Vanquish

Watched the video. Audio sounds pretty much like the Russian AKA Berkut did.

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

NASA-Tom --

Understood!

Thank you,

Steve

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> It is quite similar to the EQX.
>
> steveg…….. At this time...… I cannot answer your q
> uestion.

Abenson Wrote:
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> Hard to say but after watching that video, I don't
> think I'll be buying one, even as a backup. If you
> 're new to the hobby, it would be a great machine.
> But for other experienced users it looks like a st
> ep back to me. I get what market they are trying t
> o capture though and I think they have a winner th
> ere for sure. It will be interesting to see if the
> re is a backlog of orders like the Equinox once it
> 's officially out.
>
> Makes you wonder what the other metal detector man
> ufactures that have access to multi-frequency have
> been doing. I can think of two that could have gon
> e after this same market and released a similar ma
> chine. There have got to be some worried CEO's IMO
> . Time to wake up!
>
> Minelab now pretty much has the market dominated f
> rom entry level to expensive PI's, with no competi
> tion except XP (and that is a small niche) IMO of
> course. Maybe Fisher with a PI but how many years
> has it been now waiting for that?


they won't be doing anything unless they can "somehow''
circumvent minelab's patents one can assume both the nox,and the vnq
have been " dissected" on a test bench looking for ways around the patents.
just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

I've noticed that Tom's "only 12% more separation" has become a reason for a lot of Nox users to dismiss the small coil.

But your percentage probably wouldn't be too far off if you said the big coil "only gets 15% more depth"

So if it's a relatively equal percentage, wouldn't the additional separation be more of an advantage than depth in trashier locales?

The 6" is great for getting into those tight spots the 11" cannot. For moderate iron the 11" works pretty well, heck even the 15" worked well for me at a sea of nails old stage stop netting three more period silver coins

For all but the most iron infested sites, the Equinox has been a great coin and relic machine.

marcomo Wrote:
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> I've noticed that Tom's "only 12% more separation"
> has become a reason for a lot of Nox users to dism
> iss the small coil.
>
> But your percentage probably wouldn't be too far o
> ff if you said the big coil "only gets 15% more de
> pth"
>
> So if it's a relatively equal percentage, wouldn't
> the additional separation be more of an advantage
> than depth in trashier locales?


Coverage is another factor. My issue is the posts that claim they found so many more targets with the 6 inch after hunting a site with the stock coil. I have hunted a few sites like that and my return.....two mercs......value about 1.50.


I have no issues with small coils and even like to swing them myself. But this multi IQ has made the small coil folk lore stories obsolete. The return just isn't there.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2019 11:57PM by goodmore.

Sometimes that additional depth can quickly go away in trash.....to many targets under the coil also for coverage. ML does seem to be gaining more and more of the market....Tesoro is gone will whites follow if ML continues selling great detectors at a great price with crazy warranties

The spec"s shows it being a basic city park Detector/ Sports Field/ Tot Lot Type Detector. Throw it in your car, hit The city park after work for some coin & jewelry.

The Spec's looks good . Replacement for Xterra Line

Rob in (ca) Wrote:
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> The spec"s shows it being a basic city park Detect
> or/ Sports Field/ Tot Lot Type Detector. Throw it
> in your car, hit The city park after work for som
> e coin & jewelry.
>
> The Spec's looks good . Replacement for Xterra Lin
> e


wouldn't it be special if after some hours in the field, the vanquish
came close to matching eq performance! ..just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

If it gets Nox / Etrac type Depth ....yes ......but at this Price point ?..... I like the 8inch coil.

It's more of a Replacement for The Safari than The Xterra & The Safari was a Deep Detector, we will know in 4 Months.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/22/2019 10:36PM by Rob in (ca).

yes! time afield will tell all!..one must keep in mind,it has muti-freak (simultaneous) technology,
which is apparently making a difference in "junked out" parks, so who knows!
looks "cheap" thought,BUT the "juice" is in the software!
just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

I watched a video on youtube with the Vanquish 540 by Paul Cee and I personally wasn't that impressed with how I saw it perform, I don't want to be a negative Nellie but it didn't look like it was any better than say an X Terra. Don't get me wrong I like Minelab detectors and I have had a few, it just seemed to have lack luster performance in that video anyway. The air test at the end of the video just seemed average. I am going to reserve judgement until I see more tests and performance video's on the machine but I don't want to run out and buy one like I did with the Nox.It's early yet , need more info.

right! "smart money" says wait! ..price point is attractive though!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

coinspader Wrote:
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> I watched a video on youtube with the Vanquish 540
> by Paul Cee and I personally wasn't that impresse
> d with how I saw it perform, I don't want to be a
> negative Nellie but it didn't look like it was any
> better than say an X Terra. Don't get me wrong I l
> ike Minelab detectors and I have had a few, it jus
> t seemed to have lack luster performance in that v
> ideo anyway. The air test at the end of the video
> just seemed average. I am going to reserve judgeme
> nt until I see more tests and performance video's
> on the machine but I don't want to run out and buy
> one like I did with the Nox.It's early yet , need
> more info.

The worst place in the world to try getting [ a smooth stable ] detector - TOO MUCH interference from hundreds of other units on and 'beeping' at the same time and don't forget the 'pin pointer's' beeping away too!
Wouldn't take too much salt with those 'Detectival' videos!

I'll buy a "V540 w/8" accessory coil" in good time and won't be running out right away to get one!
I won't be having a "Simplex" either, as I can't stand those [ High in the air iPhone type ] control boxes (a big reason for my not keeping a 'EQX 600')



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2019 03:33PM by Des D.

Finally Des, that will explain your dislike for the Go-Finds then_never did get an answer from
you as to why you regard the Go-Finds as a white elephant/flop

As for the SimplEX, I have not seen anyone else complain about the position of the control housing

however

Did you see the rundown of the features and specifications on the SimplEX and its performance in the
test beds? Or were you simply put off by the fact that you did not like the look of it and then decided to flag it?

I find it hard to fathom that this particular release does not get you excited Des_NOTHING else has come close
to the performance and features at this price point_We look forward to those comparisons you were looking
at doing with the SimplEX and some of those more attractive units you are familiar with -

cheers

oh btw - I just skipped through your Nox 600 Review (nice write up) however only skipped over most of it but read the Section
on the Control Housing & Conclusion and did not see anything written regarding your displeasure in reference to the position of
control panel_it may be me as I have glaucoma, but I was under the impression that when you or anyone for that matter writes a
review, they highlight both the good and the bad points so that maybe just maybe the manufacturer picks up on it? Obviously the
control housing position is a big influence on your experience with the detector and as you have just stated, it played a major roll in why you
no longer use the Nox 600

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2019 11:17PM by rustic charm.

If the Simplex had been released say 3yrs ago pre- multi IQ, it would have been a run away success with its high spec vs price.
But the market has moved on with 'new tech' in the multi IQ Nox, even over much more expensive detectors has been a massive hit, and offering multi IQ in the Vanquish at a much lower price has done the Simplex no favours.




rustic charm Wrote:
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> Finally Des, that will explain your dislike for th
> e Go-Finds then_never did get an answer from
> you as to why you regard the Go-Finds as a white e
> lephant/flop
>
> As for the SimplEX, I have not seen anyone else co
> mplain about the position of the control housing
>
> however
>
> Did you see the rundown of the features and specif
> ications on the SimplEX and its performance in the
> test beds? Or were you simply put off by the fact
> that you did not like the look of it and then deci
> ded to flag it?
>
> I find it hard to fathom that this particular rele
> ase does not get you excited Des_NOTHING else has
> come close
> to the performance and features at this price poin
> t_We look forward to those comparisons you were lo
> oking
> at doing with the SimplEX and some of those more a
> ttractive units you are familiar with -
>
> cheers
>
> oh btw - I just skipped through your Nox 600 Revie
> w (nice write up) however only skipped over most o
> f it but read the Section
> on the Control Housing & Conclusion and did not se
> e anything written regarding your displeasure in r
> eference to the position of
> control panel_it may be me as I have glaucoma, but
> I was under the impression that when you or anyone
> for that matter writes a
> review, they highlight both the good and the bad p
> oints so that maybe just maybe the manufacturer pi
> cks up on it? Obviously the
> control housing position is a big influence on you
> r experience with the detector and as you have jus
> t stated, it played a major roll in why you
> no longer use the Nox 600

[ibb.co]

Some of the locations searched aren't 'high rise control box' friendly.

In other Threads, I've often mentioned a dislike for high rise iPhone type control boxes.

I got a Quest Q20 for my daughter and compared signals on my Equinox's targets. Not really able to get much depth on the Quest, though the size and handling is great for a 12 year old.
I wonder if the Vanquish will get pretty decent depth to make hunting together more enjoyable for her???

EMS

x2000 Wrote:
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> A guy from Russia turned this detector on and uplo
> aded a few minutes long clip: [youtu.be]
> Z9NnJDwU?t=694


Anyone notice those cardboard signs (above targets I assume) with a 2D SCREEN? Funny coincidence as I just posted about missing them. Is it coming back in a future Minelab release? (i.e. E-Trac like 2D screen.)
EMS

ghound Wrote:
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> If the Simplex had been released say 3yrs ago pre-
> multi IQ, it would have been a run away success wi
> th its high spec vs price.
> But the market has moved on with 'new tech' in the
> multi IQ Nox, even over much more expensive detect
> ors has been a massive hit, and offering multi IQ
> in the Vanquish at a much lower price has done the
> Simplex no favours.


One is waterproof_One is not
One is multi-IQ_One is single frequency
One will end up being the world's #1 selling metal detector

My monies on the SimplEX to do just that_But of course without
taking anything anyway from yet another fantastic offering from
Minelab_

cheers ghound - I am sure they will be great additions to anyone's arsenal

just a wee edit_SimplEX punches well above its pay grade, which means there will be a market for such a deep detector

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2019 05:41AM by rustic charm.

Des D Wrote:
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> [ibb.co]
>
> Some of the locations searched aren't 'high rise c
> ontrol box' friendly.
>
> In other Threads, I've often mentioned a dislike f
> or high rise iPhone type control boxes.

My apologies for sounding rather blunt Des_

Big fan_Have been for years & still love my Musky
I totally appreciate everything you do for the hobby good sir -

It appears Quest - Nokta-Makro - Minelab - C-Scope and others are possibly
going down this path regarding the control housing -

ty

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

No worries Rustic'...it's only a hobby...

Hmmmm....amazing how makers copy other designs / ideas - not always for the better!

Yeah...in another of those 'Threads', I wrote about [ liking ] the [ sit on your hand ] type of control box a.k.a. "AT Pro", and was [ delighted to see ] the new "Vanquish" design to fall into that category, perfect (in my humble opinion) for great wrist control [ and less fatigue ] in those tight-to-swing locations I/e. tough brush, tight scrub, low tree branches etc, where I tend to favor quite a bit as I traverse my way forward in this fascinating hobby of ours...

Kind of reminds me of the other depth test they done with the racer vs deus, yet the Deus is still as popular and the Racer discontinued.
[youtu.be]
What you got to remember is that the ground their testing on is very mild, they might as well just show an air test lol, it doesn't show how well it handles moderate to bad ground.


Rustic charm Wrote:
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> ghound Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the Simplex had been released say 3yrs ago pr
> e-
> > multi IQ, it would have been a run away success
> wi
> > th its high spec vs price.
> > But the market has moved on with 'new tech' in t
> he
> > multi IQ Nox, even over much more expensive dete
> ct
> > ors has been a massive hit, and offering multi I
> Q
> > in the Vanquish at a much lower price has done t
> he
> > Simplex no favours.
>
>
> One is waterproof_One is not
> One is multi-IQ_One is single frequency
> One will end up being the world's #1 selling metal
> detector
>
> My monies on the SimplEX to do just that_But of co
> urse without
> taking anything anyway from yet another fantastic
> offering from
> Minelab_
>
> cheers ghound - I am sure they will be great addit
> ions to anyone's arsenal
>
> just a wee edit_SimplEX punches well above its pay
> grade, which means there will be a market for such
> a deep detector
>
> [www.youtube.com]
> e=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3KiKFOgTt2H7m2u_IFI6tjjQQfdc
> 0y-bC4yBelZQ_7iLV3Pljh0bw8gZc

Thank you Des D - I understand exactly what you mean now regarding 'wrist control' & 'tough in brush' - cheers

Cheers ghound - I think you will find that the Racer was discontinued due to it being superseded by NEW regular releases
however that Racer is still better than some of the current US flagships being sold today_

Yes, XP - Minelab - Quest - C-Scope - Nokta-Makro have been busy supplying hobbyists with a choice of the latest in technology
I am positive when the big boys in the US start rolling out theirs, we will be spoiled for choice_Until then, I am loving this ride
Nokta-Makro are taking us all on as it is having a huge positive impact globally -

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

I agree with that Racer comment.

earthmansurfer Wrote:
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> I got a Quest Q20 for my daughter and compared sig
> nals on my Equinox's targets. Not really able to g
> et much depth on the Quest, though the size and ha
> ndling is great for a 12 year old.
> I wonder if the Vanquish will get pretty decent de
> pth to make hunting together more enjoyable for he
> r???
>
> EMS

or maybe getting her a Simplex? now that one should be deep and pretty easy to use....we will see. I'm pretty intrigued by it personally.

I got my daughter a gold bug pro when she was 12, super solid id and easy to use! too bad she had no interest

340 = $199
440 = $279
540 = $369
540+ = $499

Multi IQ at 199$.. you wet sand hunters are in for it if that thing gets good depth. Imagine, everyone and their brother will have a beach (wet sand) capable machine now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2019 09:11PM by Mike C.

canslawhero Wrote:
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> earthmansurfer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I got a Quest Q20 for my daughter and compared s
> ig
> > nals on my Equinox's targets. Not really able to
> g
> > et much depth on the Quest, though the size and
> ha
> > ndling is great for a 12 year old.
> > I wonder if the Vanquish will get pretty decent
> de
> > pth to make hunting together more enjoyable for
> he
> > r???
> >
> > EMS
>
> or maybe getting her a Simplex? now that one shoul
> d be deep and pretty easy to use....we will see. I
> 'm pretty intrigued by it personally.
>
> I got my daughter a gold bug pro when she was 12,
> super solid id and easy to use! too bad she had no
> interest

Thanks for the suggestion! Yeah, I thought of the Simplex too. Since Winter is coming, we'll stick with her Quest. She is somewhat interested in detecting but needs signals (and that site just opened up, so I'll take her for some hunting, not deep stuff.)
But, I think now, I will wait for the new Minelab IQ to see how it does. After all, 200 buck I'm hearing???

Somewhere along the way, waterproof became the new standard for all detectors. I'm not sure why that it is such a big deal to people now days, as at least 100% of the detectorists I know personally absolutely HAVE to HAVE a waterproof detector. Yet of the detectorists I know personally that have the waterproof machines, 98% of them have never been in the water with one. One of my buddies is a good example of this. Back when the MX Sport came out, he got one and it was his first waterproof machine. He went freshwater beach hunting to me ONE time and that was it. Yet every machine he has bought since then, has HAD to be waterproof or he doesn't have interest in it. I have another buddy that also wont own a machine now unless it is waterproof and he has NEVER had one in the water. He was going to go creek walking with me for Civil War relics and on our way down to the creek he saw a water snake and that was it for him. He wasn't getting in the water period. He goes to the beach on vacation and takes a detector, but he always ends up hunting in the dry sand and not even in the wet sand. Most people could get by like they always have without a waterproof machine.

Something like a Simplex would be all a person needs for most of the fresh water hunting around here. Everything is recent drops. If that was all a person did, then it would be the bomb for what it costs. The only reason I have a CTX is because of saltwater beach hunting and wanting multi freq for that....it's a bit overkill when that's all you use it for (vacation trips), but I feel it's one of the better tools for the job. I'm taking both the Nox and CTX with me to the beach in a couple weeks.

My daughter (and me) is wanting a Vanquish for Christmas, she's no interest in the simplex because the Vanquish won't need ground balancing ever few feet, plus she loves beach hunting but not in water as the water is cold here all year round.
Our soil is mineralised so it will probably be as deep or deeper than the simplex for us.