Equinox silver coin on edge

I must be doing to much detecting and not enough reading. I searched here on the site but didn't see anything on the subject.

This guy shot a video showing the equinox while in the multi frequency mode, unable to pick up a silver coin on edge. It would pick it up if the coin was laying flat and it would pick it up while in a single frequency mode.

Has anyone else seen the video. Was it real or a hoax or user error. Or is there actually a problem with the equinox.

Sorry if this has been discussed. I did do a search and didn't see anything about it

Gilligan Wrote:
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> I must be doing to much detecting and not enough r
> eading. I searched here on the site but didn't se
> e anything on the subject.
>
> This guy shot a video showing the equinox while in
> the multi frequency mode, unable to pick up a silv
> er coin on edge. It would pick it up if the coin
> was laying flat and it would pick it up while in a
> single frequency mode.
>
> Has anyone else seen the video. Was it real or a
> hoax or user error. Or is there actually a proble
> m with the equinox.
>
> Sorry if this has been discussed. I did do a sea
> rch and didn't see anything about it


Not a hoax.
Update fixed the issue.
I’ll post link with info.

Addressed here by manufacturer of detector.
[www.minelab.com]

Video testing AFTER update installed.
[m.youtube.com]

This video BEFORE update installed
[m.youtube.com]



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2018 05:05AM by tnsharpshooter.

IMO do not update!!!! After the update the machine became very sparky and the TID was way less accurate. The video shows "out of ground" scenarios.

I updated and after one hunt, immediately went back to the original software.

i did the update when it first came out and its was acting really crazy.. but after a few weeks i uninstalled then reinstalled it and it was great.. i think my laptop was the issue..

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> IMO do not update!!!! After the update the machine
> became very sparky and the TID was way less accura
> te. The video shows "out of ground" scenarios.
>
> I updated and after one hunt, immediately went bac
> k to the original software.


Okay beyonder. Do a you tube with big silver on edge buried. Does Equinox hit it and give good(close) ID on the scenario using older version ?
[www.detectorprospector.com]

Minelab addresses this in link in supplied link above. Why did they? If it is not true. As far as buried big silver coins,



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2018 03:47PM by tnsharpshooter.

I've found that the update worked just fine, machine runs stable and I was recently lucky to dig a seated coin cache (twelve seated coins in all) and several were on edge, yet the Equinox was able to detect them without issue.

GL&HH,
Cal

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> -----
> > IMO do not update!!!! After the update the machi
> ne
> > became very sparky and the TID was way less accu
> ra
> > te. The video shows "out of ground" scenarios.
> >
> > I updated and after one hunt, immediately went b
> ac
> > k to the original software.
>
>
> Okay beyonder. Do a you tube with big silver on e
> dge buried. Does Equinox hit it and give good(clo
> se) ID on the scenario using older version ?
> [www.detectorprospector.com]
> 45-i-just-did-a-coin-on-edge-test/
>
> Minelab addresses this in link in supplied link ab
> ove. Why did they? If it is not true. As far as
> buried big silver coins,

You know that fresh buried targets act nearly identical to unburied targets.

Here is the thing: on edge. First how many coins are exactly 90 degrees on edge? And if they are? They eventually come out of that 90 degree angle as coins shift position with the ground expanding and contracting or dry compression, wet expansion over time.

The "rushed" update was the result of one guy posting "out of ground" videos that panicked everyone.

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> -----
> > Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > IMO do not update!!!! After the update the mac
> hi
> > ne
> > > became very sparky and the TID was way less ac
> cu
> > ra
> > > te. The video shows "out of ground" scenarios.
> > >
> > > I updated and after one hunt, immediately went
> b
> > ac
> > > k to the original software.
> >
> >
> > Okay beyonder. Do a you tube with big silver on
> e
> > dge buried. Does Equinox hit it and give good(c
> lo
> > se) ID on the scenario using older version ?
> > [www.detectorprospector.com]
> 66
> > 45-i-just-did-a-coin-on-edge-test/
> >
> > Minelab addresses this in link in supplied link
> ab
> > ove. Why did they? If it is not true. As far a
> s
> > buried big silver coins,
>
> You know that fresh buried targets act nearly iden
> tical to unburied targets.
>
> Here is the thing: on edge. First how many coins a
> re exactly 90 degrees on edge? And if they are? Th
> ey eventually come out of that 90 degree angle as
> coins shift position with the ground expanding and
> contracting or dry compression, wet expansion over
> time.
>
> The "rushed" update was the result of one guy post
> ing "out of ground" videos that panicked everyone.


Actually update come a while after Minelab as passed the info.
Not rushed.
How do you know anyways.
You work for them??

The update has been fantastic for me. No chance I’m rolling mine back!
Not only has it improved the coin on edge detection, but also has greatly improved the depth meter and
audio modulation which was terrible before the update.

As far as coins on edge. I find a surprising number of them and I’m guessing soil type might factor in as
to how many might be in your location. Just a speculation on my part.

Bryan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2018 05:37PM by Cabin Fever.

There are a lot more coins on edge out there then many hunters realize....from my 47 years of coin hunting experience. HH jim tn

to be honest ive never found so many coins on edge than i do now with the newly updated nox 800. used to be once in a while with other detectors, now its every time out..

The old program can miss silver...... or read it on edge with very low digits... 1 - 2. But if you swing a gold ring.... at three angles.... flat, then on edge across the coil turn it and again across the coil depending on depth you will miss it or get a very low digit. New program that i tried did fix that. There has been a lot of talk about the down load not taking and requiring you to do a factory reset before and after. I went back and forth several time and had no problem. I also tested over a 100 pieces of gold with both programs......and didnt find a real depth difference. That said .... i salt water hunt and find the old program reacts better for ME. I believe some, like me, just gained more confidence in the old program.... and it may well act different for dirt hunters than water hunters..... there are different modes. I did find it odd that ML specifically mentioned things it updated....... but obviously that up date changed some other things to me.... but thats me.

Any time you change (update) a few things in a electronic device...….. it might (unknowingly/unsuspectingly/unwantingly) change other parameters. It is not until; later on down-the-road..... do these things start to surface.

Let me add a little more. Recently id been hunting a local beach in the water...... digging it all with the Nox. So i grabbed the Xcal one day. I found only 2 pennies........ well besides the $3.50 worth of DEEP (on the edge of being heard in PP) very black quarters. These coins were all over the place so we arent talking coin spill. Were they missed, were they on edge, did just enough sand get moved, or was i out a bit further (dont think so at chest deep that day and i know this beach). This was the OLD program. But .... im gold hunting not really coin hunting and i felt this was acceptable CHERRY PICKING for that depth. The new program runs a little quieter....... i assume ML did it for EMI or the thought that to many people didnt like how chatty it was in the salt water. I just feel this made it a little less sensitive to gold in the salt water.

The old Minelab Sov with the Sunray 12" coil was a killer on coins on edge.

See this thread. What the original version was doing with big silver coins on edge was it seems reported to manufacturer in the Feb/March 2018 time frame.
When was latest version released correcting ?? Sep 2018.
[www.detectorprospector.com]

So this update not rushed it seems.
[www.minelab.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2018 04:56AM by tnsharpshooter.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> See this thread. What the original version was do
> ing with big silver coins on edge was it seems rep
> orted to manufacturer in the Feb/March 2018 time f
> rame.
> When was latest version released correcting ?? Sep
> 2018.
> [www.detectorprospector.com]
> 45-i-just-did-a-coin-on-edge-test/?page=4
>
> So this update not rushed it seems.
> [www.minelab.com]
> ticle=339853


OUT of ground. We all know that air tests do not, and cannot represent actual in ground conditions.

As for it being rushed, I have no direct sources that has said that. However, It feels rushed.

I run my machine at 25 sensitivity. After the update,

The TID is jumpy
the machine is sparky
the overall smoothness/feeling of the machine was changed.

It didn't act that way before.

It could be that if I download it again it might be different. Then again it might not. I will say this again, how many coins, in ground, are exactly 90 degrees?

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> -----
> > See this thread. What the original version w
> as do
> > ing with big silver coins on edge was it see
> ms rep
> > orted to manufacturer in the Feb/March 2018 time
> f
> > rame.
> > When was latest version released correcting ?? S
> ep
> > 2018.
> > [www.detectorprospector.com]
> 66
> > 45-i-just-did-a-coin-on-edge-test/?page=4
> >
> > So this update not rushed it seems.
> > [www.minelab.com]?
> ar
> > ticle=339853
>
>
> OUT of ground. We all know that air tests do not,
> and cannot represent actual in ground conditions.
>
> As for it being rushed, I have no direct sources t
> hat has said that. However, It feels rushed.
>
> I run my machine at 25 sensitivity. After the upda
> te,
>
> The TID is jumpy
> the machine is sparky
> the overall smoothness/feeling of the machine was
> changed.
>
> It didn't act that way before.
>
> It could be that if I download it again it might b
> e different. Then again it might not. I will say t
> his again, how many coins, in ground, are exactly
> 90 degrees?


Well,
An interesting subject here.
So here goes.
When we as humans swing a metal detector it is generally in some form of arc.
So coil (bottom) is not perpendicular to ground all the time.
So it would seeem to me a coin slightly tilted and buried in the wild, depending on where a detectorist’s sweep actually catches it could mean no detection, some detection or grand detection.
Coins don’t have to be ideally on edge buried for a detectorists to actually experience “ on edge “ affect when detecting.

This is also imo why fbs/fbs2 detectors do well in this area.
Why?
Because they can be creeped around slow, and detect pretty much their entire depth capability. A sweep is not really needed to get good depth. Can’t say this about many other detectors.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2018 02:14PM by tnsharpshooter.

I just walked out to the garage and grabbed two walking liberty halves recently found......they read 32 flat..... and 22 on edge. Even with turned on edge with the smallest surface crossing the coil i read 11. Yes on edge you loose some depth, but thats expected from any machine. Im using the OLD program..... but ive loaded and unloaded the update several times for tests. Im wondering if they did something to the old program to improve it as well??? Why .... because i did test some halves when people were talking about it .... mine at that time would read 32..... and drop down to as low as 2 on edge.

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> I just walked out to the garage and grabbed two wa
> lking liberty halves recently found......they read
> 32 flat..... and 22 on edge. Even with turned on
> edge with the smallest surface crossing the coil i
> read 11. Yes on edge you loose some depth, but t
> hats expected from any machine. Im using the OLD
> program..... but ive loaded and unloaded the updat
> e several times for tests. Im wondering if they
> did something to the old program to improve it as
> well??? Why .... because i did test some halves w
> hen people were talking about it .... mine at that
> time would read 32..... and drop down to as low as
> 2 on edge.

Which detect mode are you using in test above (with older version)?
I am betting NOT Park 1.

Repeat test using silver dollar.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2018 02:18PM by tnsharpshooter.

Tenn......i was using beach 1 my settings. So i switched to both park 1 and 2 which are factory setting....... all most exact reading..... 31....22. So..... hum what changed because i know i had big silver reading in the very low digits? I tested silver quarters and dimes as well. Nothing unexpected there considering the amount of surface crossing the coil when on edge.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2018 03:45PM by dewcon4414.

Beyonder,

TNSS is right, Minelab DID learn about the issue in Feb./Mar. I can personally attest to that.

I would also say that what you describe with the update is NOT what I experience. Mine is LESS chatty, if anything, the "pinpoint quirk" regarding volume when engaging PP mode at times, has been greatly reduced, and there is some improvement (albeit somewhat "mixed," from my testing) with large on-edge silver. Mine is still nice and "smooth," and I too run mine as maxed-out in sensitivity as conditions allow (and even a bit more than conditions allow, at times, LOL!)

Perhaps your first install didn't "take" well, as some have suggested. I'm not sure how that could be possible, but I have heard others who installed the update, found it "odd" and "chatty" and just "off," and then re-installed it and all is well now.

Just a thought.

Steve

I just downloaded latest utility download dated 3 dec 2018.
And put older version back in my detector using the above.

You tube vid coming soon.
To show old version even using latest utility dated download is a poor performer on Big silver on edge.
Stay tuned.
Will post shortly.

Here is video. Target is actually silver half dollar on edge. I misspoke at end of video saying silver dollar. Folks should still get the right idea.

[m.youtube.com]

Yep I tried the same test once I seen the new December 3rd download.. works very good on new update 1.75 and is quiet and deep.





tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Here is video. Target is actually silver half dol
> lar on edge. I misspoke at end of video saying si
> lver dollar. Folks should still get the right ide
> a.
>
> [m.youtube.com]

Btw, after hooking my EQx up to my computer with latest utility dated download. Utility said my EQx was updated, saying no update. So this updated utility I don’t think is part of any actual version update to detector. Maybe a small bug fix with utility with the way it works. I can be 100% sure. But makes sense to me.

My unit before hooking up to new dated utility had Aug 2018 in it.

If i remember right it does say that if you have updated your machine...... only way it wont is if you hit those three dots in the lower right corner which gives you the option to go back to the old program. IF you down load the old version again........ then the site will tell you there is a newer version of the program.

Crap.... may have just messed up my machine now. I did a mode reset for both parks ..... im using the old program...... now it does do what yours does give low digits AGAIN. Should have left well enough a lone lol. Lucky i didnt touch my beach modes.

Yes I feel as if it made the download to the detector smoother. I also feel it runs better because of it.

If i remember right it does say that if you have updated your machine...... only way it wont is if you hit those three dots in the lower right corner which gives you the option to go back to the old program. IF you down load the old version again........ then the site will tell you there is a newer version of the program.

Crap.... may have just messed up my machine now. I did a mode reset for both parks ..... im using the old program...... now it does do what yours does give low digits AGAIN. Should have left well enough a lone lol. Lucky i didnt touch my beach modes. I also noted ..... depending where that coin was it gave different reading. Kind of all over the place.

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> I just walked out to the garage and grabbed two wa
> lking liberty halves recently found......they read
> 32 flat..... and 22 on edge. Even with turned on
> edge with the smallest surface crossing the coil i
> read 11. Yes on edge you loose some depth, but t
> hats expected from any machine. Im using the OLD
> program..... but ive loaded and unloaded the updat
> e several times for tests. Im wondering if they
> did something to the old program to improve it as
> well??? Why .... because i did test some halves w
> hen people were talking about it .... mine at that
> time would read 32..... and drop down to as low as
> 2 on edge.

I believe you are right cause when I got my Equinox 600 it ran smooth and pinpointing was a breeze then I up loaded the new update did not like it so I uploaded the old software but it did not run as smooth or pinpoint as well and I think it lost depth the unit never ran as good as before the update even with me reloading the original software,