this for the $600-$800 range. Well, we wil
> l see what 2020 brings.


Apparently le jag said they are still discussing the price for eu market in the manta thread, i hope they will rethink about it for usa too.
Same than you for the price, top range md getting cheaper (thank to makro/nokta) anfibio , orx, and so on.

Hi,

my best hunt in 2018
106 gr of 18k in one week

at the current gold court, it would be paid back in a week
it was execptionnel?
yes, but I was already told that / 10 years ago
and I always find so much ....

there is much more gold under the sand
that most do not imagine





+ the coil cable is well mount
taken out front
normally we do not roll it around the cane
clips or scratch to keep it in a straight line
the spirals of the cable is not his adviser on a PI
they generate noise
but here, the armor is perfect
and it's not a problem anymore

+ the price is still not fixed
fake news from the Russian site

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Detector used : Fisher Aquamanta /

Pulsepower Goldscan 5c / Aquastar / Goldquest SSV3 / Nexus Coronado / Vista Gold

LEJAG,

How does the AQUAMANTA sound off on broken rings such as the one in your photo?

Also on crucifixes?

Thanks

Aaron



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LE.JAG Wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> my best hunt in 2018
> 106 gr of 18k in one week
>
> at the current gold court, it would be paid back i
> n a week
> it was execptionnel?
> yes, but I was already told that / 10 years ago
> and I always find so much ....
>
> there is much more gold under the sand
> that most do not imagine
>
>
>
>
>
> + the coil cable is well mount
> taken out front
> normally we do not roll it around the cane
> clips or scratch to keep it in a straight line
> the spirals of the cable is not his adviser on a P
> I
> they generate noise
> but here, the armor is perfect
> and it's not a problem anymore
>
> + the price is still not fixed
> fake news from the Russian site

Price is not fixed best new ever , heavy jewerly in france is either on very rich place or the jewerly is from prior 90 as i said lejag i will wait for the regular user result ( because you are not im not sure a lot of people will reach those result honestly at least in France .

Fisher has always been SLOW with the inception/release of top-end units. (((Not so....with the low/mid-range units))). But...…. when they come out with a new top-end unit...….. it is usually in the form of a Home-Run/Grand-Slam. Past practice dictates that: 10-years between Grand Slam releases. There has been a ton of time, labor, money, resources, engineering, logistics...… etc...….. that has gone into the Impulse (Manta)………. and...…… in order to keep the company afloat...……. they will not be able to give these things away. They will need to recoup a tremendous amount of prototype phasing wear-withal. And …… if this Impulse can punch to 17" on a Nickel...…… that took a TON of engineering.......... and: it'll be a game-changer. Yes..... there are questions like: Whilst in Disc/ID mode..... can it ID a Nickel as 'non-ferrous' to depths of: 15"...…. or 11". If you adjust Pulse Delay to detect small (and/or) tiny gold...… will you lose depth on rings/coins. How (hydrodynamic) easy is that coil to swing in the water. Does a GPX or GPZ detect a Nickel to 17" in the wet-salt.

(Just a few initial thoughts).

You're spot-on the money Tom.

The way I'm reading it is: the machine is able to switch to locate either LOW and no high conductors or HIGH and no low > a kind of reverse discrimination then the norm.
If they are then yes, tons of engineering and they must have looked at every other thing in huge detail and...theyr'e not finished yet!

"LEJAG" said: they recommend a straight cable and yes, the coil connector is out in front (so the coil isn't backwards as I thought)

I've had ML make me coils with extremely short cables and I was able to mount in a straight line up the shaft but I really cannot say if I ever noticed any improvements?
Perhaps not in the traditional VLF.
But maybe he's onto something with doing it on a PI.

I'd say you'd be 'pushing it' to hit a 17" nickel in wet sand with a GPX. But, with careful use of CANCEL, it might be achievable? There is s depth loss with Cancel.

Tom, were you always a wet beach hunter or did it come about with the MDT.



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Tom, On flagship releases of the past how long where they from this point to market?

((( You guys seem exceptionally excited.... about the final release of the Impulse!!! --For good reason-- )))

I can not..... and will not present a release-date. It is PARAMOUNT to 'get-it-right'.... rather than meet a redline, headline, deadline.

Minelab currently produces the Worlds best Multi-Frequency platforms. (((Only one example: Look at the tremendous sales of the EQX))). Minelab also produces the leading/premier Pulse Induction units. The Impulse/Manta may very well: change this status. BUT...… it is going to cost money. Maybe not at the MSRP level of the GPZ-7000...…… so...…… be thankful.

As a founding father and corporate business owner...…. I do have concern if Tom Walsh is 'prioritizing' the projects per Engineers mindset. , . , . , . , . and NOT to Marketing Dept woes before the product is even developed. Since Human Capital is every corporate entity's #1 asset. . . . . . . . . it is all-to-easy to err...… and have the marketing dept 'market' a product..... before it is even developed/finished. Sooooooo the Human Capital asset needs to yield to the Chief Design Engineer(s)……. to create the heart/blood of the entire premise of the company; that being: THE PRODUCT. One of my daughters has a hard time with 'focus'. This alone....can collapse any/all intelligible existence. Same holds true for: If a company/entity can not 'focus'; collapse will ensue. Prioritization efficientizes resources, maximizes ROI..... and REALLY reduces 'foolish-money'. Whites Electronics has lost these resources AND focus (and innovative engineering staff); hence, my fear of 'dissolve'. You do NOT want to see this.

Yes...….. I do believe the Impulse is 'due' … or slightly overdue. And this has NOTHING to do with us..... the end-user; rather, engineering-focus based. If Carl were to be 'yanked' off of this project...… and his time/engineering resources were spread/splattered on to a multitude of different projects; this alone....can destroy the base-blood of a true engineer...…. right at the heart of the psyche. Infringe upon this..... and the corporate entity has lost its base-platform blood...… inducing corporate collapse. This may not be happening at Fisher/FTP...…. at all; yet/hence.... I express my concern. (Due to incongruent marketing..... vs …..product roll-out time-frame).

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Fisher has always been SLOW with the inception/rel
> ease of top-end units. (((Not so....with the low/m
> id-range units))). But...…. when they come out wit
> h a new top-end unit...….. it is usually in the fo
> rm of a Home-Run/Grand-Slam. Past practice dictate
> s that: 10-years between Grand Slam releases. Ther
> e has been a ton of time, labor, money, resources,
> engineering, logistics...… etc...….. that has gone
> into the Impulse (Manta)………. and...…… in order to
> keep the company afloat...……. they will not be abl
> e to give these things away. They will need to rec
> oup a tremendous amount of prototype phasing wear-
> withal. And …… if this Impulse can punch to 17" on
> a Nickel...…… that took a TON of engineering......
> .... and: it'll be a game-changer. Yes..... there
> are questions like: Whilst in Disc/ID mode..... ca
> n it ID a Nickel as 'non-ferrous' to depths of: 15
> "...…. or 11". If you adjust Pulse Delay to detect
> small (and/or) tiny gold...… will you lose depth o
> n rings/coins. How (hydrodynamic) easy is that coi
> l to swing in the water. Does a GPX or GPZ detect
> a Nickel to 17" in the wet-salt.
>
> (Just a few initial thoughts).

Im going to have to disagree. I believe the the f75 was their last grand slam and that came out in 2005(?).We should of seen something in 2015.

My other point of contention is that "they will not be able to give these things away". Considering the market with Minelab and Nokta/Makro offering high quality machines at reasonable and affordable prices, this puts them in the lead for the average consumer's dollars(such as mine). If some consider $600-$800(which is a two week paycheck for me) a give away, then by all means, please give away that money to me.

So my choices as a consumer are:

I can either spend copious amounts of my very hard earned dollars on this product.

or

I can wait for a used one to go on sale.

Or

I can wait for one of the other manufactures to offer a different machine at an affordable price.

This may be game changing and innovative, it is also belonging to a niche market which furthers complicates getting the dollars from the mass of consumers. The game has changed and you have Nokta/Makro and Minelab to thank. I for one am grateful!

"It's only when we lost everything, that we are free to do anything"

Des...... my first thought was to reverse that cable...... but then i flipped it around in my mind....no can do right in the way of the shaft at its hunting angle. That .... i dont like. Back to the side the shaft displaces water and the cable isnt that much of a problem. Going to get a tad more drag ...... and that cable is going to vibrate... a LOT. Its 12.5...... thats a lot of coil to swing especially with that unique coil connector. They still look fragile to me. Based on those finds........ i want to move to France...... i think i could make a living there.

WHY ARE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE PRICE WHEN IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN ANNOUNCED????

Get a grip people, if you cannot afford it, don't buy it. If you have champagne taste but live on a beer budget, stick with Budweiser and not Dom Perignon.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> WHY ARE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE PRICE WHEN IT HA
> SN'T EVEN BEEN ANNOUNCED????
>
> Get a grip people, if you cannot afford it, don't
> buy it. If you have champagne taste but live on a
> beer budget, stick with Budweiser and not Dom Peri
> gnon.

We are consumers Cal. That's why. There was a price discussed which was incorrect. I was merely explaining my position. No need to get bent out of shape.

"It's only when we lost everything, that we are free to do anything"

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WHY ARE PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE PRICE WHEN IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN ANNOUNCED????
> >
> > Get a grip people, if you cannot afford it, don't buy it. If you have champagne taste but live on a beer budget, stick with Budweiser and not Dom Perignon.
>
> We are consumers Cal. That's why. There was a price discussed which was incorrect. I was merely explaining my position. No need to get bent out of shape.


I'm not bent out of shape, I simply fail to understand the banter about an imagined price that does not yet exist.

Tom-at the Great Salt Lake I can hit a nickle at 18 inches with a 15" coil on the GPX running normal timings...... Most people run Salt timing or cancel in this area but I figured out how to run normal making some adjustments to other settings. If you've ever watched that video of the Manta and GPX on the 18k ring the camera doesn't show the ruler for awhile with the GPX. I assume the GPX was getting the nickle at 50 cm just like the Manta, they just didn't show it. That's pushing 20 inches and I think doable with a GPX on a normal salt beach. Manta will be waterproof though, that's a plus.....I've dug some insanely deep rings before where I'm down well below shovel length (shovel blade is 12") and the target is still in the hole....... I had a guy watch me just this last Fall, garden shovel was way below the surface and I was still getting a signal in the hole. He said no way that's anything good, pulled a 22k 6 gram ring out from I estimate 16-18 inches no way to know for sure though...... If they come out with a model that can be used at both the salt beach and relic hunting bad dirt I might be interested. But the way it's setup to either detect high conductors or low conductors, I'm on the fence. Don't have the money right now anyway.