Nox update?

Heard there's an update coming to help with flat iron and bottle caps?

Always welcome those kind of updates

Very soon.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Very soon.


Very soon mid size/better balance Equinox coil also???

Hope they address the lack of backlight adjustment in the EQ600. Our local Makro / Nokta dealer uses that to wind us up on Facebook groups, as it should have been a basic setting for all models, especially in a modern day detector.
However, on a positive note, I have become a better tone hunter as I leave the blinding light off at night making VDI not visible ...and my battery lasts longer.

Tom D.... what stopped Minelab from adding single frequencies in Beach Mode as on the other modes? Could they not add the salt elimination feature in multi frequency to a single frequency? At night the EMI from LED floodlights on our beach makes hunting impossible in Beach Mode. A single feequency can help, but is not available in the Beach Modes.

Hummm wonder if this TWEAK will affect the beach programs???

Hunting a wet salt beach in Single Freq...… is VERY inhibiting.....with low performance as a resultant. Not worth it! Multi freq is TOO far superior; hence, not practical to even offer single freq options in Beach Modes.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Hunting a wet salt beach in Single Freq...… is VER
> Y inhibiting.....with low performance as a resulta
> nt. Not worth it! Multi freq is TOO far superior;
> hence, not practical to even offer single freq opt
> ions in Beach Modes.

Tom... this area offers dry beach sand hunting too and some of the biggest 18kt diamond rings have come out of this dry sand. Pity, we can't have a Dry Beach option with that one single frequency, preferably 10khz, to overcome the effects of EMI. The Garrett Aces seem to have a ball of a time there while EQX owners (and possibly Vanquish owners, seeing it is also MultiIQ) have to call it quits or move away from the LED floodlights *sigh*



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/18/2019 03:16PM by DiggaMke.

DiggaMke Wrote:
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> NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> > Hunting a wet salt beach in Single Freq...… is V
> ER
> > Y inhibiting.....with low performance as a resul
> ta
> > nt. Not worth it! Multi freq is TOO far superior
> ;
> > hence, not practical to even offer single freq o
> pt
> > ions in Beach Modes.
>
> Tom... this area offers dry beach sand hunting too
> and some of the biggest 18kt diamond rings have co
> me out of this dry sand. Pity, we can't have a Dry
> Beach option with that one single frequency, prefe
> rably 10khz, to overcome the effects of EMI. The G
> arrett Aces seem to have a ball of a time there wh
> ile EQX owners (and possibly Vanquish owners, seei
> ng it is also MultiIQ) have to call it quits or mo
> ve away from the LED floodlights *sigh*

Why can't you use a single frequency in either Park or Field mode in the dry sand to deal with emi?

Dan(NM) Wrote:
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> Why can't you use a single frequency in either Par
> k or Field mode in the dry sand to deal with emi?

Dan(NM)... I tried, but there is a continuous falsing with a VDI of 1 and 2, so it needs to be notched out, but the 20kt pendant I found recently, had a VDI of 1.

Sometimes it isn’t as dry as you think.

DiggaMke Wrote:
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> Dan(NM) Wrote:
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> > Why can't you use a single frequency in either P
> ar
> > k or Field mode in the dry sand to deal with emi
> ?
>
> Dan(NM)... I tried, but there is a continuous fals
> ing with a VDI of 1 and 2, so it needs to be notch
> ed out, but the 20kt pendant I found recently, had
> a VDI of 1.


Gotcha, I don't hunt beaches so I have no idea what you guys are up against.

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> Sometimes it isn’t as dry as you think.


So true. That tiny bit of dampness just under the dry is enough to give false signals as the EQX is very sensitive.

Dan(NM) Wrote:
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> DiggaMke Wrote:
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> > Dan(NM) Wrote:
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> > > Why can't you use a single frequency in either
> P
> > ar
> > > k or Field mode in the dry sand to deal with e
> mi
> > ?
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> > Dan(NM)... I tried, but there is a continuous fa
> ls
> > ing with a VDI of 1 and 2, so it needs to be not
> ch
> > ed out, but the 20kt pendant I found recently, h
> ad
> > a VDI of 1.
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> Gotcha, I don't hunt beaches so I have no idea wha
> t you guys are up against.

I only hunt beaches and have yet to do an inland hunt, which could be this weekend and then I will be out of my comfort zone and a complete newbie.

Mike...… I just want to positively verify from you..... that Park Mode-1 in "Multi" does.... or does not work ….. in your dry sand? (((This is to include: Multi....and all the single freqs))).

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Mike...… I just want to positively verify from you
> ..... that Park Mode-1 in "Multi" does.... or does
> not work ….. in your dry sand? (((This is to incl
> ude: Multi....and all the single freqs))).


Tom... I will go out to the beach today and do a test in a the Park and Field Modes in Multi and each of the single Freqs and provide my findings in more detail - I'll check the dryness/dampness of the sand as well.

Mike

Tom...
My findings:
Guessing about 10% dry sand.
Sensitivity = 20
All Metal
6 inch coil
Auto Ground Balance
Park 1 Multi GB=0 works
5khz GB=43 works
10khz GB=4 works
15khz GB=0 works

Park2 Multi GB=30 works
5khz GB=40 works
10khz GB=76 works
15khz GB=0 works

Field 1 Multi GB=1 works
5khz GB=55 works
10khz GB=87 works
15khz GB=2 works

Field 2 Multi GB=34 works (jumpy)
5khz GB=57 works
10khz GB=71 works
15khz GB=5 works

Guessing about 15% dry sand.
Sensitivity = 20
All Metal
6 inch coil
Auto Ground Balance

An increase in about 5% dampness results in a GB=0 and noisy when pumping the coil and not settling down. Also, all of the modes tested above resulted in a constant VDI=1 and Park 1 at 15khz gave a VDI's of 1 and 2. Field 2 in Multi gave the worst ground noise. However, targets still came through strongly in all. So the Auto Ground Balancing will give an indication if the ground is workable when using single frequencies.
I guess that when I previously encountered the VDIs of 1 and 2, I was on ground that was just a tad more damp and I had the 11 inch coil. Awesome exercise! Glad I did it. Next is a depth test and to put the 11 inch coil through the same exercise.

Mike



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/19/2019 06:54PM by DiggaMke.

Mike...… you say 10% dry sand. This implicates 90% damp/wet sand. Am I correct? This makes a huge difference!!!

Tom... Sorry, I meant the sand contains about 10% water - about 20m away from high tide mark and does not get any seawater - 10% is just dampness and the strong winds blew most of the dry sand away.

Mike

So a basic question....

What triggered Minelab to do an update?

Was it a collection of complaints that led to an investigation?
Was is them reading online forums where people were complaining?
Was it something they discovered while testing the little brother Vanquish?

Just curious how the process works. An update from Minelab is a very rare event.

Also....Maybe Tom can shed some light on this one.....

How much time and effort goes into testing an update? Is there tweaks made with feedback from the testers?

Mike what recovery are you running? Maybe to low allowing you to hear and get a response from surface minerals. Single freqs just aren’t the best choice in salt water or wet sand....and some of the other modes which do offer better algorithms in the dry sand is likely why there isn’t a single freq in Beach mode.

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> Mike what recovery are you running? Maybe to low
> allowing you to hear and get a response from surfa
> ce minerals. Single freqs just aren’t the best ch
> oice in salt water or wet sand....and some of the
> other modes which do offer better algorithms in th
> e dry sand is likely why there isn’t a single freq
> in Beach mode.


I am using Recovery of 2 on a EQ600. I hear what you are saying about the recovery being to slow allowing the surface minerals to give a response. Thanks for noting that. I'll try a higher recovery next time.

Mike

Mike...….. it really sounds like your dry sand.... is wet sand (at a deeper depth). Yes...… try different recovery speeds. Find a clear area.... as 'see' if the EQX will Auto Ground Balance on this 'dry' sand. Beach Mode (1 or 2) only.

goodmore……. I think you will see where this new update emanated from. Yes...… they are extensively tested (and around the World); yet, as we have learned...…. could still potentially have err. . . . . as with anything.

Read this online, could be fake news though..

Here's what I read .....
" Based on the data received from Equinox users from around the world, some software adjustments were made to improve the operation of the basic functions of the device. In addition, smoother backlighting has been made possible for the Minelab Equinox 600.
Now the EQUINOX 600 has a function to adjust the backlight brightness - “Low”, corresponding to the minimum backlight level of the EQUINOX 800.
And, probably, the most anticipated - thanks to the addition of a new settings profile, the advanced Iron Indicator feature has become available.
The initial settings of the Iron Indicator EQUINOX (Fe) will also be available, but now it is possible to switch to the new setting Fe 2. When turned on, a wider range of iron targets is cut off from the search, including and bottle caps"

Sounds good. There will be test after test comparing old vs new firmware.

There has to be some sort of trade off. Interesting times ahead.

Update needed to fix iron falsing and make 2 tone work in iron sites.

Fe 2 will get some testing in the salt water. But having used the Explorer for years.... I rarely paid to much attention to the Fe it was always the jumpiest digit. Hopefully it’s easy to switch back and forth.

Sounds like they are simplifying the iron bias adjustment, making a "quick switch" available so the users don't have to understand the iron bias feature to make use of it.

HH
Mike

I wonder if anyone has any idea when it's going to come out, hope its soon. to learn it before fall and winter hunting get going

Does this mean we are getting a more detailed GB number or are we getting a 2nd coordinate on the screen, like the E-Trac, etc. Fe numbers (minus the 2D screen)? Or neither? Thx in advance.

Either way, sounds like some major updates.

EMS