Documentary

Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> Reading between the lines....Is that a requirement
> for participation, to take you to my own hunt site
> s and tell you the history and let you film?
>
> Why would anyone in their right mind want to show
> off their own secret locations on cable/internet T
> V.. Oh... and risk confiscation of all their rel
> ics when an Archie gets jealous of their collectio
> n.
>
> I dunno.
>
> HH

this is "dead nuts" accurate! ..excellent point!..why would anyone want to do that is right! are we "stupid"? .or maybe we all have a "death wish!"..this is an "unprecedented absurdity!"
talk about "obtuse!"

(h.h.!)
j.t.

> Mike

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> You should never use a 'Shovel' in a park type set
> ting.
> Out in the woods or private property with the owne
> rs permission is Fine. I don't know why some peopl
> e find that hard to see is all. And I am not alone
> in that statement.
> I guess common sense is not that common anymore.


i'm with ya harold! you are absolutely correct! ..the uncaring individuals who do it in public parks and other well kept grassy areas are not interested in popular public opinion,and cannot figure out why someone drops a dime on them for digging with a shovel in a park it reflects on ALL of us!

(h.h!)
j.t.



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Ask any non-detectorist who the Hoover Boys are and they won't know what you're talking about. Ask them if they saw the latest detecting documentary or reality show and there's a much better chance they have seen it.

YouTube detecting videos are only watched by avid detectorists. Detecting TV shows ruin the hobby by presenting it to the public who will always misunderstand it and pass judgment without a second thought.

Except for the British comedy detectorists which is the best detecting show ever created.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/11/2018 09:53PM by Badger in NH.

jmaryt Wrote:
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> Mike Hillis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Reading between the lines....Is that a requireme
> nt
> > for participation, to take you to my own hunt si
> te
> > s and tell you the history and let you film?
> >
> > Why would anyone in their right mind want to sho
> w
> > off their own secret locations on cable/internet
> T
> > V.. Oh... and risk confiscation of all their r
> el
> > ics when an Archie gets jealous of their collect
> io
> > n.
> >
> > I dunno.
> >
> > HH
>
> this is "dead nuts" accurate! ..excellent point!..
> why would anyone want to do that is right! are we
> "stupid"? .or maybe we all have a "death wish!"..t
> his is an "unprecedented absurdity!"
> talk about "obtuse!"
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.
>
> > Mike


Youtube fame....is it worth it???



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I'd rather see sock puppets metal detecting at night on a farm that they weren't supposed to hunt on!

Nighthawking Bastages



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2018 08:24PM by straker.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> Ask any non-detectorist who the Hoover Boys are an
> d they won't know what you're talking about. Ask t
> hem if they saw the latest detecting documentary o
> r reality show and there's a much better chance th
> ey have seen it.
>
> YouTube detecting videos are only watched by avid
> detectorists. Detecting TV shows ruin the hobby by
> presenting it to the public who will always misund
> erstand it and pass judgment without a second thou
> ght.
>
> Except for the British comedy detectorists which i
> s the best detecting show ever created.
>
> .


this is basically true,HOWEVER,there is still the chance that the "you tube" stuff will be stumbled upon and the wrong conclusions will be drawn as to what is revealed to people with
the wrong intentions i do agree,it is unlikely for the reason you mentioned (avid detectorists).after many,many years of detecting,i still feel that the less "exposure" we have to endure,the better!..i have seen too much over the years,and exposing our "flank" so to speak is NEVER a good idea,in my view,ESPECIALLY on national t.v.

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> Ask any non-detectorist who the Hoover Boys are an
> d they won't know what you're talking about. Ask t
> hem if they saw the latest detecting documentary o
> r reality show and there's a much better chance th
> ey have seen it.
>
> YouTube detecting videos are only watched by avid
> detectorists. Detecting TV shows ruin the hobby by
> presenting it to the public who will always misund
> erstand it and pass judgment without a second thou
> ght.
>
> Except for the British comedy detectorists which i
> s the best detecting show ever created.
>
> .

There are hundreds of fools making youtube detecting videos and by contrast few if any TV shows about it.
All your post is saying is that you think it's better to have your house torn down slowly by termites instead of rapidly by a bulldozer.
Rationalizing stupidity just lowers the bar of common sense.

I guess the old WW2 catchphrase "loose lips sink ships" is probably applicable to our hobby.
It seems that the more publicity metal detecting gets the more negative attention is drawn from bored bureaucrats with nothing better to do than write up bylaws without taking any time to look into what we do and how the majority do it.

"What, you say these people are digging in our parks? school grounds? Swim beaches"? "Someone is going to step in a hole and get hurt, "we'll be sued"!
"We better ban that activity right now, we're just lucky it hasn't happened already"!

It sure doesn't help that all the detecting shows are full of, "wow, sweet nectar"!, and "Boom Baby"!
Every innocent, uninformed viewer sees these TV diggers out there finding cool and valuable stuff every time they plant a shovel in the ground, who can blame them for wanting to run out and buy a detector and start finding/digging up their share of all that treasure!
For a change, how about a little injection of reality, not scripted fantasy TV for a change? Show the viewers the standard pile of rusty scrap iron, wire, plumbing bits, cartridges, pull-tabs, crushed aluminum cans and that all too familiar detecting scenario, disappointment, "well it sure sounded good"!
Yeah, that wouldn't sell.Not likely to ever happen. Show the mud, rain, mosquitoes, poison Oak & Ivy, broken detectors, long drives to barren sites, falls, sore backs and knees, and maybe for good measure, that nagging case of tennis elbow from swinging a detector for hours.
Yeah, didn't think so.....

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> Except for the British comedy detectorists which i
> s the best detecting show ever created.

Agree 100%. God bless Mackenzie Crook!

Well, I'm going to jump into the mix.

The real reasons anyone cares about stopping metal detecting are as follows:

The Busy bodies: These are people that have too much time on their hands and too little importance in their life. So, they feel they need to interject themselves into ANY situation that is apparent. Whether it be MD or walking the dog, they will find a reason to start a confrontation of some sort.

The Self Righteous:If it is outside the norm, these crusaders will come to the rescue! They feel that if you aren't doing a normal activity it must be wrong and therefore must stop it at all costs! They feel THEIR ideals of what's normal needs to be maintained.

The land sharks: These territorial beings get defensive when they see someone with a MD. They feel you are invading their land and destroying it! They will always come at you hyper aggressive, shouting and flailing their arms about as if you just launched an all out assault on THEIR property!

The jealous: Their are both excited and heart broken at the same time! You are taking all the valuables out of the ground and they can't! They are angry that THEY haven't thought of that first. They feel if they stop you now, then someday, they will buy a detector and get the goods!

The super parents: There children are so fragile, the mere sight of someone MD will cause them to either melt, OR steal attention from the parents destroying their fragile parental ego! Therefore, they need to embarrass, threaten, harass, or physically remove you from the area.

The employee of the month: This guy is a public worker that either is bored or bucking for a promotion. He needs to strut his stuff to get that big raise by basically bullying you out of a public area. Then later, he will share some Miller lite's with his buddies telling them how he threw some MD guy out of HIS park. His buddies will laugh, but deep down they don't give a F**K.

Druid Wrote:
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> I guess the old WW2 catchphrase "loose lips sink s
> hips" is probably applicable to our hobby.
> It seems that the more publicity metal detecting g
> ets the more negative attention is drawn from bore
> d bureaucrats with nothing better to do than write
> up bylaws without taking any time to look into wha
> t we do and how the majority do it.
>
> "What, you say these people are digging in our par
> ks? school grounds? Swim beaches"? "Someone is goi
> ng to step in a hole and get hurt, "we'll be sued"
> !
> "We better ban that activity right now, we're just
> lucky it hasn't happened already"!
>
> It sure doesn't help that all the detecting shows
> are full of, "wow, sweet nectar"!, and "Boom Baby"
> !
> Every innocent, uninformed viewer sees these TV di
> ggers out there finding cool and valuable stuff ev
> ery time they plant a shovel in the ground, who ca
> n blame them for wanting to run out and buy a dete
> ctor and start finding/digging up their share of a
> ll that treasure!
> For a change, how about a little injection of real
> ity, not scripted fantasy TV for a change? Show th
> e viewers the standard pile of rusty scrap iron, w
> ire, plumbing bits, cartridges, pull-tabs, crushed
> aluminum cans and that all too familiar detecting
> scenario, disappointment, "well it sure sounded go
> od"!
> Yeah, that wouldn't sell.Not likely to ever happen
> . Show the mud, rain, mosquitoes, poison Oak & Ivy
> , broken detectors, long drives to barren sites, f
> alls, sore backs and knees, and maybe for good mea
> sure, that nagging case of tennis elbow from swing
> ing a detector for hours.
> Yeah, didn't think so.....


dead nuts accurate!..showing JUST the glamor,and NONE of the effort,and sacrifices involved. NO MONEY in that so f**k it!
let 'em see the truth! you want to do a so-called documentary?
then show what happens on an everyday basis,and don't forget to cover those "damn holes!"

(h.h.!)
j.t.

I'm all for keeping our hobby low key. I had a frustrating experience just last night when I was told to "scram" from public property. I was detecting some curb strips in my town when a woman confronted me and said, " We don't allow metal detecting here!" I was civil and polite and said that I didn't know who "We" was in that I live here too and that I was on public property and that there is no city ordinance preventing metal detecting. Not wanting to be confrontational, I told her, nicely, that I would move on. Before leaving, I mentioned that I thought her policing activities would be better served by her policing all of the dog walkers to pick up after their dogs as the place was littered by "land mines".

No, I wasn't using a shovel. She just had something against metal detecting (or people enjoying themselves in general) . In retrospect, I believe she is just a miserable person and felt like she had to spread her misery around. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people just like her.

I see no good (for the hobby) coming from a documentary. The miserable people of the world would only see the negatives no matter how well the documentary portrayed the hobby.

Dean

I wasn't defending YouTube. Just showing how it is different to TV.

I hardly ever watch detecting videos on YouTube. The only one I'm subscribed to is Green Mountain Metal Detecting which is really well done and low key. I have the detectorists series on DVD.

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Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> Well, I'm going to jump into the mix.
>
> The real reasons anyone cares about stopping metal
> detecting are as follows:
>
> The Busy bodies: These are people that have
> too much time on their hands and too little import
> ance in their life. So, they feel they need to int
> erject themselves into ANY situation that is appar
> ent. Whether it be MD or walking the dog, they wil
> l find a reason to start a confrontation of some s
> ort.
>
> The Self Righteous:If it is outside the nor
> m, these crusaders will come to the rescue! They f
> eel that if you aren't doing a normal activity it
> must be wrong and therefore must stop it at all co
> sts! They feel THEIR ideals of what's normal needs
> to be maintained.
>
> The land sharks: These territorial beings g
> et defensive when they see someone with a MD. They
> feel you are invading their land and destroying it
> ! They will always come at you hyper aggressive, s
> houting and flailing their arms about as if you ju
> st launched an all out assault on THEIR property!
>
> The jealous: Their are both excited and hea
> rt broken at the same time! You are taking all the
> valuables out of the ground and they can't! They a
> re angry that THEY haven't thought of that first.
> They feel if they stop you now, then someday, they
> will buy a detector and get the goods!
>
> The super parents: There children are so fr
> agile, the mere sight of someone MD will cause the
> m to either melt, OR steal attention from the pare
> nts destroying their fragile parental ego! Therefo
> re, they need to embarrass, threaten, harass, or p
> hysically remove you from the area.
>
> The employee of the month: This guy is a pu
> blic worker that either is bored or bucking for a
> promotion. He needs to strut his stuff to get that
> big raise by basically bullying you out of a publi
> c area. Then later, he will share some Miller lite
> 's with his buddies telling them how he threw some
> MD guy out of HIS park. His buddies will laugh, bu
> t deep down they don't give a F**K.

Great classification of most people!!!!

I had the pleasure, (NOT!), of meeting "the employee of the month".
He stopped his garbage truck against flow of traffic facing the wrong way at the curb in the oncoming lane and with a goofy fixed grin on his face he walked over to tell me MD'ing wasn't allowed in our parks."You aren't allowed to do that"!
I explained to him that I had called the Parks office to see if MD'ing was allowed, as well as talked at length with the Parks Dept. head gardener, and the Parks Foreman.
Both of them were absolutely fine with me metal detecting, and they commented on how "surgical I was in retrieving targets.
These Parks employees were polite and curious and the lady gardener told me where she thought she had snagged, and lost a necklace while working under some shrubs, I told her if I found a necklace at that location I would call the city and get in touch with her.What a contrast.
As Craig,"employee of the month", (with his first name embroidered on his coveralls), didn't take the hint I asked for his last name.
Oh Oh suddenly this genius is on the defensive, "I don't have to tell you my last name"!
OK, I said I will just "use your first name "Craig from truck unit number 256", along with the time, date, and location when I make my formal written complaint to the Parks Manager.
Well now all of a sudden seems he is s**ting bricks, and on his cell, and stalking me in his garbage truck. I suspect he is on the line to his boss trying to cover his a** for what he figures is coming.
Later I did contact the Parks dept. and the Manager emailed me back and said "Craig, "employee of the Month" would be spoken to and instructed not to have any such interactions with citizens in the future.
She then apologized for the employee's conduct towards me.
Long story coming to a close she informed me that there are no bylaws against MD'ing, but if I was found to be causing damage to the park property I would be asked to desist. An eminently reasonable policy approach IMO.
All in all quite a difference between all the other Parks employees and my good buddy "Craig the garbage man our "employee of the month".

I will take a wild guess and say You are not using a Shovel? Otherwise they would not allow it. It's just common sense to Me But not most Youtubers.
Well so much for Tom,CA. theory don't ask as it will get You a No. Ha!

Pretty hard to do "surgery" with a shovel Harold.
As to asking, well as they say "depends who you ask".

You must be using a small hand trowel and back filling or just a screw driver?

My surgical kit:
Good ole Leshe tool, ground cloth, brass probe, and a rounded off slot screwdriver with a rare earth neodymium magnet glued in top of handle for the tiny iron bits.
Might have to add forceps...

bado1 Wrote:
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> I'm all for keeping our hobby low key. I had a fru
> strating experience just last night when I was tol
> d to "scram" from public property. I was detecting
> some curb strips in my town when a woman confronte
> d me and said, " We don't allow metal detecting he
> re!" I was civil and polite and said that I didn't
> know who "We" was in that I live here too and that
> I was on public property and that there is no city
> ordinance preventing metal detecting. Not wanting
> to be confrontational, I told her, nicely, that I
> would move on. Before leaving, I mentioned that I
> thought her policing activities would be better se
> rved by her policing all of the dog walkers to pic
> k up after their dogs as the place was littered by
> "land mines".
>
> No, I wasn't using a shovel. She just had somethin
> g against metal detecting (or people enjoying them
> selves in general) . In retrospect, I believe she
> is just a miserable person and felt like she had t
> o spread her misery around. Unfortunately, there a
> re a lot of people just like her.
>
> I see no good (for the hobby) coming from a docume
> ntary. The miserable people of the world would onl
> y see the negatives no matter how well the documen
> tary portrayed the hobby.
>
> Dean


this is true! i echo these sentiments!..has been a "constant" issue in my many years of detecting. "some" people just cannot mind their own business,AND the problem is you just do NOT know where you are going to encounter them!..you can be on a site,doing everything properly,covering your holes,and STILL get a"dime dropped" on your butt..frankly,who needs publicity of any kind in THIS hobby!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> I wasn't defending YouTube. Just showing how it is
> different to TV.
>
> I hardly ever watch detecting videos on YouTube. T
> he only one I'm subscribed to is Green Mountain Me
> tal Detecting which is really well done and low ke
> y. I have the detectorists series on DVD.
>
> .

i watch martin's stuff too!..well presented,and the guy is in the woods,so why not?..causes "zero" issues and the vids are truly interesting to watch!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Druid Wrote:
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> I had the pleasure, (NOT!), of meeting "the emp
> loyee of the month".
> He stopped his garbage truck against flow of traff
> ic facing the wrong way at the curb in the oncomin
> g lane and with a goofy fixed grin on his face he
> walked over to tell me MD'ing wasn't allowed in ou
> r parks."You aren't allowed to do that"!
> I explained to him that I had called the Parks off
> ice to see if MD'ing was allowed, as well as talke
> d at length with the Parks Dept. head gardener, an
> d the Parks Foreman.
> Both of them were absolutely fine with me metal de
> tecting, and they commented on how "surgical I was
> in retrieving targets.
> These Parks employees were polite and curious and
> the lady gardener told me where she thought she ha
> d snagged, and lost a necklace while working under
> some shrubs, I told her if I found a necklace at t
> hat location I would call the city and get in touc
> h with her.What a contrast.
> As Craig,"employee of the month", (with his
> first name embroidered on his coveralls), didn't t
> ake the hint I asked for his last name.
> Oh Oh suddenly this genius is on the defensive, "I
> don't have to tell you my last name"!
> OK, I said I will just "use your first name "Craig
> from truck unit number 256", along with the time,
> date, and location when I make my formal written c
> omplaint to the Parks Manager.
> Well now all of a sudden seems he is s**ting brick
> s, and on his cell, and stalking me in his garbage
> truck. I suspect he is on the line to his boss try
> ing to cover his a** for what he figures is coming
> .
> Later I did contact the Parks dept. and the Manage
> r emailed me back and said "Craig, "employee of
> the Month" would be spoken to and instructed n
> ot to have any such interactions with citizens in
> the future.
> She then apologized for the employee's conduct tow
> ards me.
> Long story coming to a close she informed me that
> there are no bylaws against MD'ing, but if I was f
> ound to be causing damage to the park property I w
> ould be asked to desist. An eminently reasonable p
> olicy approach IMO.
> All in all quite a difference between all the othe
> r Parks employees and my good buddy "Craig the gar
> bage man our "employee of the month".


this is 'sweet" unbelievable! just imagine having to do this constantly JUST to stay in the hobby! are you kidding me?
this 'attitude" is a direct result of a*s wipes NOT covering their holes properly,and creating issues that get the door slammed shut! we are all representatives of the hobby no matter where we go!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

If my hunting buddy and I are hunting public places, parks and the like, we get on them right at first good hunting light. Sure, we see the occasional jogger/walker but they seem pay us little mind. The fewer people around, the better.....and the riff raff usually isn't up early, either. And we don't dig with shovels and neat fill our holes.. Know many have to simply hunt when they can, but its all about perception. HH jim tn

jmaryt Wrote:
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> Badger in NH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wasn't defending YouTube. Just showing how it
> is
> > different to TV.
> >
> > I hardly ever watch detecting videos on YouTube.
> T
> > he only one I'm subscribed to is Green Mountain
> Me
> > tal Detecting which is really well done and low
> ke
> > y. I have the detectorists series on DVD.
> >
> > .
>
> i watch martin's stuff too!..well presented,and th
> e guy is in the woods,so why not?..causes "zero" i
> ssues and the vids are truly interesting to watch!
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.


I know. He's way out in the woods, digging with permission, quietly enjoying nature and finding cool stuff. Not much for anyone to complain about.

jim tn Wrote:
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> If my hunting buddy and I are hunting public place
> s, parks and the like, we get on them right at fir
> st good hunting light. Sure, we see the occasional
> jogger/walker but they seem pay us little mind. Th
> e fewer people around, the better.....and the riff
> raff usually isn't up early, either. And we don't
> dig with shovels and neat fill our holes.. Know ma
> ny have to simply hunt when they can, but its all
> about perception. HH jim tn


right! jim! perception is everything!

(h.h!)
j.t.