first hunt with my 800 using the 6" coil in a very trashy park

Normally I don't hunt this trashy park on the weekend because it is slammed with people and absolutely no parking available. However I just could not wait till Monday to test the 6" coil from Minelab.

So I circled the parking lot for about 5 min and got a parking place and started hunting. I have hunted the around the picnic tables near the river today. I have hunted those areas quite often with my AT Pro and lately the 800 with the stock coil. Might find 1-2 coins after digging many iffy targets.

But today with the 6" coil it was different. I used laidback4sho coin cherry picking settings: Park2, iron bias 3, recovery 5, GB 0, sensitivity 23. I set up two tones and notched out everything under 21. I set the 1st break as a low tone and very low volume and the above 22 break and above as a high tone and high volume.

Guess what? Every single high tone target was a strong sounding coin. I dug only one piece of junk which was a broken piece of brass or copper electrical part. Never have I had such an low dig to junk ration. In about 1 hour I found 12 clad coins and one junk target. 2 quarters, five dimes and five zinc pennies. I know you might say where is the silver?

There is basically no silver coins in this park. I have confirmed this with about five other hunters who hunt this park. The reason is I think the park has flooded multiple times over the years since the phase out of silver coins. The park area I hunt by the picnic table is almost pure sand. So I think even the frequent Georgia thunderstorms make the old coins sink way beyond our reach.

I love the 11.6 oz six inch coil. Like some other forum poster said, it is like swinging a stick. I took it up in the wooded bushy area and you can get real close to trees and in and out of tight areas as expected.

None of the coins were iffy signals. The deepest coins were, I think, about 4 - 6 inches. Hard to tell in the sand, since when you try to pry out a clod, there is no clod just sand falling back into the hole. So the depth is just a pure guess on my part.

Next hunt is some creeks in civil war battle sites and a gold creek that is near a mine in North Georgia.

Did you hunt that same area earlier with the CTX & 6" coil?

Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that we always have to compare this detector to that detector? Not just for the Nox but for any new detector or coil. I like the report above just as it was written. It shows one person's perspective of how the coil performed in the field under the conditions he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the Nox with six inch coil performs rather than how it stacks up in an apples to oranges comparison with the CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying to upset anyone.

Shakydigger Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that we
> always have to compare this detector to that detec
> tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new detector
> or coil. I like the report above just as it was wr
> itten. It shows one person's perspective of how th
> e coil performed in the field under the conditions
> he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the Nox w
> ith six inch coil performs rather than how it stac
> ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with the
> CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying to u
> pset anyone.

The reason people compare it to other detectors is because minelab told us that it was going to make every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie, It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears to be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very good at most things and so it the CTX and the Nokta's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes on, Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people don't like it when others compare it to other machines then blame minelab, They started this mess.

no, this is my first Minelab machine. Hunted the same area with an AT Pro and stock coil, and 5x8" coil. Not trying to put down the AT Pro at all. I loved hunting with the AT Pro with the 5x8" coil for 3 years. Solid machine and lots of good hunting memories. Only sold the AT Pro and coils for budget reasons. to pay for the 800 & 6" coil. Had the Nel Thunder coil for about six months. It did not suit my hunting needs since I really don't have open fields with decent or any targets in Suburban Atlanta area. Basically most decent hunt sites to be found in North Atlanta are old home sites in the few remaining wooded areas and parks.

maxxkatt Wrote:
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> no, this is my first Minelab machine. Hunted the s
> ame area with an AT Pro and stock coil, and 5x8" c
> oil. Not trying to put down the AT Pro at all. I l
> oved hunting with the AT Pro with the 5x8" coil fo
> r 3 years. Solid machine and lots of good hunting
> memories. Only sold the AT Pro and coils for budge
> t reasons. to pay for the 800 & 6" coil. Had the N
> el Thunder coil for about six months. It did not s
> uit my hunting needs since I really don't have ope
> n fields with decent or any targets in Suburban At
> lanta area. Basically most decent hunt sites to be
> found in North Atlanta are old home sites in the f
> ew remaining wooded areas and parks.


Fair enough!----And thanks for posting your report on the E800/6" coil, very informative & interesting.----This is what we are looking for (early & on-going reports on this combo).------------Del

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shakydigger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that w
> e
> > always have to compare this detector to that det
> ec
> > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new detect
> or
> > or coil. I like the report above just as it was
> wr
> > itten. It shows one person's perspective of how
> th
> > e coil performed in the field under the conditio
> ns
> > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the Nox
> w
> > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it st
> ac
> > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with th
> e
> > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying to
> u
> > pset anyone.
>
> The reason people compare it to other detectors is
> because minelab told us that it was going to make
> every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie,
> It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears t
> o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very g
> ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nokta
> 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes on
> , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people don'
> t like it when others compare it to other machines
> then blame minelab, They started this mess.

Seems that the phrase "obsolete all other detectors" is subjective.

I have to disagree with you in regards to the Nox's capabilities. In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, the machine is more capable than most(I can't say all because I haven't used all) on the market.

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shakydigger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that w
> e
> > always have to compare this detector to that det
> ec
> > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new detect
> or
> > or coil. I like the report above just as it was
> wr
> > itten. It shows one person's perspective of how
> th
> > e coil performed in the field under the conditio
> ns
> > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the Nox
> w
> > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it st
> ac
> > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with th
> e
> > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying to
> u
> > pset anyone.
>
> The reason people compare it to other detectors is
> because minelab told us that it was going to make
> every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie,
> It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears t
> o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very g
> ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nokta
> 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes on
> , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people don'
> t like it when others compare it to other machines
> then blame minelab, They started this mess.

I would strongly disagree with your whole post.

Dean

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Shakydigger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that w
> e
> > always have to compare this detector to that det
> ec
> > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new detect
> or
> > or coil. I like the report above just as it was
> wr
> > itten. It shows one person's perspective of how
> th
> > e coil performed in the field under the conditio
> ns
> > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the Nox
> w
> > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it st
> ac
> > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with th
> e
> > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying to
> u
> > pset anyone.
>
> The reason people compare it to other detectors is
> because minelab told us that it was going to make
> every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie,
> It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears t
> o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very g
> ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nokta
> 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes on
> , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people don'
> t like it when others compare it to other machines
> then blame minelab, They started this mess.

minelab told us that it was going to make
> every other detector Obsolete

I never did read or hear what you stated above from Minelab.
Actually Minelab stated some of their prior released model said would do better on higher conductive coins.

Ever read what White’s placed on a V3i detector box??
Did you see what Nokta says about their Impact detector??

There is more I could go on.

So go do your homework with the above questions and report back.

I’ll help on the first question above.
See what’s in the ground before you dig.
[m.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 01:58AM by tnsharpshooter.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shakydigger Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that
> w
> > e
> > > always have to compare this detector to that d
> et
> > ec
> > > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new dete
> ct
> > or
> > > or coil. I like the report above just as it wa
> s
> > wr
> > > itten. It shows one person's perspective of ho
> w
> > th
> > > e coil performed in the field under the condit
> io
> > ns
> > > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the N
> ox
> > w
> > > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it
> st
> > ac
> > > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with
> th
> > e
> > > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying
> to
> > u
> > > pset anyone.
> >
> > The reason people compare it to other detectors
> is
> > because minelab told us that it was going to
> make
> > every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie
> ,
> > It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears
> t
> > o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very
> g
> > ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nok
> ta
> > 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes
> on
> > , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people do
> n'
> > t like it when others compare it to other machin
> es
> > then blame minelab, They started this mess.
>
> Seems that the phrase "obsolete all other detector
> s" is subjective.
>
> I have to disagree with you in regards to the Nox'
> s capabilities. In the hands of someone who knows
> what they are doing, the machine is more capable t
> han most(I can't say all because I haven't used al
> l) on the market.

Well with claims like that they sort of backed them selves in to a corner, Thing is so many people are selling them On and you only have to read Des D's report to see the short comings, Remembering that Des was minelab EU's foremost field tester, Having known Des for close to 15 years I tend to put my faith in him, and he says it as it is, And the impression I got is that it is a good detector but it is not a Great detector, Back when Des was testing the X-Terra he was unstoppable and I don't get the same vibe from him with this one,

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shakydigger Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that
> w
> > e
> > > always have to compare this detector to that d
> et
> > ec
> > > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new dete
> ct
> > or
> > > or coil. I like the report above just as it wa
> s
> > wr
> > > itten. It shows one person's perspective of ho
> w
> > th
> > > e coil performed in the field under the condit
> io
> > ns
> > > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the N
> ox
> > w
> > > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it
> st
> > ac
> > > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with
> th
> > e
> > > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying
> to
> > u
> > > pset anyone.
> >
> > The reason people compare it to other detectors
> is
> > because minelab told us that it was going to mak
> e
> > every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie
> ,
> > It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears
> t
> > o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very
> g
> > ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nok
> ta
> > 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes
> on
> > , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people do
> n'
> > t like it when others compare it to other machin
> es
> > then blame minelab, They started this mess.
>
> minelab told us that it was going to make
> > every other detector Obsolete
>
> I never did read or hear what you stated above fro
> m Minelab.
> Actually Minelab stated some of their prior releas
> ed model said would do better on higher conductive
> coins.
>
> Ever read what White’s placed on a V3i detector bo
> x??
> Did you see what Nokta says about their Impact det
> ector??
>
> There is more I could go on.
>
> So go do your homework with the above questions an
> d report back.
>
> I’ll help on the first question above.
> See what’s in the ground before you dig.
> [m.youtube.com]
> screen

I agree, they all have their sales blurb and that seems to be the way they do things nower days and I was never impressed with the 2 machines you mention, yes they are good but there is too much going on with them,

I never buy detectors within the first year of production as we have seen in the past things are never as expected, I would rather wait and see the results come in, without digging up the past I know of someone who is still having troubles with a machine, 3 of the 4 machines I have bought in the past 2-3 years are all well proven,

Funny thing is in Australia the Equinox is starting to prove it's self, personally I think people only have issues with it when they over think it.

bado1 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Shakydigger Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it that
> w
> > e
> > > always have to compare this detector to that d
> et
> > ec
> > > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new dete
> ct
> > or
> > > or coil. I like the report above just as it wa
> s
> > wr
> > > itten. It shows one person's perspective of ho
> w
> > th
> > > e coil performed in the field under the condit
> io
> > ns
> > > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the N
> ox
> > w
> > > ith six inch coil performs rather than how it
> st
> > ac
> > > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison with
> th
> > e
> > > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not trying
> to
> > u
> > > pset anyone.
> >
> > The reason people compare it to other detectors
> is
> > because minelab told us that it was going to mak
> e
> > every other detector Obsolete and that was a lie
> ,
> > It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appears
> t
> > o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is very
> g
> > ood at most things and so it the CTX and the Nok
> ta
> > 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goes
> on
> > , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people do
> n'
> > t like it when others compare it to other machin
> es
> > then blame minelab, They started this mess.
>
> I would strongly disagree with your whole post.
>
> Dean

Well ML did say that it would Obsolete all other detectors, So you have to agree with that unless you are in denial, And one major fact is that so many people are selling them on ebay, And most of them are skilled detectorists so they all can't be wrong,

Every machine ever made has short comings, just some have more than others, People make me laugh because if it is made by ML then they will defend it to the death and they will except it with all it's faults, It was the same with the GPZ and the SDC and now this one, And people say you only look at it's faults what about the positives, Well for a new machine it should not have ay faults, people would not except it with a car or a truck so why except it with a detector,

The major companies seem to think it is ok to release machines knowing that it has weak points, well that's not good enough, The Impact is a good detector and it does most things fairly well but it is not good at all the things it was meant to do, so people just did not get on board with it.

None of these modern machines will go down in history because they are becoming like cell phones where they can't wait to get them out the door and they are replaced within 6 months with a new model, most of the machines ML was making 10 years ago are still going strong and can hold their own til this day, love em or hate them the Sovereigns and Explorers and Etracs and X-Terra's are still among some of the best detectors ever made, I don't see the EQ being added to that list. And until these companies stop using the general public as field testers then the Quality will always be less than expected.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 02:49AM by auminesweeper.

EDS?..

Sorta like TDS.

Lol

In defense of Minelab (sort of) ----didn't they say the Equinox had the "POTENTIAL" to obsolete all other VLF's (not FBS) detectors?-----Don't anybody go "bannanas" on me, I'm just putting that in the form of a question.-----I thought they said it had the potential to obsolete---not stating right out that it WILL OBSOLETE--I could be wrong on this & if I am, I'm sure I'll catch hell about it (as usual).-------I will agree with John about one thing----the Explorers & ETrac is some of the best detectors ever made--FOR THEIR INTENDED USAGE---which is a little different usage than the Equinox.-----Gotta go rest now!--------------Del

D&P-OR Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> In defense of Minelab (sort of) ----didn't they
> say the Equinox had the "POTENTIAL" to obsolete al
> l other VLF's (not FBS) detectors?-----Don't anybo
> dy go "bannanas" on me, I'm just putting that in t
> he form of a question.-----I thought they said i
> t had the potential to obsolete---not stating righ
> t out that it WILL OBSOLETE--I could be wrong on t
> his & if I am, I'm sure I'll catch hell about it (
> as usual).-------I will agree with John about on
> e thing----the Explorers & ETrac is some of the be
> st detectors ever made--FOR THEIR INTENDED USAGE--
> -which is a little different usage than the Equino
> x.-----Gotta go rest now!--------------Del


Sounds like what I remember.

See post one in this monster thread.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 03:29AM by tnsharpshooter.

With a few tweaks I think the EQ can be spot on, I was really wanting a machine from ML that could run on a single frequency without the sounds of FBS and I hanging out for the EQ to be as good as they said because it was the one machine that I wanted to buy, Hopefully they can give it updates via the net then it would be future proof and if there was an issue they could fix it via the internet.

Here is what they posted below their Video.

Quote:-

Published on 9 Nov 2017


EQUINOX - The all-terrain multi-purpose multi-frequency detector that will obsolete all single frequency VLF detectors available today!
Equally adaptable for all target types and ground conditions - just select your location and go!

End Quote.

@ 3m 43 seconds on this ML video Drtones24k says that it's multi IQ will Obsolete all single frequency machines.

[www.youtube.com]

So like it or not they did "Actually" say it and they printed it below their video.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 03:50AM by auminesweeper.

this discussion is pretty 'meh' imho....who cares what marketing says....I've been giving the 800 a try and have found
quite a few coins I missed with several other detectors, minelab's, fisher's, etc....it works pretty darn well and
heck, have you considered the price in comparsion to other machines?

oh, forgot, thanks to the OP for a good post on the 6" coil, makes me want to bite but I'm waiting for some more takes on it.
just might be the ticket for some sites with oldies mixed with various metal bits and pieces...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 04:13AM by canslawhero.

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > auminesweeper Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Shakydigger Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > Not trying to razz anybody, but why is it th
> at
> > w
> > > e
> > > > always have to compare this detector to that
> d
> > et
> > > ec
> > > > tor? Not just for the Nox but for any new de
> te
> > ct
> > > or
> > > > or coil. I like the report above just as it
> wa
> > s
> > > wr
> > > > itten. It shows one person's perspective of
> ho
> > w
> > > th
> > > > e coil performed in the field under the cond
> it
> > io
> > > ns
> > > > he mentions. I'm more concerned with how the
> N
> > ox
> > > w
> > > > ith six inch coil performs rather than how i
> t
> > st
> > > ac
> > > > ks up in an apples to oranges comparison wit
> h
> > th
> > > e
> > > > CTX and it's six inch coil. Again, not tryin
> g
> > to
> > > u
> > > > pset anyone.
> > >
> > > The reason people compare it to other detector
> s
> > is
> > > because minelab told us that it was going to m
> ak
> > e
> > > every other detector Obsolete and that was a l
> ie
> > ,
> > > It is not as good as the X-terra, The EQ appea
> rs
> > t
> > > o be Average at most things, The X-Terra is ve
> ry
> > g
> > > ood at most things and so it the CTX and the N
> ok
> > ta
> > > 's and Makro's and F-75's etc and the list goe
> s
> > on
> > > , Minelab started the Mud Slinging, If people
> do
> > n'
> > > t like it when others compare it to other mach
> in
> > es
> > > then blame minelab, They started this mess.
> >
> > I would strongly disagree with your whole post.
> >
> > Dean
>
> Well ML did say that it would Obsolete all other d
> etectors, So you have to agree with that unless yo
> u are in denial, And one major fact is that so man
> y people are selling them on ebay, And most of the
> m are skilled detectorists so they all can't be wr
> ong,
>
> Every machine ever made has short comings, just so
> me have more than others, People make me laugh bec
> ause if it is made by ML then they will defend it
> to the death and they will except it with all it's
> faults, It was the same with the GPZ and the SDC a
> nd now this one, And people say you only look at i
> t's faults what about the positives, Well for a ne
> w machine it should not have ay faults, people wou
> ld not except it with a car or a truck so why exce
> pt it with a detector,
>
> The major companies seem to think it is ok to rele
> ase machines knowing that it has weak points, well
> that's not good enough, The Impact is a good detec
> tor and it does most things fairly well but it is
> not good at all the things it was meant to do, so
> people just did not get on board with it.
>
> None of these modern machines will go down in hist
> ory because they are becoming like cell phones whe
> re they can't wait to get them out the door and th
> ey are replaced within 6 months with a new model,
> most of the machines ML was making 10 years ago ar
> e still going strong and can hold their own til th
> is day, love em or hate them the Sovereigns and Ex
> plorers and Etracs and X-Terra's are still among s
> ome of the best detectors ever made, I don't see t
> he EQ being added to that list. And until these co
> mpanies stop using the general public as field tes
> ters then the Quality will always be less than exp
> ected.

Well, I would question their skill. Because this machine is doing what 9 other machines I have owned and used, didn't do.

>EQUINOX - The all-terrain multi-purpose multi-frequency detector that will obsolete all single frequency VLF detectors available today!

In that context, it has obsoleted SINGLE frequency machines JUST by having multiple frequencies running simultaneously. But like I said, that statement by Minelab is subjective.

Now to make MY stance clear, I am going by what the machine is doing out in the field, NOT who makes it or any other reason. Don't believe me? Watch my videos. If others aren't getting great results, then perhaps they lack the skill, or have a bad machine, or lack the interest and don't want to do the work.

Here is the hitch with sales of this machine. You have joe schmo who never had a metal detector before. He buys a Nox 800. Goes to his nearest park expecting to find hand fulls of silver, gold rings, and treasures beyond his wildest fantasies only to find clad and junk. The next couple times he goes out the same thing. Well,he decides to sell because he expected miracles without doing the homework and putting the time in.He should of bought an ACE 250 as I recommend all people starting out, do. I will admit, in the beginning I even thought, "this just seems like every other machine". Then I started to incorporate my previous past experiences with what the machine was telling me and BAM! Sites are producing again.

To be honest, I don't care who hates what company. As for who endorses what, I know that only by experiencing it, can you find out what the real scoop is so I choose not to listen to any one person's opinion. You say the Nox sucks and are convinced others feel that way too? Who cares. I don't.

canslawhero Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> this discussion is pretty 'meh' imho....who cares
> what marketing says....I've been giving the 800 a
> try and have found
> quite a few coins I missed with several other dete
> ctors, minelab's, fisher's, etc....it works pretty
> darn well and
> heck, have you considered the price in comparsion
> to other machines?

Nope just the build quality and the broken promises, Over here the EQ is about $1100.00 and when you consider the build quality with the shafts and performance in general makes it worth half that.

Just because you are finding coins in a site that you have searched before does not mean it is better it just means you got the coil over them or the conditions were right, I hunt in a site that has fallen victim to hundreds of detector rallies and field tests of every machine made in the last 30/40 years and I still find stuff, It does not say your last machine was a bad one or this one is good, That is just how detecting goes.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Well, I would question their skill. Because this m
> achine is doing what 9 other machines I have owned
> and used, didn't do.
>
> >EQUINOX - The all-terrain multi-purpose multi-
> frequency detector that will obsolete all single f
> requency VLF detectors available today!
>
> In that context, it has obsoleted SINGLE frequency
> machines JUST by having multiple frequencies runni
> ng simultaneously. But like I said, that statement
> by Minelab is subjective.
>
> Now to make MY stance clear, I am going by what th
> e machine is doing out in the field, NOT who makes
> it or any other reason. Don't believe me? Watch my
> videos. If others aren't getting great results, th
> en perhaps they lack the skill, or have a bad mach
> ine, or lack the interest and don't want to do the
> work.
>
> Here is the hitch with sales of this machine. You
> have joe schmo who never had a metal detector befo
> re. He buys a Nox 800. Goes to his nearest park ex
> pecting to find hand fulls of silver, gold rings,
> and treasures beyond his wildest fantasies only to
> find clad and junk. The next couple times he goes
> out the same thing. Well,he decides to sell becaus
> e he expected miracles without doing the homework
> and putting the time in.He should of bought an ACE
> 250 as I recommend all people starting out, do. I
> will admit, in the beginning I even thought, "this
> just seems like every other machine". Then I start
> ed to incorporate my previous past experiences wit
> h what the machine was telling me and BAM! Sites a
> re producing again.
>
> To be honest, I don't care who hates what company.
> As for who endorses what, I know that only by expe
> riencing it, can you find out what the real scoop
> is so I choose not to listen to any one person's o
> pinion. You say the Nox sucks and are convinced ot
> hers feel that way too? Who cares. I don't.

It has not Obsoleted nothing and that is a Lie because my machines are still working as good as they ever did and still finding things 2000+ years old,

And there seems to be more of these secondhand EQ's on ebay than there is for sale in the shops, whether you have been over the places with a 100 over machines is irrelevant it is more of a case that the current conditions happen to suit the machine you are using at present and 2) you just happened to get the coil over the target, Like I said I detect in a place where thousands of detectors have been yet I still find stuff, So its most likely just because the planets happened to lined up all at the right time, I doubt it but that's just the way detecting goes.

People are never going to admit they bought a pig in poke, we saw that a couple of years ago and even though those same folks knew there was an issue they still would not send their machine in to be fixed because they insisted it was right, and some folks are still having issues,

Until people all get on the same page about this these companies are going to make promises but keep marketing a lesser product even their $10,000 detector is not perfect so what chance has one got at a 10th of the price, All brands and models have issues but we should push them to raise the bar, The EQ is a good machine but it could be better, why is it not the same machine with the wild features as the one they jumped out of the plane with, The detecting world was in shock when they saw that one and all the BS marketing and all they got was a watered down version that falls well short of the one in the marketing video.

Quote:- In that context, it has obsoleted SINGLE frequency
> machines JUST by having multiple frequencies runni
> ng simultaneously. But like I said, that statement
> by Minelab is subjective.
End Quote,
No it's not subjective It means Obsolete as in Obsolete you can't go bending the meaning of words and suggesting what Obsolete means just to cover ML's A$$ because they drop the ball and did not deliver, We should not have to rewrite the Oxford Dictionary so we can change the meaning of words to suit Minelab to cover their mistakes, Sorry but they are just not that important enough.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 05:07AM by auminesweeper.

auminesweeper Wrote:
I never buy detectors within the first year of production

So, you don't own an Equinox, presumably haven't even borrowed one; but, you somehow know that it's a mediocre machine. Why are you even opining on this subject, and spreading misinformation, when you have no experience with the machine?

The Equinox is great for finding masked targets. Unlike the Deus, another good unmasker, it doesn't get fooled by steel washers. It's waterproof and the price for the 600 was compelling.

Bayard Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> I never buy detectors within the first year of pro
> duction
>
> So, you don't own an Equinox, presumably haven't e
> ven borrowed one; but, you somehow know that it's
> a mediocre machine. Why are you even opining on t
> his subject, and spreading misinformation, when yo
> u have no experience with the machine?
>
> The Equinox is great for finding masked targets.
> Unlike the Deus, another good unmasker, it doesn't
> get fooled by steel washers. It's waterproof and
> the price for the 600 was compelling.

Whether I have one or not is just a cop out on your behalf, the point is there is enough people on the forums having issues with it and there is even a topic here on this forum asking members how it could be made better, So I don't need to own one to see that there are issues that need resolving and I have read Des D's field test. And I can read just as well as the next person So don't come at me with your sarcastic crap,

I have already said that it is a good machine, But it is not a great machine nor is it as good as they said it was going to be. If you don't like the truth then don't read it, you can pretend it's wonderful all you like just don't expect honest and up front people to agree with you, again it's a good machine but it could be better.

NEWS FLASH
Some folks found when unpacking their new EQ's are finding the headphone broken upon inspection,

Lol it won't be long until you trade your obsoleted MXT for one

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> The reason people compare it to other detectors is
> because minelab told us that it was going to make
> every other detector Obsolete

Haha, well gee, EVERY time a new product is released (new cars, new camera, etc....), then SURE: The advertisements will "hype it up". When was the last time you saw a TV commercial for a new Ford or Honda, that said "this car is lousy, don't buy it" ? OF COURSE the ad's are going to say "greatest thing since sliced bread".

I don't think anyone took the "obsolete" verbiage too seriously, other than being advertising jingle/hype.

So to answer the Shaky-digger: The reason why people feel the need to compare, is that : If the machine replicates what past technology can already achieve, then that's useful information. We are ALL looking for "better mousetraps". And this IS a technology aspect of md'ing forum. So it's perfectly logical to ask how it compares to something else.

Most single freq machines are also designed with a specific purpose......but the Nox transcends them by working in both single and multi freq which were specifically designed for modes of hunting. Will each mode out perform a machine with a single purpose........ likely not but id say this machine is competitive and allows you to very successfully hunt these other modes. So in that way it did obsolete many single freq/PURPOSE machines. I also agree....... i dont believe we got the same prototype that came out of that plane that during testing went thru some improved changes ........ which didnt come out in the final produce. IMO its going to be a very good beach machine.....and i suspect we will see many more of them on the beach because of price, its ability to travel easily, weight and its perform well...... yet still be used else where. Its not the best of the best at anything...... but its still a good choice for the price. You kind of have to compare it to other machines..... especially those you have...... to go along with that, it has to give you the confidence its doing as good of a job. As a water machine its done that for me....... yet fell a little shore of my hopes as ive expressed.... to the tune of beating a dead horse lol. Im not certain how this 6" coil would be used in the water/wet sand unless it proves itself as a more sensitivity coil to small gold..... otherwise money vs payback vs time might not be there..... a 9" might have been better for us.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/23/2018 11:13AM by dewcon4414.

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Well, I would question their skill. Because this
> m
> > achine is doing what 9 other machines I have own
> ed
> > and used, didn't do.
> >
> > >EQUINOX - The all-terrain multi-purpose mult
> i-
> > frequency detector that will obsolete all single
> f
> > requency VLF detectors available today!
> >
> > In that context, it has obsoleted SINGLE frequen
> cy
> > machines JUST by having multiple frequencies run
> ni
> > ng simultaneously. But like I said, that stateme
> nt
> > by Minelab is subjective.
> >
> > Now to make MY stance clear, I am going by what
> th
> > e machine is doing out in the field, NOT who mak
> es
> > it or any other reason. Don't believe me? Watch
> my
> > videos. If others aren't getting great results,
> th
> > en perhaps they lack the skill, or have a bad ma
> ch
> > ine, or lack the interest and don't want to do t
> he
> > work.
> >
> > Here is the hitch with sales of this machine. Yo
> u
> > have joe schmo who never had a metal detector be
> fo
> > re. He buys a Nox 800. Goes to his nearest park
> ex
> > pecting to find hand fulls of silver, gold rings
> ,
> > and treasures beyond his wildest fantasies only
> to
> > find clad and junk. The next couple times he goe
> s
> > out the same thing. Well,he decides to sell beca
> us
> > e he expected miracles without doing the homewor
> k
> > and putting the time in.He should of bought an A
> CE
> > 250 as I recommend all people starting out, do.
> I
> > will admit, in the beginning I even thought, "th
> is
> > just seems like every other machine". Then I sta
> rt
> > ed to incorporate my previous past experiences w
> it
> > h what the machine was telling me and BAM! Sites
> a
> > re producing again.
> >
> > To be honest, I don't care who hates what compan
> y.
> > As for who endorses what, I know that only by ex
> pe
> > riencing it, can you find out what the real scoo
> p
> > is so I choose not to listen to any one person's
> o
> > pinion. You say the Nox sucks and are convinced
> ot
> > hers feel that way too? Who cares. I don't.
>
> It has not Obsoleted nothing and that is a Lie bec
> ause my machines are still working as good as they
> ever did and still finding things 2000+ years old,
>
> And there seems to be more of these secondhand EQ'
> s on ebay than there is for sale in the shops, whe
> ther you have been over the places with a 100 over
> machines is irrelevant it is more of a case that t
> he current conditions happen to suit the machine y
> ou are using at present and 2) you just happened t
> o get the coil over the target, Like I said I dete
> ct in a place where thousands of detectors have be
> en yet I still find stuff, So its most likely just
> because the planets happened to lined up all at th
> e right time, I doubt it but that's just the way d
> etecting goes.
>
> People are never going to admit they bought a pig
> in poke, we saw that a couple of years ago and eve
> n though those same folks knew there was an issue
> they still would not send their machine in to be f
> ixed because they insisted it was right, and some
> folks are still having issues,
>
> Until people all get on the same page about this t
> hese companies are going to make promises but keep
> marketing a lesser product even their $10,000 dete
> ctor is not perfect so what chance has one got at
> a 10th of the price, All brands and models have is
> sues but we should push them to raise the bar, The
> EQ is a good machine but it could be better, why i
> s it not the same machine with the wild features a
> s the one they jumped out of the plane with, The d
> etecting world was in shock when they saw that one
> and all the BS marketing and all they got was a wa
> tered down version that falls well short of the on
> e in the marketing video.
>
> Quote:- In that context, it has obsoleted SINGLE f
> requency
> > machines JUST by having multiple frequencies run
> ni
> > ng simultaneously. But like I said, that stateme
> nt
> > by Minelab is subjective.
> End Quote,
> No it's not subjective It means Obsolete as in
> Obsolete you can't go bending the meaning of words
> and suggesting what Obsolete means just to cover
> ML's A$$ because they drop the ball and did not de
> liver, We should not have to rewrite the Oxford Di
> ctionary so we can change the meaning of words to
> suit Minelab to cover their mistakes, Sorry but th
> ey are just not that important enough.

Sure but in what context? You may take it as "obsoletes single frequencies in every way, shape, and form" other's may not.

Judging by the rest of your statement, it's clear you haven't done any footwork. So as you are an arm chair critic, I no longer feel the need to try to explain to you what my experiences are telling me in regards to the Nox. Good day sir(tha'ts a joke BTW)!

Bayard Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> auminesweeper Wrote:
> I never buy detectors within the first year of pro
> duction
>
> So, you don't own an Equinox, presumably haven't e
> ven borrowed one; but, you somehow know that it's
> a mediocre machine. Why are you even opining on t
> his subject, and spreading misinformation, when yo
> u have no experience with the machine?
>
> The Equinox is great for finding masked targets.
> Unlike the Deus, another good unmasker, it doesn't
> get fooled by steel washers. It's waterproof and
> the price for the 600 was compelling.


+1.

YOU are the REASON our kids are UGLY !!!

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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:
>
> Sure but in what context? You may take it as "obso
> letes single frequencies in every way, shape, and
> form" other's may not.
>
> Judging by the rest of your statement, it's clear
> you haven't done any footwork.WRONG So as you are an ar
> m chair critic, WRONG I no longer feel the need to try t
> o explain to you what my experiences are telling m
> e in regards to the Nox. THANK F*** FOR THAT Good day sir(tha'ts a jok
> e BTW)! AND I RETURN THE HEART FELT WARMTH

You have your views I have mine, and although I respect it is what it is and the fact is 4 or 5 people on this forum are selling theirs and it's the same on other forums and on Ebay.

Have a nice day.