Darwin Award - Covid Version - don’t do this

Our local news reports that a man in his 60’s is dead and his wife is in critical condition after purchasing something like this

[aquariumstoredepot.com]

[www.azfamily.com]

It’s the same drug that the President keeps hyping To fight COVID19, even though his edical advisers warn that it is by no means proven to be effective. Fair enough

But these geniuses figured out that it is sold to salt water aquarium enthusiasts as a treatment for fish diseases, so they bought some and ingested it - mind you - they DIDNT Have Covid 19 !

30 minutes later, they both are dying - who knows what dose they took but.....

Let’s not get carried away - or we could get carried out.

Here’s a “long form” discussion of it....

“ Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine
At a press conference on Friday, President Donald Trump called chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine a “game changer.” “I feel good about it,” Trump said. His remarks have led to a rush in demand for the decades-old antimalarials. (“It reminds me a little bit of the toilet paper phenomenon and everybody’s running to the store,” Caplan says.)

The WHO scientific panel designing SOLIDARITY had originally decided to leave the duo out of the trial, but had a change of heart at a meeting in Geneva on 13 March, because the drugs “received significant attention” in many countries, according to the report of a WHO working group that looked into the drugs’ potential. The widespread interested prompted “the need to examine emerging evidence to inform a decision on its potential role.”

The available data are thin. The drugs work by decreasing the acidity in endosomes, compartments inside cells that they use to ingest outside material and that some viruses can coopt to enter a cell. But the main entryway for SARS-CoV-2 is a different one, using its so-called spike protein to attach to a receptor on the surface of human cells. Studies in cell culture have suggested chloroquines have some activity against SARS-CoV-2, but the doses needed are usually high—and could cause serious toxicities.

Encouraging cell study results with chloroquines against two other viral diseases, dengue and chikungunya, didn’t pan out in people in randomized clinical trials. And nonhuman primates infected with chikungunya did worse when given chloroquine. “Researchers have tried this drug on virus after virus, and it never works out in humans. The dose needed is just too high,” says Susanne Herold, an expert on pulmonary infections at the University of Giessen.

Results from COVID-19 patients are murky. Chinese researchers who report treating more than 100 patients with chloroquine touted its benefits in a letter in BioScience, but the data underlying the claim have not been published. All in all, more than 20 COVID-19 studies in China used chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, WHO notes, but their results have been hard to come by. “WHO is engaging with Chinese colleagues at the mission in Geneva and have received assurances of improved collaboration; however, no data has been shared regarding the chloroquine studies.”

Researchers in France have published a study in which they treated 20 COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine. They concluded that the drug significantly reduced viral load in nasal swabs. But it was not a randomized controlled trial and it didn’t report clinical outcomes such as deaths. In guidance published on Friday, the U.S. Society of Critical Care Medicine said “there is insufficient evidence to issue a recommendation on the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine in critically ill adults with COVID-19.”

Hydroxychloroquine, in particular, might do more harm than good. The drug has a variety of side effects and can in rare cases harm the heart. Because people with heart conditions are at higher risk of severe COVID-19, that is a concern, says David Smith, an infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Diego. “This is a warning signal, but we still need to do the trial,” he says. What’s more, a rush to use the drug for COVID-19 might make it harder for the people who need it to treat their rheumatoid arthritis or malaria.”

[www.sciencemag.org]

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



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It might work great in the proper doses, but you can't just buy something and chug it down....hoping for the best.

It reminds me of all the guys who take too much silver, and permanently turn their skin blue for life!
[en.wikipedia.org]

Just because a little of something might be good for you, it doesn't follow that a massive dose must be great for you...

(I'm thinking Darwin Awards here.)

There will be so many Darwin Awards in the next couple of months, we'll get tired of Darwin Awards...

Shouldn't have been using aquarium meds. His problem was using the phosphate version

Your body needs some phosphate to strengthen your bones and teeth, produce energy, and build cell membranes. Yet in larger-than-normal amounts, phosphate can cause bone and muscle problems and increase your risk for heart attacks and strokes. A high phosphate level is often a sign of kidney damage

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

Same thing happened in Nigeria; people listened to Trump, took the stuff, and died.

Meh, two less trump voters.

You can OD on anything and die. There is 7,600 annual (USA) deaths from over the counter anti-inflammatory drugs (like Aspirin). I'm not saying this medicine will work, but give it a chance. Trump could successfully save the world and still be looked at as being the bad guy. If it were Obama that approved this virus drug it would be praised as a cure-all. Thanks



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midalake Wrote:
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> Meh, two less trump voters.

Wow, nice. Name calling is frowned upon here, but you sir are a jackass.

A couple of aspirin can do some good, but a whole bottle can kill you. If you voted for Obama TWICE, voted for Crooked Hillary, even considered Socialist Bernie and think that Sleepy Joe would make a great president, you're likely dumber than a rock and twice as stupid. President Trump isn't conservative enough for my liking, but he's a hell of a lot better than what the Dems are offering up.

tabman



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I'm with you Tabman.

We don’t and never have had any reason to believe anything China says. I wouldn’t be utterly surprised if this were a biological attack, with fish tank chemicals as a side order of “f you”.

Oh good another different ethnic group to hate.

Hating Muslims and people south of the border was getting boring.

Arkansas,Tabman, IDX . . . . . . .

The chemical which the couple took chloroquine phosphate is the same substance in the prescription drug mentioned by Trump. One big difference - the tablets are controlled doses - 250 or 500 milligrams and the dose is 1 gram to start and then less to follow up for 3 days

Adults: An initial dose of 1 g (= 600 mg base) followed by an additional 500 mg (= 300 mg base) after six to eight hours and a single dose of 500 mg (= 300 mg base) on each of two consecutive days. This represents a total dose of 2.5 g chloroquine phosphate or 1.5 g base in three days.

If these folks ingested a teaspoon each (as was reported). It was likely about 5 grams. Although I am sure they know nothing about dosage, it is ironic that 5 grams is the amount recommended in at least one publication of means to commit suicide.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

goodmore Wrote:
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> Oh good another different ethnic group to hate.
>
> Hating Muslims and people south of the border was
> getting boring.

For the most part goodmore, it's their government, not the people. The Muslims, it's their radical beliefs. . . .is what it boils down to.

goodmore Wrote:
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> Oh good another different ethnic group to hate.
>
> Hating Muslims and people south of the border was
> getting boring.

I don't know your ethnicity or race, but I know that I strongly dislike your political views and opinions. I voted for Trump, not Crooked Hillary in the last election. Which one did you vote for? In the upcoming presidential election if it's between Trump, Crazy Bernie and Sleepy Joe, I'm voting for Trump. Which one are you voting for?

tabman

Well I remember the days that asking about someone's vote was rude as hell. Like asking how much they make or how much a woman weighs.

So I'll say this. None of your business who I vote for. But I will will mark the box for the person I believe will do the best job.

There is going to be many things happening between now and November. I suggest and advise you to make your decision then.



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goodmore Wrote:
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> Well I remember the days that asking about someone
> 's vote was rude as hell. Like asking how much the
> y make or how much a woman weighs.
>
> So I'll day this. None of your business who I vot
> e for. But I will will mark the box for the person
> I believe will do the best job.
>
> There is going to be many things happening between
> now and November. I suggest and advise you to make
> your decision then.

So showing support for a candidate is rude? I think you're afraid to say, that's what I think. lol

tabman

No... showing support for a candidate is great. Asking someone else who they voted for or who they are voting for is rude. LoL x 2



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goodmore Wrote:
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> No... showing support for a candidate is great. As
> king someone else who they voted for or who they
> are voting for is rude. LoL x 2

Ok, I'll play your silly game, who do you presently support?

tabman

Well I will tell you a few issues that are important to me

Healthcare
The environment including climate change
A decent minimum wage
The ending of middle east conflicts
Affordable education



It is up to the candidates to convince me.

In the past it was the norm to name the place of origin on diseases,virus',etc.Spanish flu,West Nile virus,Hong Kong flu,Ebola, just to name a few.However the UN recently decided it would cast a negative light on people,places,etc. to continue this practice,but cnn recently erred and called it the Chinese Coronavirus---however they were given a pass by their fellow travelers.



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goodmore Wrote:
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> Well I will tell you a few issues that are importa
> nt to me
>
> Healthcare
> The environment including climate change
> A decent minimum wage
> The ending of middle east conflicts
> Affordable education
>
>
>
> It is up to the candidates to convince me.

You only have 3 possible choices, which one comes closest to meeting the issues that are important to you? The way you bash and hate on Trump, it can't be him. So it's either Socialist Bernie or Sleepy Joe. So which one is it? I'm not afraid to say who I support and why. Are you seriously considering Socialist Bernie? Is he one of the candidates who has to convince you?

tabman

Bernie is no longer running.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> Bernie is no longer running.

goodmore Wrote:
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> Well I will tell you a few issues that are important to me
>
> Healthcare
> The environment including climate change
> A decent minimum wage
> The ending of middle east conflicts
> Affordable education

I'll give you a and add a few more:

A balanced budget
A sensible immigration policy
Campaign finance reform
Tax policy that emphasizes the middle class
Renewable energy

It is comforting to see diversity in detectorists represented here.
As a 70 year old, lifetime Californian, I can testify to the effects of lousy government. We had a fully structured plan for hydroelectric dams 50 years ago that got scrapped. Power and water needs would be met with some recreation tossed in, but no. Mixing metaphors intentionally - the idiots are running the asylum. They are turning the Golden State green like a cheap ring as they give us the finger. It never seems to occur to anyone you can't pay for a high speed train to nowhere if you kill the economy, nor power it with wind or solar.
OK I feel a bit better. I am going to the beach. I've beached enough here.

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

It was not that long ago that we accepted that we all live in a democracy where people have different views. The idea was that while we may disagree, we are all citizens of a great country who want what we each think is best for the country. Our system of government assumes that when a majority takes one view, that the minority will accept that in a democracy that is how things work.

Now both sides of the debate paint the other sides views and opinions as being without merit, to the point that even if one side ends up clearly in a minority position, they declare the majority view as invalid. Each side claims that only their views and opinions are valid. Further, the opposing side does not just have a differing opinion, but must actually have evil intent. No longer are they just citizens that have differing views, they are the enemy who wants to destroy the country.

Neither the left or right is innocent of this charge. Both sides play the politics of hate and division, and the goal is no longer the good of the country, but to simply win no matter the cost. Compromise is painted as treason to the extreme positions taken on each side, and large numbers of moderates look on in bewilderment, wondering why there is no longer any party that represents them and their views.

Your opinions are merely your opinions, and righteous certainty in the virtuousness of your particular opinion is the refuge of narrow minded bigots on both sides of the aisle. I mean that in the proper meaning of the word i.e. bigot - "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions."

Well said, Steve.

Slightly different views are one thing....total opposite views these days. Both sided use to circle around the American Way, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as it should be.
You veer away from that, you don't need to be in the U.S. government serving American's.