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New Fisher Manta

Posted by Frank in NH 
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 14, 2019 06:42PM
<Tnss wrote; Why would he want to sweep that heavy slow turd in those old sites full of iron??

Now you've done it. winking smiley
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 14, 2019 07:12PM
ozzie Wrote:
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> <Tnss wrote; Why would he want to sweep that heavy slow turd in those old sites full of iron??
>
> Now you've done it. winking smiley

ha ha ... I hope he keeps that heavy slow turd forever, it's always nice to have an advantage over the competition eye popping smiley

Hmmm...next time he wants me to flag signals, I should just tell him I cannot hear them or wouldn't dig them, he'll believe his turd is ready for the super bowl hot smiley
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 14, 2019 07:36PM
FYI, Fisher on Facebook posted the same info that was on the Russian website but of course it is in English.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 14, 2019 07:42PM
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 12:30PM
I'm curious to see if this model is mono-coil only. The 'full' Manta design has a special dual-winding coil, to help reduce ground signal pickup. I'm guessing this machine isn't capable of working the 'dual' coil ... and they are unlikely to be supplying the 'dual' coil on a machine that can't exploit it's specific characteristics. How many pins there are on the coil connector may shed some light on the matter.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 02:19PM
the number of pins could mean absolutely nothing. Most detectors I know of have multi-pin connectors but only use a few of those pins.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 02:56PM
This could change in the production models, but the battery pack sure looks like a hacked together solution:
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 03:31PM
Here’s a better shot. The connector on the left is the headphone - the one on the right is the power in/out for the battery. The charger connects here (that’s the funky looking cable in the Russian picture). I use, a cable runs from this connector on the battery to the end of the stem, from there internally to the control head. The battery is therefore completely separate and I am assuming that an external battery of higher power could connect to the stem.



Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 03:40PM
Rick ....did I read only 5 hours on the battery? I’d assume that conservative because that depends a lot on targets and settings. I hunt 7 hours....I really hope they change that. Surely if whites can Fisher can. I mean they are already swapping out the TDI battery and INCREASING its power. Lets keep up.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 07:31PM
Something I noticed about the original Manta was this:

Connector Type TDI, it accepts all coils (mono) of TDI / GPX

With the strange coil connector this may not be happening anymore on the current AQ?

Also a question, does the AQ have some sort of auto ground balance?

If Fisher builds a nugget version of this machine I sure hope its in the 21 st century with auto ground balance. My main like so far is the 7 usec capability, this would be great in the nugget hunting world.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 08:11PM
I’d say if they can make aftermarket coils that work .....just a matter of using a standard lower shaft with the right ID OD.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 15, 2019 09:58PM
Quote:"the number of pins could mean absolutely nothing."
What I was meaning was: If this coil only has 2 pins, it means it's a mono-coil, as the dual-winding coil has to have 3, or probably 4 connections.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 12:05AM
Hi,

the new cane
is not fair design / she was studying
for better resistance to torsion and different constraints
in order to better support large coils planned for the nugget version
all the tests and simulations prove that it is more resisitant
that standard fixings




the AQ coils are mono
the best performers for the beach
DD would not help / silence is perfect
and iron recognition / superior to all PIs

the coil connector is specific
because of the 7us
has very low delay (7us) standard connectors
low quality generates noise
this one waterproof and a high price for a connector
has been selected only for the 7us ....

the battery is give for 5 hours at full power
then it decreases (everything depends on the power to ask)
and a sound and warning signal warns you to change
have a second spare pack
or can be an option of a bigger (and heavier) pack
consider and under study for the nugget

for the price, everything is relative, I already made $ 2000 gold
in a hunting week
I must not be the only one
and some, do it in a day ...

Pimento Wrote:
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> Quote:"the number of pins could mean a
> bsolutely nothing."

> What I was meaning was: If this coil only has 2 pi
> ns, it means it's a mono-coil, as the dual-winding
> coil has to have 3, or probably 4 connections.

are you talking about a TDI type dual coil?
this type of coil is not consider, too much noise ...

when has Bipolar technology
it's something else / more efficient
but more complicated to manufacture in series
for a future model

we must take into account
that the 7us asks a lot of work
to be obtained in series
it's not just coaxial cable and a graphite bombshell
for shielding as on a TDI coil

AQ coil requires much more time and workforces
to work at 7us

if it were so easy, the other manufacturers
would have already done ...

you could say,
what differences between 7 us and 10 us

I think the difference will count
by hundred grams of gold smiling smiley

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Detector used : Fisher Aquamanta /

Pulsepower Goldscan 5c / Aquastar / Goldquest SSV3 / Nexus Coronado / Vista Gold
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 12:17AM
Yes, I was referring to the bipolar coil, which I'm thinking will be two coils wound together, so physically will package up like a regular mono-coil, but wil have more electrical connections.
Alexandre did describe the method in this Geotech1 thread:
[www.geotech1.com]
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 01:44AM
LE.JAG Wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> the new cane
> is not fair design / she was studying
> for better resistance to torsion and different con
> straints
> in order to better support large coils planned for
> the nugget version
> all the tests and simulations prove that it is mor
> e resisitant
> that standard fixings
>
>
>
>
> the AQ coils are mono
> the best performers for the beach
> DD would not help / silence is perfect
> and iron recognition / superior to all PIs
>
> the coil connector is specific
> because of the 7us
> has very low delay (7us) standard connectors
> low quality generates noise
> this one waterproof and a high price for a connect
> or
> has been selected only for the 7us ....
>
> the battery is give for 5 hours at full power
> then it decreases (everything depends on the power
> to ask)
> and a sound and warning signal warns you to change
> have a second spare pack
> or can be an option of a bigger (and heavier) pack
> consider and under study for the nugget
>
> for the price, everything is relative, I already m
> ade $ 2000 gold
> in a hunting week
> I must not be the only one
> and some, do it in a day ...
>
> Pimento Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quote:"the number of pins could mean
> a
> > bsolutely nothing."

> > What I was meaning was: If this coil only has 2
> pi
> > ns, it means it's a mono-coil, as the dual-windi
> ng
> > coil has to have 3, or probably 4 connections.
>
> are you talking about a TDI type dual coil?
> this type of coil is not consider, too much noise
> ...
>
> when has Bipolar technology
> it's something else / more efficient
> but more complicated to manufacture in series
> for a future model
>
> we must take into account
> that the 7us asks a lot of work
> to be obtained in series
> it's not just coaxial cable and a graphite bombshe
> ll
> for shielding as on a TDI coil
>
> AQ coil requires much more time and workforces
> to work at 7us

> if it were so easy, the other manufacturers
> would have already done ...
>
> you could say,
> what differences between 7 us and 10 us
>
> I think the difference will count
> by hundred grams of gold smiling smiley


How does it do with steel bottlecaps?
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 02:19AM
Surprise - they didn’t design all this in a chickencoop. Alexandre is a talented Physicist who just happened to get fascinated with metal detectors, His is almost unique (sadly) in being a metal detector enthusiast as well as a talented developer.

We will see where this all leads. I expect that now the the cat is out of the bag, FT will no doubt follow up with more information about the project.

funny that. No paradrop, that has never been their style - but now - an official leak!!! They must be pretty confident that this ain’t a “pig in a poke”.

Me, I’m pleased that through a series of happy accidents, I got sight of this back in 2016 or so. Haven’t been this happy since the hogs ate my little brother.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 02:41AM
Pimento Wrote:
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> Yes, I was referring to the bipolar coil, which I'
> m thinking will be two coils wound together, so ph
> ysically will package up like a regular mono-coil,
> but wil have more electrical connections.
> Alexandre did describe the method in this Geotech1
> thread:
> [www.geotech1.com]


Just FYI, nobody can see posts inside the geotech forum. Side-note, the "lost password" and register links are bad too, so new people cant join.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 02:48AM
It dies seem screwed up at the moment - likely to be fixed soon - warning - in between all the cutting edge stuff, there is a lot of weirdness

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2019 03:18AM by lytle78.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 02:58AM
lytle78 Wrote:
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> It dies seem scared up at the moment - likely to b
> e fixed soon - warning - in between all the cuttin
> g edge stuff, there is a lot of weirdness


LOL, tech and weirdness are right up my alley! I'm a member, but its been a while since I logged in and cant remember my info any more.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 08:15PM
Hello,

I just registered on the forum to share information from time to time ...

Very happy to be among you !



ALEXANDRE TARTAR
IMPULSE AQ / PHYSICIST ENGINEER
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 08:55PM
HEY....WHAT TOOK YA SO LONG!??

Man that’s a cool looking machine, can’t wait to swing it!

Glad to have you Sir!

Aaron

The Future is ANALOG...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2019 08:56PM by Aaron.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 10:27PM
You lucky so and so. How long you had it and which country? Soooooo share lol.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 10:33PM
Great to have you Mr. Tartar. Looking forward to your future posts and wisdom



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2019 10:34PM by Edct.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 10:40PM
Welcome. The man is here. Should be great with you and LJAG here.

El
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 16, 2019 10:55PM
Alexandre is the developer of the Manta program and therefor the Main Man for the new Fisher Impulse AQ.

I am absolutely delighted to see him posting here.

I suspect that he has a series of treats for us as things progress.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2019 11:19PM by lytle78.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 17, 2019 12:39AM
=) i hope alexandre could will use our input for the last details.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2019 12:40AM by youdig.
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 17, 2019 01:21AM
Aaron Wrote:
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> MINELAB- “Making Metal-detecting Great Again!”

Print that on some red hats and you'd make a fortune thumbs down
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 17, 2019 01:22AM
Alexandre welcome to the forum, great to see you here smileys with beer
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 17, 2019 11:49AM
Cool, welcome. We need some Tartar Sauce on the developing Impulse. smileys with beer
Re: New Fisher Manta
March 17, 2019 03:41PM
Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Aaron Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MINELAB- “Making Metal-detecting Great Again!”
>
> Print that on some red hats and you'd make a fortu
> ne thumbs down


LOL! Or license it to ML? yeah right...

Aaron
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