The Dam will burst this coming week.

This has been a test of the emergency nox system. This is only a test.

Could the Nox be a hall a famer??

It already is if we just base determination on Internet threads and post, and views of these.



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It is by far the greatest of all time machine that hasn't been released yet.

IDK, I saw an airtest, the numbers seemed rather jumpy, but the guy using it, was a novice at best.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> IDK, I saw an airtest, the numbers seemed rather j
> umpy, but the guy using it, was a novice at best.

Very similar to an Xterra. Waterproof multi-requency xterra. Nothing wrong with that!

Coil for coil xterra 705 is deeper than etrac and ctx in my garden. Nox will likely be on par with 705

detectingMO Wrote:
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> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > IDK, I saw an airtest, the numbers seemed rather
> j
> > umpy, but the guy using it, was a novice at best
> .
>
> Very similar to an Xterra. Waterproof multi-reque
> ncy xterra. Nothing wrong with that!
>
> Coil for coil xterra 705 is deeper than etrac and
> ctx in my garden. Nox will likely be on par with
> 705


My thoughts exactly! Except the 705 sure wasn't deeper than my CTX or Etrac in my test garden & hunt sites.

Let's see. Similar to an Xterra- ok
Waterproof- very nice
One coil for all frequencies-nothing new
Faster processor- nothing new
Air test- ok
I am kind of underwhelmed until I try it in the ground. For me it must shine in 3 to 4 bar dirt. It will also have to id at depth. Not much to ask for from a game changer. Your results will differ I'm sure.

That one video shows it air testing a 3 ringer at 14 to 15 inches with an 11 inch coil in disc mode. That is pretty good if you ask me. The CTX won't do that or at least none of them I had would.

In my 3-4 bar red Georgia clay dirt the Xterra's just didn't have any depth like the Explorers or Etracs. I tried all the different high dollar frequency coils and nothing seemed to really punch deep. Only thing it would get good depth on was iron it would pick up a horse shoe over a foot deep and it would sound like a coin laying on top of the ground. I have used a Xterra 50,505, and 705 and none of them got coins over 4 to 5 inches deep.

Im sure the Equinox will be a great machine and after some time the regular and even older vlf machines will still be used alongside it. A step forward in detectors i would say yes, but there will be times in parks or other areas where one will still need their Tesoro or CZ or any other machine. I will say Minelab has the money to get the hype and to produce a wonderful and powerful detector but i highly doubt we will see it or any other detector for quite some time that will obsolete single frequency detectors.
TH

I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, But why would Minelab make a Detector superior to the CTX or Etrac at half the price? Did they start taking dumb pills?
Can Someone explain it so even a dummie like Me can understand?

Maybe because the ctx is 7 year old technology, and the etrac even older. Those units will probably go bye bye as the equinox line grows.

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, But why
> would Minelab make a Detector superior to the CTX
> or Etrac at half the price? Did they start taking
> dumb pills?
> Can Someone explain it so even a dummie like Me ca
> n understand?


Because Engineers always got to be showing off

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, But why
> would Minelab make a Detector superior to the CTX
> or Etrac at half the price? Did they start taking
> dumb pills?
> Can Someone explain it so even a dummie like Me ca
> n understand?

In truth, they can't just come out and say the Nox is better than their other machines. You have to read between the lines.

After watching that air test vid about a dozen times, the jumpy TID is rather shocking. A half dollar range, in air, 32(close to coil) to 24(12-15 inches). That is an 8 point jump IN AIR! Now a few things may factor into this, such as the users experience, what level the recovery speed was set, and the way he is swinging his arm. Hopefully, the TID can be more stabilized with a slower swing speed and lower recovery level IN ground.

Just pointing out what I am seeing, nothing more.

Anybody who thinks they will drop the Etrac I have a Bridge I want to sell you.

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> Anybody who thinks they will drop the Etrac I have
> a Bridge I want to sell you.


Might well order the Nox Harold, then give us the real scoop on it. You know you want one. Etrac is getting old release date wise. Who knows what Minelab has up their sleeve.
Could they have a pair of aces ? I think they have already played one.

Yeah, Beyonder with another conspiracy theory.
Put the Equinox up against the At Max and let's see what happens.
That is one of the targets with Equinox. Did Minelab hit a bullseye? We'll see shortly.

One little ole video, and what, send the Nox down the river. Come on!!



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No Thanks SOD as down to My 3 all-time Faves.
That's all I need. Not much on water hunting anyways.
Besides the way they're closing Public sites to Detecting where I live just Be a waste of Money.
Pretty soon rest of Country be the same way.
Hobby went too main stream. That kills it every time.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Harold,ILL. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anybody who thinks they will drop the Etrac I ha
> ve
> > a Bridge I want to sell you.
>
>
> Might well order the Nox Harold, then give us the
> real scoop on it. You know you want one. Etrac i
> s getting old release date wise. Who knows what M
> inelab has up their sleeve.
> Could they have a pair of aces ? I think they hav
> e already played one.
>
> Yeah, Beyonder with another conspiracy theory.
> Put the Equinox up against the At Max and let's se
> e what happens.
> That is one of the targets with Equinox. Did Mine
> lab hit a bullseye? We'll see shortly.
>
> One little ole video, and what, send the Nox down
> the river. Come on!!

No conspiracy here, just an observation. Unlike yourself, I don't play favorites, just report what I see. Don't believe me have a look for yourself. Having used the etrac for two years and the CTX since release, I am fairly familiar with the TID on Minelab machines of that caliber. Have I sold the Nox down the river? Hell no! But I am sure many here, lurkers included, want an honest UNBIASED observations from an experienced user like myself. As for the AT Max, not only have I never used one, but have no interest in learning how. Just not interested. Anyway, I will be getting my Nox hopefully this week and I will post some results.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Sod-buster Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Harold,ILL. Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Anybody who thinks they will drop the Etrac I
> ha
> > ve
> > > a Bridge I want to sell you.
> >
> >
> > Might well order the Nox Harold, then give us th
> e
> > real scoop on it. You know you want one. Etrac
> i
> > s getting old release date wise. Who knows what
> M
> > inelab has up their sleeve.
> > Could they have a pair of aces ? I think they h
> av
> > e already played one.
> >
> > Yeah, Beyonder with another conspiracy theory
> .
> > Put the Equinox up against the At Max and let's
> se
> > e what happens.
> > That is one of the targets with Equinox. Did Mi
> ne
> > lab hit a bullseye? We'll see shortly.
> >
> > One little ole video, and what, send the Nox dow
> n
> > the river. Come on!!
>
> No conspiracy here, just an observation. Unlike y
> ourself, I don't play favorites, just report what
> I see. Don't believe me have a look for yourself.
> Having used the etrac for two years and the CTX si
> nce release, I am fairly familiar with the TID on
> Minelab machines of that caliber. Have I sold the
> Nox down the river? Hell no! But I am sure many he
> re, lurkers included, want an honest UNBIASED obse
> rvations from an experienced user like myself. As
> for the AT Max, not only have I never used one, bu
> t have no interest in learning how. Just not inter
> ested. Anyway, I will be getting my Nox hopefully
> this week and I will post some results.

Play favorites?
Sure I have my favorite detectors. But this don't mean I give bs info on detectors I use that are not my favorites.
And I don't start bs conspiracies about a manufacturer without proof.

Did you ever apologize to Minelab? And the folks who is/was testing detector?? Here publically.

You should. Someone like the host here probably was working very hard to get to a good point with Equinox.



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At least you can get an AT Max. On the list but sure down a ways with a small dealer. Always support my local shops. I had a 705 with high and low freq. coils It was the best park machine until I got a Safari. Have had my ET for 4 years and has produced but ready for the lighter weight. I still have my Excal II that hasn't seen light of day lately. Hanging in there but jealous of the guys getting theirs. Come on video's.

Sod-buster Wrote:
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> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sod-buster Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Harold,ILL. Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > Anybody who thinks they will drop the Etrac
> I
> > ha
> > > ve
> > > > a Bridge I want to sell you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Might well order the Nox Harold, then give us
> th
> > e
> > > real scoop on it. You know you want one. Etr
> ac
> > i
> > > s getting old release date wise. Who knows wh
> at
> > M
> > > inelab has up their sleeve.
> > > Could they have a pair of aces ? I think they
> h
> > av
> > > e already played one.
> > >
> > > Yeah, Beyonder with another conspiracy theo
> ry
> > .
> > > Put the Equinox up against the At Max and let'
> s
> > se
> > > e what happens.
> > > That is one of the targets with Equinox. Did
> Mi
> > ne
> > > lab hit a bullseye? We'll see shortly.
> > >
> > > One little ole video, and what, send the Nox d
> ow
> > n
> > > the river. Come on!!
> >
> > No conspiracy here, just an observation. Unlike
> y
> > ourself, I don't play favorites, just report wha
> t
> > I see. Don't believe me have a look for yourself
> .
> > Having used the etrac for two years and the CTX
> si
> > nce release, I am fairly familiar with the TID o
> n
> > Minelab machines of that caliber. Have I sold th
> e
> > Nox down the river? Hell no! But I am sure many
> he
> > re, lurkers included, want an honest UNBIASED ob
> se
> > rvations from an experienced user like myself. A
> s
> > for the AT Max, not only have I never used one,
> bu
> > t have no interest in learning how. Just not int
> er
> > ested. Anyway, I will be getting my Nox hopefull
> y
> > this week and I will post some results.
>
> Play favorites?
> Sure I have my favorite detectors. But this don't
> mean I give bs info on detectors I use that are no
> t my favorites.
> And I don't start bs conspiracies about a manufact
> urer without proof.
>
> Did you ever apologize to Minelab? And the folks w
> ho is/was testing detector?? Here publically.
>
> You should. Someone like the host here probably w
> as working very hard to get to a good point with E
> quinox.

Taking this to PM

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> That one video shows it air testing a 3 ringer at
> 14 to 15 inches with an 11 inch coil in disc mode.
> That is pretty good if you ask me. The CTX won't
> do that or at least none of them I had would.


My T2 will hit a 3 ringer at 14" no problem in an indoor air test using the stock 11" coil. Sens. 99, 0 disc., bp mode

Bill -- You ain't gonna be able to run 99 sens, BP mode in most places you take it to either. If you have mineral in your ground, BP mode is the worse one you could possibly pick. Any of the other actual usable modes, and that same 3 ringer detection distance drops to around 11 inches on the T2 in the air in disc mode with stock coil.

I have been asking this for months. I can tell you that those that held on to their CTX are in for a shock should they decide to sell it. The price has come down quite a bit. And if the Nox lives up to the hype expect it to hit bottom. Half the price for a Nox? That's easy to decide. Yeah I see the E Trac going bye bye. Why would anyone want to spend the same amount of money for a 12 year old detector that weighs twice as much and isn't waterproof? The Safari? Gone! Xterra? Gone! Minelab certainly will restructure. Units that do not sell are going to be discontinued....Very simple.

IF

detectingMO Wrote:
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> IF


True....IF Minelab didn't beat the performance of a 12 year old detector design like the E Trac then why release one at all? The truth will get out very quickly. Long before I ever receive mine. They will be the laughing stock of the hobby. This new technology they are bragging about is their future. They side stepped FBS 2 on the CTX. No more models for that technology evidently. Yeah it better be able to beat FBS 1.



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Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> Bill -- You ain't gonna be able to run 99 sens, BP
> mode in most places you take it to either. If you
> have mineral in your ground, BP mode is the worse
> one you could possibly pick. Any of the other act
> ual usable modes, and that same 3 ringer detection
> distance drops to around 11 inches on the T2 in th
> e air in disc mode with stock coil.


Thanks Daniel for coming back at me. I've been hunting with the t2 for about 8 years and I know exactly what your saying. I've run the gammet with this unit in all kinds of ground all kinds of settings. But this was an air test this fellow did. My question is what were his settings. Was it equivalent to the settings I referred to on the T2 , more or less wide open, or say default on the Nox or just what.

goodmore Wrote:
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> I have been asking this for months. I can tell you
> that those that held on to their CTX are in for a
> shock should they decide to sell it. The price has
> come down quite a bit. And if the Nox lives up to
> the hype expect it to hit bottom. Half the price f
> or a Nox? That's easy to decide. Yeah I see the E
> Trac going bye bye. Why would anyone want to spend
> the same amount of money for a 12 year old detecto
> r that weighs twice as much and isn't waterproof?
> The Safari? Gone! Xterra? Gone! Minelab certainly
> will restructure. Units that do not sell are going
> to be discontinued....Very simple.

Yes but there are still deep turf 'Coin hunters' who like a lock on stable I.D. that the Etrac gives. From what I seen so far the Nox numbers are not stable and jump around like a F75. Relic hunters don't mind it, But most deep coin hunters hate that. So until that is addressed the Etrac won't be going anywhere.

You better buy a few extras...

Harold,

I am not sure what makes you conclude that the Equinox has a "jumpy ID" problem that needs to be "addressed."

I think it's pretty certain that the Equinox will prove closer to the opposite of that statement. Everything I have heard -- both from testers and from Minelab regarding their design intent for the unit -- was that it would have STABLE ID, not "jumpy."

Steve

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> goodmore Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have been asking this for months. I can tell y
> ou
> > that those that held on to their CTX are in for
> a
> > shock should they decide to sell it. The price h
> as
> > come down quite a bit. And if the Nox lives up t
> o
> > the hype expect it to hit bottom. Half the price
> f
> > or a Nox? That's easy to decide. Yeah I see the
> E
> > Trac going bye bye. Why would anyone want to spe
> nd
> > the same amount of money for a 12 year old detec
> to
> > r that weighs twice as much and isn't waterproof
> ?
> > The Safari? Gone! Xterra? Gone! Minelab certainl
> y
> > will restructure. Units that do not sell are goi
> ng
> > to be discontinued....Very simple.
>
> Yes but there are still deep turf 'Coin hunters' w
> ho like a lock on stable I.D. that the Etrac gives
> . From what I seen so far the Nox numbers are not
> stable and jump around like a F75. Relic hunters d
> on't mind it, But most deep coin hunters hate that
> . So until that is addressed the Etrac won't be go
> ing anywhere.