NOKTA SIMPLEX+ -- FIELD TEST

I personally think the simplex looks more like the Quest Q20.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I'm not saying it's going to be a dud machine. It
> just strikes me as kinda funny and a bit ironic wi
> th those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detectival,
> but the latest detector is as close to a copy of a
> Minelab as you could probably get without running
> into patent issues. I'm sure with the price point
> and performance, that it will be a hot selling det
> ector. I will have one myself.
>
> To me, I think you could have kept it closer to th
> e Makro/Nokta established brand/model and it could
> have stood on its own legs. A great example is the
> Kruzer series of machines. To me, they were the de
> finition of innovative. Built better than any oth
> er waterproof machine on the market...looked like
> nothing else on the market that I can think of. No
> t a clone of anything. Truly waterproof and tough
> . Easy access to the hunt modes, and you had a gre
> at thing going with the hunt mode names. People t
> hat were familiar with your previous products fit
> right in, and those that had never picked one up,
> were off and running as well with easy to navigate
> menu and self explaining hunt mode names. You did
> n't have to defend it on the boards from people sa
> ying "it's just a copy of this or that", because i
> t was its own entity. Then along came the Anfibio
> , which looked an awful lot like a CTX 3030. And n
> ow the Simplex looks very much like an Equinox. I'
> ve watched some of the videos on YouTube of some f
> olks comparing them, and at first glance, you'd th
> ink it WAS an Equinox. I guess I just wonder what
> happened to the originality?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2019 05:23PM by GreenMeanie.

Anyway, might not be of much concern to users in the US. Lindsey Graham and other republican senators are threatening major economic sanctions against turkey over their invasion of Kurdish areas of Iraq.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Please keep the politics out of the detector threads. If you want to talk politics please do it on a separate thread where I can ignore it.

HH
Mike

Point taken Mike - you are right about politics not belonging in other threads

I would claim however, that It’s not politics in this case. Politics is espousing a course of action or policy. This is just news as of this morning. An example of how a global supply chain can get complicated.

It’s no more politics than wondering if the recent announcement of Tariffs on EU goods will apply to XP detectors (update, just checked the list - no tariff on metal detectors!) or the impact of tariffs on Chinese electronic components on the cost of US made equipment which incorporates such components.

I did mention Lindsey Graham and republican senators because those are the only ones I saw mentioned in the news stories I read. Graham indicated that such action would have majority support in the Senate, so I expect a lot of democarats would go along.

UPDATE - I read the draft resolution on sanctions on Turkey and I saw nothing there would impact our friends at Makro.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2019 05:17PM by lytle78.

I agree.... I believe Quest was first publicly showing this design around 7 years ago? So who copied who? Actually it doesn't matter one bit. Lets face it we all swing machines that have a round or out of round thing on the end of a stick with some kind of control thingy attached up above that we can make tickle with out fingers that will make it scream.
GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> I personally think the simplex looks more like the
> Quest Q20.
>
> Daniel Tn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm not saying it's going to be a dud machine.
> It
> > just strikes me as kinda funny and a bit ironic
> wi
> > th those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detectiva
> l,
> > but the latest detector is as close to a copy of
> a
> > Minelab as you could probably get without runnin
> g
> > into patent issues. I'm sure with the price poin
> t
> > and performance, that it will be a hot selling d
> et
> > ector. I will have one myself.
> >
> > To me, I think you could have kept it closer to
> th
> > e Makro/Nokta established brand/model and it cou
> ld
> > have stood on its own legs. A great example is t
> he
> > Kruzer series of machines. To me, they were the
> de
> > finition of innovative. Built better than any o
> th
> > er waterproof machine on the market...looked lik
> e
> > nothing else on the market that I can think of.
> No
> > t a clone of anything. Truly waterproof and tou
> gh
> > . Easy access to the hunt modes, and you had a g
> re
> > at thing going with the hunt mode names. People
> t
> > hat were familiar with your previous products fi
> t
> > right in, and those that had never picked one up
> ,
> > were off and running as well with easy to naviga
> te
> > menu and self explaining hunt mode names. You d
> id
> > n't have to defend it on the boards from people
> sa
> > ying "it's just a copy of this or that", because
> i
> > t was its own entity. Then along came the Anfib
> io
> > , which looked an awful lot like a CTX 3030. And
> n
> > ow the Simplex looks very much like an Equinox.
> I'
> > ve watched some of the videos on YouTube of some
> f
> > olks comparing them, and at first glance, you'd
> th
> > ink it WAS an Equinox. I guess I just wonder wh
> at
> > happened to the originality?

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

Quest came out with that physical design first because that's where they spent their R&D.

They didn't need $ for software design because they pirated it.

Am I "misremembering"?

Nokta Makro is a first rate operation with first rate products. Just like First Texas, Garrett, Minelab, etc...
I don't think Quest can be included.

khouse Wrote:
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> I agree.... I believe Quest was first publicly sho
> wing this design around 7 years ago? So who copie
> d who? Actually it doesn't matter one bit. Lets
> face it we all swing machines that have a round or
> out of round thing on the end of a stick with some
> kind of control thingy attached up above that we c
> an make tickle with out fingers that will make it
> scream.
> GreenMeanie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I personally think the simplex looks more like t
> he
> > Quest Q20.
> >
> > Daniel Tn Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > I'm not saying it's going to be a dud machine.
> > It
> > > just strikes me as kinda funny and a bit ironi
> c
> > wi
> > > th those jabs and swipes at Minelab at Detecti
> va
> > l,
> > > but the latest detector is as close to a copy
> of
> > a
> > > Minelab as you could probably get without runn
> in
> > g
> > > into patent issues. I'm sure with the price po
> in
> > t
> > > and performance, that it will be a hot selling
> d
> > et
> > > ector. I will have one myself.
> > >
> > > To me, I think you could have kept it closer t
> o
> > th
> > > e Makro/Nokta established brand/model and it c
> ou
> > ld
> > > have stood on its own legs. A great example is
> t
> > he
> > > Kruzer series of machines. To me, they were th
> e
> > de
> > > finition of innovative. Built better than any
> o
> > th
> > > er waterproof machine on the market...looked l
> ik
> > e
> > > nothing else on the market that I can think of
> .
> > No
> > > t a clone of anything. Truly waterproof and t
> ou
> > gh
> > > . Easy access to the hunt modes, and you had a
> g
> > re
> > > at thing going with the hunt mode names. Peop
> le
> > t
> > > hat were familiar with your previous products
> fi
> > t
> > > right in, and those that had never picked one
> up
> > ,
> > > were off and running as well with easy to navi
> ga
> > te
> > > menu and self explaining hunt mode names. You
> d
> > id
> > > n't have to defend it on the boards from peopl
> e
> > sa
> > > ying "it's just a copy of this or that", becau
> se
> > i
> > > t was its own entity. Then along came the Anf
> ib
> > io
> > > , which looked an awful lot like a CTX 3030. A
> nd
> > n
> > > ow the Simplex looks very much like an Equinox
> .
> > I'
> > > ve watched some of the videos on YouTube of so
> me
> > f
> > > olks comparing them, and at first glance, you'
> d
> > th
> > > ink it WAS an Equinox. I guess I just wonder
> wh
> > at
> > > happened to the originality?

To: NOKTA
Please excuse the NoxGroupers--they Really can't help themselves.

I have had a Quest machine. The hunt modes on it are not labeled Park, Field, etc. It also didn't have the mode picture icons. On it, they were labeled the generic Coin, Jewelry, All Metal like most machines. That was the whole point of my initial message in this thread. I know every manufacturer will take the latest offerings of the competition and see what makes them tick, and if something is selling very hot or is popular, then it only makes sense to offer a version of your own. Strike while the iron is hot. You fine folks can carry on and I will steer clear of any more discussions with this model and future ones from the company, as I no longer will spend my hard earned money. I didn't mean to rain on y'alls parade. Carry on, I wont let the door hit me where the good Lord split me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2019 03:45PM by Daniel Tn.

Lets not get too bent out of shape over this detector. This is just Nokta/Makro's version of the ACE-250 with which they hope to recreate the compulsory purchase experience Garrett enjoyed with that model. Reality is none of us need this unit and most of us, if we buy it, will just be doing so to satisfy our curiosity.

So lets not do or die over this particular model.

HH
Mike

I'd dare say the Simplex has more in common with the AT Pro vs an Ace300, though with a price tag sitting between an Ace 200 and Ace 300 (in Australia at least). A very tempting proposition for those that don't already own a waterproof detector, even for more experienced users.

I think this type of design is here to stay. From a manufacturers view it's easier to incorporate all the guts including the battery in a single pod. There's a lot more engineering (cost) to move the battery elsewhere other than part of the control head. Plus waterproofing more connections and such.. To me the obvious place to put the battery is in the grip. Otherwise you have wasted space. All my detectors have tipped over from being a little top heavy including the 250, ATpro, compadre, etrac, F70, F19, xterra's etc. The only machines I owned that didn't have this issue were the Whites M6, MXT's etc. But those machines weighed 4+ pounds and were not waterproofed. I look forward in seeing just how much technology will be stuffed into the Simplex's frame! The cost savings by using the same chassis and installing different engines will make these machine more affordable for all of us.

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

Aurelic Wrote:
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> I'd dare say the Simplex has more in common with t
> he AT Pro vs an Ace300, though with a price tag si
> tting between an Ace 200 and Ace 300 (in Australia
> at least). A very tempting proposition for those
> that don't already own a waterproof detector, even
> for more experienced users.


Heck I'd dare even say it has more in common with the AT Max, including built-in wireless and waterproof. Definitely a great value play for anyone contemplating a ATP/ATM or any of the detectors in the same price bracket.

ghound Wrote:
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> I wouldn't panic yet Calabash, here's a quote from
> Neil Jones.
> OK now listen up all you detecting geezers out the
> re.
> Yes the Simplex is a fab machine no doubt about it
> but and this is a big but it isn't on the performa
> nce level of the Equinox 800-600.
> I was on an event last weekend in Belgium and I ha
> d a small version of my test bed set up.
> I was with the Nokta/Macro team and I also helped
> them set a test area up.
> The Simplex couldn't hit the targets I had set up.
> I agreed with the comment from the Makro guys it'
> s a fantastic machine for the price
> But I'm sorry folks it's just not at Nox level.

Neil Jones - What else would you expect from him? Praise Simplex+ over the other one? Why don't you please check with some unbiased guys from Pound the Ground who tested their devices against the SIMPLEX+?? I also have videos but it would not be ethical for me to post them. This detector was tested on the offical competitor's test bed at Detectival and my team was congratulated directly by the competitors. If I were you, I would ask around and get better information. Let's all not be biased. There will be areas where this detector will match/beat them and there will be areas where they may beat it. Bottom line is this detector has the depth,speed and separation of a higher end detector but without all the extra settings an experienced user may like to play with such as tone break and/or tone changes etc because it is a turn-on and go machine at $299. 1/3 of the price of the other model.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/11/2019 10:11AM by Nokta Detectors.

Is that the same 'pound the ground' who were given a simplex and other nok/mak products to raffle off at a seeded hunt?

ghound Wrote:
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> Is that the same 'pound the ground' who were given
> a simplex and other nok/mak products to raffle off
> at a seeded hunt?


Yes but I am not talking about the guys who were given the units. I am talking about people who came and tested their machines at the test bed against the Simplex... a couple of them could not believe the results and they were told by certain people that the test bed was a set up ??? So a few of them came back, dug their own hole, buried their own targets and tried again and guess what...the result did not change a bit. Listen, we are not telling anybody to buy this detector or what they have is worse than this but all we are saying is in this video which the members said that they could not watch:
[www.noktadetectors.com]

Gone again---# 14.

Nokta Detectors - Thank you very much for posting your video, and for producing a huge assortment of excellent detectors. I'v bought and used the Racer, Racer 2, Impact, Multi Kruzer and Multi Anfibio, I've been very impressed with each unit, so much so that I've had to buy and try each successive detector just to see the differences and to enjoy the performance enhancements that each model offers. I'm looking forward to adding the Simplex+ to the list.

doc holiday Wrote:
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> To: NOKTA
> Please excuse the NoxGroupers--they Really can't
> help themselves.


It's just that we're SOOO in love!!!-----Disgusting ain't it!!

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> doc holiday Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To: NOKTA
> > Please excuse the NoxGroupers--they Really can't
> > help themselves.
>
>
> It's just that we're SOOO in love!!!-----Disgustin
> g ain't it!!

No--it only Proves my point.

Nokta Detectors Wrote:
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> ghound Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wouldn't panic yet Calabash, here's a quote fr
> om
> > Neil Jones.
> > OK now listen up all you detecting geezers out t
> he
> > re.
> > Yes the Simplex is a fab machine no doubt about
> it
> > but and this is a big but it isn't on the perfor
> ma
> > nce level of the Equinox 800-600.
> > I was on an event last weekend in Belgium and I
> ha
> > d a small version of my test bed set up.
> > I was with the Nokta/Macro team and I also helpe
> d
> > them set a test area up.
> > The Simplex couldn't hit the targets I had set u
> p.
> > I agreed with the comment from the Makro guys i
> t'
> > s a fantastic machine for the price
> > But I'm sorry folks it's just not at Nox level.
>
> Neil Jones - What else would you expect from him?
> Praise Simplex+ over the other one? Why don't you
> please check with some unbiased guys from Pound th
> e Ground who tested their devices against the SIMP
> LEX+?? I also have videos but it would not be ethi
> cal for me to post them. This detector was tested
> on the offical competitor's test bed at Detectival
> and my team was congratulated directly by the com
> petitors. If I were you, I would ask around and ge
> t better information. Let's all not be biased. The
> re will be areas where this detector will match/be
> at them and there will be areas where they may bea
> t it. Bottom line is this detector has the depth,s
> peed and separation of a higher end detector but w
> ithout all the extra settings an experienced user
> may like to play with such as tone break and/or to
> ne changes etc because it is a turn-on and go mach
> ine at $299. 1/3 of the price of the other model.


In the future will we see a detector in this price range include those audio features? I imagine the day of the 1000 dollar detector are over. At least until a new way of detecting is invented. The price bar seems to be getting lower. A great thing for buyers. Features added for that low price seem the logical next step.

There will be lower-priced detectors with even better performance ...in the future.
There will be higher-priced detectors with ground-breaking/higher-plateau technological advancements …in the future.