Equinox vs AT PRO game of odds part 2

I was at a dig a couple of months back and was talking to a guy with his Garrett fitted with a 13x12 coil, i think it was an NEL.
Anyways, he said he wasn't missing much as he was still digging small items, so i put a silver cut quarter no more than 1 or 2 inch below the surface and the Garrett just couldn't hit it , the Nox sang on it and gave solid ID.
The Nox has really opened my eyes as to what is being missed by many other machines even at shallow depths.

Woodbutcher Wrote:
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> These tests are geographically flawed, and somone
> watching them cannot expect the same results..Now,
> not to argue which machine is best, cause that's a
> personal preference and can only be judged by the
> purchaser. I have a test bed that's probably 12 ye
> ars old now, with a 6, 8 and 10 inch mercury dime.
> .The at pro and the equinox 800 will both hit the
> 6 and 8 inch merc great, neither will squeak on th
> e 10 inch merc.. So, in my western Pennsylvania so
> il going by a older test garden one machine is no
> better than the other in depth.

Woodbutcher Wrote:
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> These tests are geographically flawed, and somone
> watching them cannot expect the same results..Now,
> not to argue which machine is best, cause that's a
> personal preference and can only be judged by the
> purchaser. I have a test bed that's probably 12 ye
> ars old now, with a 6, 8 and 10 inch mercury dime.
> .The at pro and the equinox 800 will both hit the
> 6 and 8 inch merc great, neither will squeak on th
> e 10 inch merc.. So, in my western Pennsylvania so
> il going by a older test garden one machine is no
> better than the other in depth.

Which detector on the market will hit the 10 inch merc you speak of? BTW you expect us to believe the Equinox and AT PRO have the same depth capabilities in bad ground......yeah right!!



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calabash digger Wrote:
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> Woodbutcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These tests are geographically flawed, and somon
> e
> > watching them cannot expect the same results..No
> w,
> > not to argue which machine is best, cause that's
> a
> > personal preference and can only be judged by th
> e
> > purchaser. I have a test bed that's probably 12
> ye
> > ars old now, with a 6, 8 and 10 inch mercury dim
> e.
> > .The at pro and the equinox 800 will both hit th
> e
> > 6 and 8 inch merc great, neither will squeak on
> th
> > e 10 inch merc.. So, in my western Pennsylvania
> so
> > il going by a older test garden one machine is n
> o
> > better than the other in depth.
>
> Which detector on the market will hit the 10 inch
> merc you speak of? BTW you expect us to believe th
> e Equinox and AT PRO have the same depth capabilit
> ies in bad ground......yeah right!!

None will hit that 10 inch merc, I never cleaned the holes before I burried any coins so I think it's masked..But I will say this, I have a 10 inch quarter that the mx sport hits loud and clear and calls it a quarter , and only 7 sensativity out of 10..the equinox 600,800 , deus and etrac won't make a peep on that coin.. That mx sport with stock coil lights that coin up with absolutely no problem, it don't skip or miss..so, if the nox won't hit that massive 10 inch quarter it's not gonna hit a smaller dime,...So, yea I'm saying the mx sport with stock coil smokes the competition in my western Pennsylvania small town for usable depth..not even close
As for the at pro being better than the equinox, that's just a matter of preference.Whatever you prefer is the better machine.Just as many equinox machines up for sale as anything else used, so id hafto say those people also prefer somthing else thats better in they're opinion..no harm in that, after all calabash your a deus guy



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calabash digger Wrote:
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> Woodbutcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > These tests are geographically flawed, and somon
> e
> > watching them cannot expect the same results..No
> w,
> > not to argue which machine is best, cause that's
> a
> > personal preference and can only be judged by th
> e
> > purchaser. I have a test bed that's probably 12
> ye
> > ars old now, with a 6, 8 and 10 inch mercury dim
> e.
> > .The at pro and the equinox 800 will both hit th
> e
> > 6 and 8 inch merc great, neither will squeak on
> th
> > e 10 inch merc.. So, in my western Pennsylvania
> so
> > il going by a older test garden one machine is n
> o
> > better than the other in depth.
>
> Which detector on the market will hit the 10 inch
> merc you speak of? BTW you expect us to believe th
> e Equinox and AT PRO have the same depth capabilit
> ies in bad ground......yeah right!!


Come on Cal, take a blood pressure pill. He didn’t say anything about the equinox and at pro having the same depth capabilities. He’s just saying that in his test garden/soil neither detector will hit the 10” dime, that’s all. Not everyone has a sweet sandy soil test garden like yours. Sit down and take a deep breath, everything’s gonna be ok. That mean ole at pro ain’t gonna hurt you.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2019 01:14AM by Bill long.

I like calabash, great asset to the hobbie and takes his time destroying other machines in his test bed.lol.
I do believe calabashs results are the honest truth in his soil, and I don't believe the at pro is better than he equinox in performance in anyone's soil..But I also don't believe there's many actual targets in the wild that the at pro would miss that the equinox would get..a few maybe but nothing earthshattering.
Calabash, I meant no harm and hope I didn't muddy up your thread

Ole wooody changes detectors like I change underwear.... we have history from friendly..... so we are old pals ! Show them your true colors woody as they might not know you.... Have to call BS on the quarter... Mx sport will and the others will not....comical!



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Not hiding nothing calabash, believe what you want but that mx sport smashed that quarter . only reason I let it go was the weight, thing was heavier than a etrac..I don't switch out as many machines as you,You've had way more brands through your test bed than I've ever owned.lol..Yea, were like a old set of car seats, go way back.lol. But I got no reasim to b.s. you , in my soil that mx sport for depth is in a league of its own, can't try to explain it, just is what it is.

Woodbutcher Wrote:
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> Not hiding nothing calabash, believe what you want
> but that mx sport smashed that quarter . only reas
> on I let it go was the weight, thing was heavier t
> han a etrac..I don't switch out as many machines a
> s you,You've had way more brands through your test
> bed than I've ever owned.lol..Yea, were like a old
> set of car seats, go way back.lol. But I got no re
> asim to b.s. you , in my soil that mx sport for de
> pth is in a league of its own, can't try to explai
> n it, just is what it is.


MX Sport specifically, or would an MXT hit that quarter?

coinhunterseth Wrote:
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> Woodbutcher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not hiding nothing calabash, believe what you wa
> nt
> > but that mx sport smashed that quarter . only re
> as
> > on I let it go was the weight, thing was heavier
> t
> > han a etrac..I don't switch out as many machines
> a
> > s you,You've had way more brands through your te
> st
> > bed than I've ever owned.lol..Yea, were like a o
> ld
> > set of car seats, go way back.lol. But I got no
> re
> > asim to b.s. you , in my soil that mx sport for
> de
> > pth is in a league of its own, can't try to expl
> ai
> > n it, just is what it is.
>
>
> MX Sport specifically, or would an MXT hit that qu
> arter?

I've only ever had the mx sport, never had a mxt..A friend of mine who goes by coinspader bought the mx sport locally has the same results with it tho in our soil, very very deep machine without even trying.Its a heavy beast tho,at least for me

Bill long Wrote:
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> The Hoover Boys sure make a ton of good finds with
> the AT Series detectors. What are they doing wrong
> .

Would love to hunt behind the Hoovers! Let them clean the surface trash..

g

The MX Sport didn't get off to a good start and I think that really hurt its reputation and spooked people. The audio bugs, cracked faceplates, and leaking...on top of uncertainty at Whites itself, made for a bad combo. Despite that, the Sport remains as one of my favorites. It does indeed go fairly deep in mineral. One of my buddies actually sold his Sport to buy an Equinox and hunted with the Equinox about 6 months, and then sold it to get another Sport. He just liked the Sport better. If it was all I had, I wouldn't feel out gunned in MOST places at all. The Equinox is faster and handles the wet sand...where as the Sport had to be cut down to next to nothing in sensitivity to run on wet sand. As for relic hunting...I actually would say in my soil, the Sport coupled with the 13 Ultimate coil is deeper than an Equinox with its biggest coil. Stock coil wise, I would say they are about even.

You should run the MX Sport through your test bed Calabash, run it in relic mode, stock coil, gain at about 8 since you got some deep targets in there, SAT 4, , VCO on, iron grunt off, audio mod off, 2 tone. If you really want to scorch the earth set the gain on 10, 10 is boost mode. It might turn your Nox and Deus into wall hangers. With the 7inch DD coil it picks in the iron pretty good. It has me digging holes deeper than I care to dig. Maybe it's different in your dirt. Don't forget to ground balance. If you have trouble with EMI it has a frequency shift on it that may help.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2019 06:26AM by coinspader.

Now that would be a good test comparison, Equinox and MX Sport on a 10” buried quarter. I’ll try that myself this week, at an old park. Actually use relic mode with the Sport, my favorite mode. Use grunt on though, prefer hearing iron when hunting. All other settings look good. I’ve pulled some deep targets with the MX Sport, both Park and relic hunting. Same with the Equinox, enjoy using both.

Will share results,
Paul


coinspader Wrote:
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> You should run the MX Sport through your test bed
> Calabash, run it in relic mode, stock coil, gain a
> t about 8 since you got some deep targets in there
> , SAT 4, , VCO on, iron grunt off, audio mod off,
> 2 tone. If you really want to scorch the earth set
> the gain on 10, 10 is boost mode. It might turn yo
> ur Nox and Deus into wall hangers. With the 7inch
> DD coil it picks in the iron pretty good. It has m
> e digging holes deeper than I care to dig. Maybe i
> t's different in your dirt.

Why does everyone want do test depth on perfectly flat sitting coins in clean dirt, surely the majority of these easy type targets are long gone to other detectors over the years, all you get from folks on here is that their areas are hunted out. Surely you should be testing your detector to find the hard masked shallow targets, coins on edge, mixed with iron and trash etc
No sense in my mind of having a detector that can hit a copper coin at 12 inch but is so weak in other departments that it will miss a small silver at 2 inch in iron with the same coil??

Good point ghound….a detector that will do both is the one I am looking for....Equinox fits the bill. Couple buddies of mine had the sport when it first came out. Their impressions and mine agreed... JUNK. Audio stank...boat anchor weight. Would love to test one now .

calabash digger Wrote:
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> Good point ghound….a detector that will do both is
> the one I am looking for....Equinox fits the bill.
> Couple buddies of mine had the sport when it first
> came out. Their impressions and mine agreed... JU
> NK. Audio stank...boat anchor weight. Would love t
> o test one now .

Sport is heavy, I will give you that. It also had a bad roll out when it first hit the market, I think those are 2 reasons why it didn't gain as much popularity as the lighter multi frequency units. But if you can heft it you will discover it is a detector that runs very hot and gets great depth, especially in relic mode. Just sayin

Going back to the Hoover Boys discussion....I wonder if the new YouTube guidelines will impact how many full time detecting channels we will see in the future. I just skimmed through the guidelines but it has something to do with YouTube getting slapped with a huge fine dealing with children and advertising. I don't know the inns and outs of it, but BASICALLY for those with YouTube channels, you are going to have to select if it's child compliant or not, and then that decision will impact the revenue for your channel. For people like me with small channels that don't get any revenue, it wont impact at all. But the bigger ones like AquaChigger and Hoover Boys...it will. If they say their videos are child friendly, then it will significantly lower the revenue for the channel by the type and amount of ads that can run on the channel...as much as 60% less per month. A lot of these guys put a lot of time and effort into their videos, and do it for the extra income per month.

A good friend of mine has a channel (non detecting) that has a little over 25k subscribers. He does videos regularly and they typically get 25,000-100,000 views each. He told me that he gets about $1,200 a month from YouTube for his size channel.

Based on that, the Hoover Boys have almost 59k subscribers and generate about the same view per video as my buddy. So they have over double the subscribers as my buddy, and they also have merchandise that they sell too that adds to it. So we know they are at least getting $1,200 a month...probably more since they have more subscribers. Based on the new guidelines, they could possibly get 60% less per month, so one has to wonder...would it even be worth doing videos any more? If I were doing it for the extra income a month...then I would probably just quit making them, and or slack way off of making them.

calabash digger Wrote:
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> Good point ghound….a detector that will do both is
> the one I am looking for....Equinox fits the bill.
> Couple buddies of mine had the sport when it first
> came out. Their impressions and mine agreed... JU
> NK. Audio stank...boat anchor weight. Would love t
> o test one now .

Calabash, I think your right. Thinking I should of kept the 800 instead of selling it and buying a deus.Made no sense as Ghound said buying a single frequency dinasour like the deus when tech has moved so far ahead in performance with multt IQ of the equinox.I mean, yea the deus is updatable but it will always be a single frequency running machine,kinda like a rotary phone

What you need to do is learn how to run a detector!

Personally i wouldn't buy another single freq machine for myself as the Nox out performs even the deus in my soil (7+bars on deus mineral scale)



Woodbutcher Wrote:
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> calabash digger Wrote:
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> > Good point ghound….a detector that will do both
> is
> > the one I am looking for....Equinox fits the bil
> l.
> > Couple buddies of mine had the sport when it fir
> st
> > came out. Their impressions and mine agreed...
> JU
> > NK. Audio stank...boat anchor weight. Would love
> t
> > o test one now .
>
> Calabash, I think your right. Thinking I should of
> kept the 800 instead of selling it and buying a de
> us.Made no sense as Ghound said buying a single fr
> equency dinasour like the deus when tech has moved
> so far ahead in performance with multt IQ of the e
> quinox.I mean, yea the deus is updatable but it wi
> ll always be a single frequency running machine,ki
> nda like a rotary phone

calabash digger Wrote:
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> What you need to do is learn how to run a detector
> !

I was running the deus when you first started and had the at pro.lol.



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This aint friendly forum.... OLE WOODY...

calabash digger Wrote:
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> This aint friendly forum.... OLE WOODY...


As a matter of fact, before the deus, nokta , makro even came out I was the the only one in the states to have a aka machine, signim7272..One of the first machines able to switch frequencies with a single coil..Back then these units were considered sparky and high gain, nobody wanted them.lol.Been at this a long time before the deus came along

Do I detect a little despair between two newer members here??

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> Do I detect a little despair between two newer mem
> bers here??


Lol, no way,, calabash is my buddy.just a little bickering in good fun, no harm..when it comes to the deus there's no one as good as calabash, definatly a real assett to this hobbie

I had a Deus full a couple years ago, great detector! It dosen't false on nails and it's deep with awesome unmasking ability, I will probably get another one some time. I think I sold it because I was digging a lot of deep non ferrous trash with it, it picked up on even the smallest targets at depth.

Calibash any way you could send your EXCAL through your garden and make a video?
I never got the depth on the EXCAL others claimed And I tried 3 different EXCALS Blue models.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Calibash any way you could send your EXCAL through
> your garden and make a video?
> I never got the depth on the EXCAL others claimed
> And I tried 3 different EXCALS Blue models.

I think he already bashed the Green EXcal and it failed.....

Stock machine to stock machine the Nox is a much better machine,...

But I've still got the local Noxer's in disarray.............I just need that "AQ" to shake that tree more.

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