THE LONG AWAITED CZ3D

Only problem with that is the coins. Current clad won’t make battery money if you don’t also collect aluminum cans and roadkill (google “mudpuppy detector”) to learn the ins and outs of high speed sustainable harvesting of civilizations metallic and meat discards - seriously - he writes beautifully and is funny as hell!

So called - old silver - is probably masked, not buried beyond 10”

Ask Tom, he will tell you - heck he has been telling us for a decade.

Coin shooting is more profitable at Coinstar than in the dirt - sad.

Now, you want to talk money - tokens - buttons - relics of all kinds.

I belong to the oldest detector club in PHoenix - 50 years old this year. Find of the year is regularly a relic - not a coin.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Only problem with that is the coins. Current clad
> won’t make battery money if you don’t also collect
> aluminum cans and roadkill (google “mudpuppy detec
> tor”) to learn the ins and outs of high speed sust
> ainable harvesting of civilizations metallic and m
> eat discards - seriously - he writes beautifully a
> nd is funny as hell!
>
> So called - old silver - is probably masked, not b
> uried beyond 10”
>
> Ask Tom, he will tell you - heck he has been telli
> ng us for a decade.
>
> Coin shooting is more profitable at Coinstar than
> in the dirt - sad.
>
> Now, you want to talk money - tokens - buttons - r
> elics of all kinds.
>
> I belong to the oldest detector club in PHoenix -
> 50 years old this year. Find of the year is regul
> arly a relic - not a coin.

I told folks in a thread just recently on another forum.
A person’s best find likely isn’t a silver coin.
A real rare one though could be by a select few.

Let’s see an old silver or a GW button?
I’ll take the button.
Here’s one.
[www.pbs.org]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 12:16AM by tnsharpshooter.

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Coin shooting is more profitable at Coinstar than
> in the dirt - sad.

Rick...I actually said that to myself today, thinking about the guy who found all that silver in one of them.

Calabash keep them coming love the vids .sube

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Only problem with that is the coins. Current clad
> won’t make battery money if you don’t also collect
> aluminum cans and roadkill (google “mudpuppy detec
> tor”) to learn the ins and outs of high speed sust
> ainable harvesting of civilizations metallic and m
> eat discards - seriously - he writes beautifully a
> nd is funny as hell!
>
> So called - old silver - is probably masked, not b
> uried beyond 10”
>
> Ask Tom, he will tell you - heck he has been telli
> ng us for a decade.
>
> Coin shooting is more profitable at Coinstar than
> in the dirt - sad.
>
> Now, you want to talk money - tokens - buttons - r
> elics of all kinds.
>
> I belong to the oldest detector club in PHoenix -
> 50 years old this year. Find of the year is regul
> arly a relic - not a coin.

USED to be "selling detectors" WAS money. beat hell out of all those listed. why beat yourself up hunting?..just sell 'em instead!.NOW? not so sure!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

therover61 Wrote:
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> lytle78 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Coin shooting is more profitable at Coinstar tha
> n
> > in the dirt - sad.
>
> Rick...I actually said that to myself today, think
> ing about the guy who found all that silver in one
> of them.

gotta be a long,cold ass winter to be thinkin' that!
hope springs eternal! ..i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

jmaryt Wrote:

> gotta be a long,cold ass winter to be thinkin' tha
> t!
> hope springs eternal! ..i'm just sayin'
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.

You have no idea j.t.

At least we are out of February !

Funny thing about AZ. The last state admitted to the Union (except for tundra and volcanos in funny places) - we take great interest in 100 year old relics. Anything marked A.T. (Arizona Territory) is worth $$. Trade tokens from long lost bars in long lost boomtowns are worth more that key date silver in many cases.

Our 50 year old club has a long record of relics sold by the lucky finder for $$$$$.

Here I sit with an Achulean hand axe found by me in Saudi Arabia - 275,000 years old - minimum. Well documented. Worth probably $25 on eBay.

It’s not what you find, it’s how you feel about it. And if you are thinking about more than battery money - it’s how other folks feel about it.

One of my favorite finds was in Oslo, Norway when we lived there. It was a 9mm pistol or sub machine gun round. Drilled through from side to side just above the base and a thin silver wire (broken, hence the loss) put through to suspend it - perhaps on a neck chain. The cartridge was British WWII issue 1943 with the “broad arrow” head stamp. The primer was indented - but the round was unfixed - bullet still in place.

So many times I wondered what untold story lay behind that - a resistance fighter in a shoot-out with the occupation forces in WWII - escaped because the round misfired - but how could he end up with the cartridge - an why would the Nazis have British ammo - or what - a meeting in the dark gone wrong and one homefront fighter confronting another by mistake and the Sten gun or pistol misfired and a tradegy averted.

I do not seek money in the ground - I can make that by doing work which pleases me “aboveground” - I seek knowledge - and perhaps mystery.

I think a lot of us are that way.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 02:07AM by lytle78.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> lytle78 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tnss - if you don’t eat road kill, my respect fo
> r
> > you is marginally decreased - come on - admit it
> !
> > Lol
>
>
> Naw, don’t have to eat road kill. Courtesy of Unc
> le Sam.
> Did pluck a small varmit today at 64 yards with ri
> mmie. Headshot. Bingo.
> So the name tnss lives on. Lol

scope or iron sights?

Funny how someone thinks any deep target IDs at 99 vs a machine that IDs a deep target iron. Really, what is the difference. Deep coin, foil, pull tab, nail at 99 vs the same with iron ID? 99 HIGH TONE VS LOW IRON TONE? Gimmick?

I got my cataracts replaced by plastic lenses a couple of years ago. funny thing about that. Your old cloudy biological lenses stretch and focus at various distances. Plastic doesn’t do that. The “depth of focus” is very shallow at close distances, so reading glasses are still required unless you pony up for the high priced so called multi focal lenses. So ...

I have the garden variety fixed focal length ones - optimized for infinity - where I have scary good vision. Now back to iron sights. Receiver sights “ghost” the rear and let you just put the front dot on the target. My fantastic plastic lenses make that DEADLY. With a an open aperture at the rear and a small gold bead at the front on a nice long 24” barrel of a pre WWII 22 rifle, I can poke a sprrow’s Wye out at 50 yards - but of coues I wouldn’t - some of my best friends are sparrows.

Road kill on the other hand....

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Funny thing is, that anyone who takes these new machines out to hunt with people who know how to run a F75LTD or T2SE and think they will win most of the time will probably get hurt feelings.

One thing you fail to realize is I know the Deus and Equinox. A F75 OR T2 User will have a bad day around me in iron...or in open ground on super deep relics. BTW my mentor was has been at 30 yrs threw his T2 down after I blew his doors off numerous times swinging the Deus and that was with the LF coil. Now the HF coils are out and it is even better....He swings a Deus now. The F75 is another one of those tired detector models that needs redoing.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 03:29AM by calabash digger.

I am wondering if your ground balance is set right usually in little to no ground mineral its set at 10 according to the manual. Yours is around 2 on the videos. In my dirt which is bad a CZ balances out around 5 or 6 coming from the dial being originally set at 10.

3. If you don’t get any audio response, or just a very faint one
as you rotate the GROUND control from 10 all the way to 0,
you’re probably in an area where there’s very little ground
mineralization. Just leave the GROUND control at 10 and
begin searching.
4. Recheck your ground balance occasionally and make sure you
haven’t accidentally moved the MODE switch.

This is from the manual.

Hey Cal -- Show em what it will do in that hot dirt sample you got from PA.

therover61 Wrote:
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> jmaryt Wrote:
>
> > gotta be a long,cold ass winter to be thinkin' t
> ha
> > t!
> > hope springs eternal! ..i'm just sayin'
> >
> > (h.h.!)
> > j.t.
>
> You have no idea j.t.
>
> At least we are out of February !


sure to be! march can be "nasty" we need some of dat ''global warming"..ehe! he! he!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

kevinnc Wrote:
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> Funny thing is, that anyone who takes these new ma
> chines out to hunt with people who know how to run
> a F75LTD or T2SE and think they will win most of t
> he time will probably get hurt feelings.


i have heard that mentioned one or two times somewhere!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

calabash digger Wrote:
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> One thing you fail to realize is I know the Deus a
> nd Equinox. A F75 OR T2 User will have a bad day a
> round me in iron...or in open ground on super deep
> relics. BTW my mentor was has been at 30 yrs threw
> his T2 down after I blew his doors off numerous ti
> mes swinging the Deus and that was with the LF coi
> l. Now the HF coils are out and it is even better.
> ...He swings a Deus now. The F75 is another one of
> those tired detector models that needs redoing.


ohhhh! @#$%&! here we go again!

(h.h.!)
j.t.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 07:38AM by jmaryt.

bado1 Wrote:
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> doc holiday Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > calabash digger Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Who cares they were putting out crap...If Ford
> ,
> > Ch
> > > evy, or even Dodge sold you a car that had to
> be
> > w
> > > orked on as soon as you drove it out of the ga
> te
> > y
> > > ou would not put up with it for a minute. My m
> en
> > to
> > > r used the F75 and T2 machines when they firs
> t
> > ca
> > > me out and it was the same kind of crap. coun
> tl
> > es
> > > s Updates , he broke 3 machines , and the T2 h
> e
> > ha
> > > d would run erratic when it got humid because
> fi
> > rs
> > > t texas didnt seal something in it and on and
> on
> > .
> > > You should be mad at companies selling sub par
> p
> > ro
> > > ducts and not trying to justify it. Detectoris
> t
> > ar
> > > e really a strange bunch sometimes..
> > >
> > > Oh you just sold me a new detector for a 1000
> bu
> > ck
> > > s and I need to get fixed.... not only is that
> O
> > K
> > > I will even take up for you and justify it....
> .
> > RI
> > > DICULOUS
> >
> > A fellow on this forum has a thriving business s
> el
> > ling replacement shafts for the, GASP, NoKnox.
>
>
> A new shaft for the Nox is purely a "luxury" and c
> ertainly not necessary. Imagine how all of you Neg
> ative Nancy's would react if the Nox HAD to be sen
> t in to be calibrated and certified AFTER purchase
> ! But, somehow, this 20 year old CZ machine gets
> a pass from you guys!? Weird.
>
> Dean

Soooo you know for a FACT that your Nox would Not benefit from a calibration by an expert?? Please enlighten the unwashed with your knowledge.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > doc holiday Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > calabash digger Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > Who cares they were putting out crap...If Fo
> rd
> > ,
> > > Ch
> > > > evy, or even Dodge sold you a car that had t
> o
> > be
> > > w
> > > > orked on as soon as you drove it out of the
> ga
> > te
> > > y
> > > > ou would not put up with it for a minute. My
> m
> > en
> > > to
> > > > r used the F75 and T2 machines when they fi
> rs
> > t
> > > ca
> > > > me out and it was the same kind of crap. co
> un
> > tl
> > > es
> > > > s Updates , he broke 3 machines , and the T2
> h
> > e
> > > ha
> > > > d would run erratic when it got humid becaus
> e
> > fi
> > > rs
> > > > t texas didnt seal something in it and on an
> d
> > on
> > > .
> > > > You should be mad at companies selling sub p
> ar
> > p
> > > ro
> > > > ducts and not trying to justify it. Detector
> is
> > t
> > > ar
> > > > e really a strange bunch sometimes..
> > > >
> > > > Oh you just sold me a new detector for a 100
> 0
> > bu
> > > ck
> > > > s and I need to get fixed.... not only is th
> at
> > O
> > > K
> > > > I will even take up for you and justify it..
> ..
> > .
> > > RI
> > > > DICULOUS
> > >
> > > A fellow on this forum has a thriving business
> s
> > el
> > > ling replacement shafts for the, GASP, NoKnox.
> >
> >
> > A new shaft for the Nox is purely a "luxury" and
> c
> > ertainly not necessary. Imagine how all of you N
> eg
> > ative Nancy's would react if the Nox HAD to be s
> en
> > t in to be calibrated and certified AFTER purcha
> se
> > ! But, somehow, this 20 year old CZ machine get
> s
> > a pass from you guys!? Weird.
> >
> > Dean
>
> Soooo you know for a FACT that your Nox would Not
> benefit from a calibration by an expert?? Please e
> nlighten the unwashed with your knowledge.


Sure I know... nobody is trying to make a buck by advertising "Nox calibration and certification services"!
Plus, just in case you hadn't heard, we have been updating/calibrating our detectors online now in the comfort of our own homes...for free.
Now you are washed.

Dean

I am glad you washed him Dean so I didnt have to...BTW I have been around 5 Nox units and talked to countless others and the performance seems to exactly the same across the board. Same thing with the Deus...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 01:45PM by calabash digger.

Yeah Noxzema cleansed ole doc it seems. Lol

[www.amazon.com]

doc holiday Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > doc holiday Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > calabash digger Wrote:
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> --
> > --
> > > -----
> > > > Who cares they were putting out crap...If Fo
> rd
> > ,
> > > Ch
> > > > evy, or even Dodge sold you a car that had t
> o
> > be
> > > w
> > > > orked on as soon as you drove it out of the
> ga
> > te
> > > y
> > > > ou would not put up with it for a minute. My
> m
> > en
> > > to
> > > > r used the F75 and T2 machines when they fi
> rs
> > t
> > > ca
> > > > me out and it was the same kind of crap. co
> un
> > tl
> > > es
> > > > s Updates , he broke 3 machines , and the T2
> h
> > e
> > > ha
> > > > d would run erratic when it got humid becaus
> e
> > fi
> > > rs
> > > > t texas didnt seal something in it and on an
> d
> > on
> > > .
> > > > You should be mad at companies selling sub p
> ar
> > p
> > > ro
> > > > ducts and not trying to justify it. Detector
> is
> > t
> > > ar
> > > > e really a strange bunch sometimes..
> > > >
> > > > Oh you just sold me a new detector for a 100
> 0
> > bu
> > > ck
> > > > s and I need to get fixed.... not only is th
> at
> > O
> > > K
> > > > I will even take up for you and justify it..
> ..
> > .
> > > RI
> > > > DICULOUS
> > >
> > > A fellow on this forum has a thriving business
> s
> > el
> > > ling replacement shafts for the, GASP, NoKnox.
> >
> >
> > A new shaft for the Nox is purely a "luxury" and
> c
> > ertainly not necessary. Imagine how all of you N
> eg
> > ative Nancy's would react if the Nox HAD to be s
> en
> > t in to be calibrated and certified AFTER purcha
> se
> > ! But, somehow, this 20 year old CZ machine get
> s
> > a pass from you guys!? Weird.
> >
> > Dean
>
> Soooo you know for a FACT that your Nox would Not
> benefit from a calibration by an expert?? Please e
> nlighten the unwashed with your knowledge.


the "great" unwashed!" ehe! he! he!

(h.h.!)
j.t.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 04:14PM by jmaryt.

Modern designs don’t have the tens of trimmers that an old design like the CZ has. Instead of analog circuits, software does the demodulation and user feedback. Nothing to calibrate.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Modern designs don’t have the tens of trimmers tha
> t an old design like the CZ has. Instead of analo
> g circuits, software does the demodulation and use
> r feedback. Nothing to calibrate.


Correct.
The "unwashed" were not aware of that, apparently.

Dean

bado1 Wrote:
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> lytle78 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Modern designs don’t have the tens of trimmers t
> ha
> > t an old design like the CZ has. Instead of ana
> lo
> > g circuits, software does the demodulation and u
> se
> > r feedback. Nothing to calibrate.
>
>
> Correct.
> The "unwashed" were not aware of that, apparently.
>
> Dean

Those "at home update/calibrations" were done by YOU or some expert who wrote the software so that you could do the update on line-----and you do understand that these updates were not free---you paid for them up front.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> bado1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > lytle78 Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Modern designs don’t have the tens of trimmers
> t
> > ha
> > > t an old design like the CZ has. Instead of a
> na
> > lo
> > > g circuits, software does the demodulation and
> u
> > se
> > > r feedback. Nothing to calibrate.
> >
> >
> > Correct.
> > The "unwashed" were not aware of that, apparentl
> y.
> >
> > Dean
>
> Those "at home update/calibrations" were done by Y
> OU or some expert who wrote the software so that y
> ou could do the update on line-----and you do unde
> rstand that these updates were not free---you paid
> for them up front.

Yep. Perhaps I should have said,"at no additional cost". What a bargain!

Dean



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2019 10:57PM by bado1.

I have went to the newer technology a Nox and a ORX I still like the old CZ'S. The main reason for the switch wasn't just for performance reasons it was also the lighter weight.

You got that right 88....remember the days of yore when some units looked like suitcases and weighed a ton compared to today.

Can only wonder what the future holds 10 years from now.