Will the Minelab Vanquish be the long awaited digital CZ?

I am of the opinion that the Vanquish will be Minelab's version of the digitized Fisher CZ.

Am I right?

Am I wrong?

HH
Mike

Hmmmmmmmm. I can see some similarities Mike; yet, it's still ALL Minelab. Even/especially the audio. It is MOST similar to a EQX..... as far as electronics, audio, wet-salt handling, ID's...… etc...…...

I thought the Vanquish was just another version of the Equinox.

Long awaited digital CZ?

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Edited 11 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2019 10:48PM by Badger in NH.

Thanks Tom,

I was just thinking....CZ is a dual frequency, full spectrum detector. The Vanquish Multi-IQ is also a dual frequency full spectrum detector. The two frequencies required to provide full spectrum will need to be similar ie, one low and one high. From reading the Vanquish manual I don't see any dual frequency selection ability like on the EQX, just recovery speed changes between programs along with some disc options. So both detectors are fixed in their frequency selections.

Of course Fourier Domain and Multi-IQ are completely different. But from a simple dual frequency, simultaneous multi-frequency detector I see some likenesses that make me think CZ.

HH
Mike



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2019 10:56PM by Mike Hillis.

Multi-IQ is not a "dual frequency" detector

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Not even close.

Miles apart - literally

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

I believe vanquish is just a stripped-down equinox from what I can tell. An obnoxious red that better performs but similar market and design as the obnoxious yellow.

Quote:"Multi-IQ is not a 'dual frequency' detector"
There is no 'scientific' definition of what Multi-IQ is. Just because the Eqx happens to use 3 freqs in most modes ( and 4 in Beach ) doesn't mean the Vanquish has to do so. It could use two frequencies and be pretty effective. And they don't have to be the same frequencies as the Eqx, either - if they're aiming it at the "ACE Market" , they may choose to go for lower operating freqs. This would make the coils cheaper, place less demands on the electronics/microprocessor.
The answer to "what frequencies does it use?" will only be known when the machine gets in the hands of curious customers.

[ and as some people are still "confused" by the Eqx operating frequencies in Multi mode, they are:
Park/Field : 7.8 kHz , 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
Beach : 7.8 kHz , 13 kHz, 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
Gold : Probably the same as P/F , though some think different ]

Good info from Pimento---as usual.

Marketing speak is entertaining. When I read the marketing speak for the EQX 800 I saw a detector that offered the ability to select 5 different single frequencies plus the ability to select different dual frequencies combinations by operating mode. All that "weighted" speak. I thought at first it might be 3 frequency operation but the depth reports knocked it back down to two. I then got confirmation from a reliable source (Carl - Geotech) that it is indeed a dual frequency detector in Multi mode. Mode selection picks which 2 frequencies are in use.

The Vanquish information leaves out all the "weighted" frequency talk. That means that its locked into one dual frequency operating mode. Question there is did they use an existing EQX multi-ID program mode, or did they pick a different combination for just the Vanquish. Coil selection tells me that they may have picked a different set of frequencies for the Vanquish. But I dunno yet.

HH
Mike



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/21/2019 05:18PM by Mike Hillis.

detectingMO Wrote:
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> I believe vanquish is just a stripped-down equinox
> from what I can tell. An obnoxious red that bette
> r performs but similar market and design as the ob
> noxious yellow.


I think that "pretty well sums it up" (seriously)

Pimento Wrote:
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> Quote:"Multi-IQ is not a 'dual frequen
> cy' detector"
> There is no 'scientific' definition of what Multi-
> IQ is. Just because the Eqx happens to use 3 freqs
> in most modes ( and 4 in Beach ) doesn't mean the
> Vanquish has to do so. It could use two frequencie
> s and be pretty effective. And they don't have to
> be the same frequencies as the Eqx, either - if th
> ey're aiming it at the "ACE Market" , they may cho
> ose to go for lower operating freqs. This would ma
> ke the coils cheaper, place less demands on the el
> ectronics/microprocessor.
> The answer to "what frequencies does it use?" will
> only be known when the machine gets in the hands o
> f curious customers.
>
> [ and as some people are still "confused" b
> y the Eqx operating frequencies in Multi mode, the
> y are:
> Park/Field : 7.8 kHz , 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
> Beach : 7.8 kHz , 13 kHz, 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
> Gold : Probably the same as P/F , though some thin
> k different ]


Where exactly is that information coming from? Its the first I have ever seen it, so I woud like to know its source vs somebody's conjecture.

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There are 3 coils available for the Vanquish....

V8 = 8x5 inch DD
V10 = 10x7 inch DD
V12 = 12x9 inch DD

I haven't heard any indication these will interchange with the EQX.

I know we tend to focus on the high level units....but think if it......A simultaneous dual frequency detector starting at $199. Will it be 7.8 and 39 kHz or will it be 7.8 and 18.2 khz ? If it stay true to existing EQX it will most likely be the 7.8 and 18.2 kHz but at this point we don't know for sure.

HH
Mike

Pimento is well clued in, I'd trust his info.

silverfiend Wrote:
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> Pimento Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Quote:"Multi-IQ is not a 'dual frequ
> en
> > cy' detector"
> > There is no 'scientific' definition of what Mult
> i-
> > IQ is. Just because the Eqx happens to use 3 fre
> qs
> > in most modes ( and 4 in Beach ) doesn't mean th
> e
> > Vanquish has to do so. It could use two frequenc
> ie
> > s and be pretty effective. And they don't have t
> o
> > be the same frequencies as the Eqx, either - if
> th
> > ey're aiming it at the "ACE Market" , they may c
> ho
> > ose to go for lower operating freqs. This would
> ma
> > ke the coils cheaper, place less demands on the
> el
> > ectronics/microprocessor.
> > The answer to "what frequencies does it use?" wi
> ll
> > only be known when the machine gets in the hands
> o
> > f curious customers.
> >
> > [ and as some people are still "confused"
> b
> > y the Eqx operating frequencies in Multi mode, t
> he
> > y are:
> > Park/Field : 7.8 kHz , 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
> > Beach : 7.8 kHz , 13 kHz, 18.2 kHz , 39 kHz
> > Gold : Probably the same as P/F , though some th
> in
> > k different ]
>
>
> Where exactly is that information coming from? It
> s the first I have ever seen it, so I woud like to
> know its source vs somebody's conjecture.

My personal opinion is that Carl Mooreland (aka Geotech) is more clued in than Pimento. No offense meant toward Pimento.

But hey...you can hitch your wagon to whomever you want.

Doesn't change the earth shattering news.....simultaneous multi-frequency operation for a $199 dollar price tag. That is 35,000 feet above a yellow ACE.

HH
Mike



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/21/2019 09:34PM by Mike Hillis.

silverfiend Wrote:

> Where exactly is that information coming from? It
> s the first I have ever seen it, so I woud like to
> know its source vs somebody's conjecture.

[www.detectorprospector.com]
This thread shows scans of the transmit frequencies. The peaks in the transmit wave match up with pimento's frequencies. IDK if they are all processed though.

Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> There are 3 coils available for the Vanquish....
>
> V8 = 8x5 inch DD
> V10 = 10x7 inch DD
> V12 = 12x9 inch DD
>
> I haven't heard any indication these will intercha
> nge with the EQX.
>
> I know we tend to focus on the high level units...
> .but think if it......A simultaneous dual frequenc
> y detector starting at $199. Will it be 7.8 and
> 39 kHz or will it be 7.8 and 18.2 khz ? If it
> stay true to existing EQX it will most likely be t
> he 7.8 and 18.2 kHz but at this point we don't kn
> ow for sure.
>
> HH
> Mike

I don't know if Minelab has stated it will be multi-freq just uses Multi-IQ technology.

This 'detectorprospector' thread was the first discussion about the EQX frequency output I know of:
[www.detectorprospector.com]

And there's plenty of discussion over on Geotech1 forum about the frequencies used by the Eqx.
These two being the main ones:
[www.geotech1.com]
and
[www.geotech1.com]

Be aware there's a lot of 'experimental' stuff in them, with some pure speculation, some red herrings and more.

No-one's knowingly tested the latest V2 firmware, but it seems unlikely to be any different to the V1 versions in terms of frequency output.

How they process the 3 frequencies is known only to ML.
But my feeling is the Park1 mode has the 7.8 kHz as the main freq, the 18.2 / 39 are used to cancel ground signal. Park2 has 18.2 kHz as the dominant freq, the 7.8 / 39 used for ground signal cancellation.
But it's not 100% one dominant freq per mode, it is weighted, it's still evaluating the other freq, and there's possibly some 'majority vote' decision-making. For example if 18.2k reads a target as non-ferrous, but 7.8k reads ferrous, the 18.2k "wins". My speculation.

The 39 kHz frequency is what makes the Eqx 'expensive'. It makes the coil construction cost higher, it puts a lot of demand on the analogue-to-digital converter and the microprocessor. Limiting the max freq results in a lower cost machine.



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coinhunterseth Wrote:
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> silverfiend Wrote:
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> > Where exactly is that information coming from?
> It
> > s the first I have ever seen it, so I woud like
> to
> > know its source vs somebody's conjecture.
>
> [www.detectorprospector.com]
> 65-equinox-is-multi-frequency-or-isnt-it-is-it-not
> -it-is-isnt-it/#comments
> This thread shows scans of the transmit frequencie
> s. The peaks in the transmit wave match up with pi
> mento's frequencies. IDK if they are all processed
> though.


Thank you!

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Pimento Wrote:
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> And there's plenty of discussion over on Geotech1
> forum about the frequencies used by the Eqx.
> These two being the main ones:
> [www.geotech1.com]
> and
> [www.geotech1.com]
>

The only problem here is that you have to be a member to see anything on that forum, and nobody has ever replied to my request to join from last year.

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silverfiend Wrote:
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> Pimento Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > And there's plenty of discussion over on Geotech
> 1
> > forum about the frequencies used by the Eqx.
> > These two being the main ones:
> > [www.geotech1.com]
> > and
> > [www.geotech1.com]
> >
>
> The only problem here is that you have to be a mem
> ber to see anything on that forum, and nobody has
> ever replied to my request to join from last year.


The problem is your email address being used to register on Geotech. Some email providers are a hot bed for scammers, so Geotech dis-allows anyone using them from registering.
Carl Moreland is the owner of Geotech. PM him regarding your registration. [www.dankowskidetectors.com]

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

I think two frequencies are used as detecting frequencies and one is used to constantly analyze the ground, at least that's what they imply in the manual.

silverfiend Wrote:
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> The only problem here is that you have to be a mem
> ber to see anything on that forum, and nobody has
> ever replied to my request to join from last year.

I recently changed the registration, if you have trouble email me.

I really like the coil sizes look, it would be a super machine for stubble and plough where your looking for sensitivity to small items over depth.