Deep Tech Vista X thoughts, tests, etc

Received unit today.
This will be thread where I post about.
Even some comparison videos.

First video is box opening.
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Second video is my take on initial feel.
Plus a deep nickel detected and actually dug.
When this nickel was buried approx 4 years ago I buried at 11” deep. Since buried some additional sinking could have happened.
Btw Eqx 800 unit speed 4 was tried too. No help with nickel signal.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2020 02:38AM by tnsharpshooter.

Been there done that. Great machine, go’s real DEEP but when it comes to unmasking in iron compared to the Tarsacci....FAH GET A BOUT IT!

In fact...... I’ve got no use for or any other VLF!

Anyone interested in a Deeptech Vista X in EXCELLENT condition w a 6” coil lemme know!

TARSACCI - “Digging deeper, BEHIND the competition!”
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The coil mounting washers used with this unit have small dimples that engage lower rod. Imo other manufacturers should use this method.. I believe this allows for less coil bolt tightening yet keep coil in place for actual detecting.
Lot of other manufacturers the method they use allows for possible washer spin unless coil bolt torque is lot higher.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2020 04:41AM by tnsharpshooter.

Hmmmm....MineLab’s been doing that for YEARS w the EXPLORER, ETRAC, CTX and it’s ALOT better design as the washers lock into place into the yoke and cannot fallout while inserting the coil. Nothing new there...

That thick threaded coil spindle on the Vista X is no joy trying to insert through the coil ears, very tight tolerance.

TARSACCI - “Digging deeper, BEHIND the competition!”
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A long time friend who relic hunts has been doing very well with the X in old camps here in Virginia.

It's not the coil ear's that have the tight tolerance, it's the rubber coil washers designed to do just that for a solid fit. I had no trouble pushing mine through, try pushing a bit harder.

The DeepTech hits stuff in my test garden and the field that the Equinox can't see, and whenever I tell people that they usually can't believe it. I know it hits deeper in the field because I've survey flagged targets and compared them with the Equinox, something I do with all new machines to see if the machine is performing well in the field, or if results are anecdotal or I'm seeing bias confirmation. The Vista X gives solid dig hits on targets the Equinox doesn't even make a peep on.

Chris...… can you share what your settings are..... on the EQX?

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Chris...… can you share what your settings are....
> . on the EQX?

I actually use some variation of your settings I think, Sensitivity usually 25 but backed down to 23 if I absolutely have to, Park 1, 50 tones, first audio bin set to 1, second 25, F2-0 Iron Audio, Recovery 2-3 usually, sometimes 4 if it's a really trashy site.

Edit: Forgot ground balance, usually on 0 but when I do ground balance I see no difference in performance. Dirt is mild.



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The Mighty Nox just got an ass whippin', LOL!

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> The Mighty Nox just got an ass whippin', LOL!

Oh my god, you done messed up now. Calabash Digger incoming in 3.....2.......1.........



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The Vista X is VERY powerful unit, especially on small mid tones. I found many beaver tails at 7” that literally sounded like surface targets. Hairsplitting duel discrimination too that can tilt the odds in your favor for small gold as well which hasn’t been discussed here.

TARSACCI - “Digging deeper, BEHIND the competition!”
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Did some detecting comparing today using Vista X and EQX. Funny how the letter X keeps popping up with detectors. Here comes Apex.

Anyway jury still out for me. As far as this deeptech.

Video will be posted later. Wind did come up on me. So audio in video may not be the best. I do narrate plenty. Seems like key to using Vista X is keeping GB correct.
Will have to upload video, it’ll be up later. No earth shattering finds. Just getting acquatined with unit somewhat. Folks can place whatever value they wish on the video. Site today 4 bars ground on F75. This soil does impair VLF detectors, some more than others.

I may have to try one of those Beaver Tail finding detectors. On second thought maybe NOT! I seem to already do pretty good on those.



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On the Deeptech X did you try turning the ground balance negative. Deeptech Gold goes quite a bit deeper with a negative ground balance in my mild ground.

Here’s today’s excursion using Eqx and Vista X.
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David /TNSS/... you made a good comparison video ..thanks...

As for the correct tuning of GB in 4 bar, and more Bar mineralized terrain..is important is correct - the exact setting and tuning of the detector ..

1. in strong Mineralization, I finally managed to fine-tune the detector in a short pumping of coils in the range of 3-7 cm above the ground.

2. In strong Mineralization, the correct Gain setting is important for BG and also detection.

On 4-bar Fe3O4 terrain, the correct Gain setting is no more than 30-40 ..

On 7-bar fe3O4 terrain it is around Gain at most.15-20 ..

if you have set too high Gain some good signals can already go to the iron ... or you will get a slightly weaker signal in detection than with properly set Gain ..

The Threshold for Vista X is more than the "Sensitivity" control - and needs 40-45,..47 to be set high enough for depth.

Here I present my experience with Vista gold Gain 30 khz ... but I think I will work properly on Vista X ..



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 05/01/2020 06:51AM by EL NINO.

EL NINO Wrote:
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> David /TNSS/... you made a good comparison video .
> .thanks...
>
> As for the correct tuning of GB in 4 bar, and more
> Bar mineralized terrain..is important is correct -
> the exact setting and tuning of the detector ..
>
> 1. in strong Mineralization, I finally managed to
> fine-tune the detector in a short pumping of coils
> in the range of 3-7 cm above the ground.
>
> 2. In strong Mineralization, the correct Gain sett
> ing is important for BG and also detection.
>
> On 4-bar Fe3O4 terrain, the correct Gain setting i
> s no more than 30-40 ..
>
> On 7-bar fe3O4 terrain it is around Gain at most.1
> 5-20 ..
>
> if you have set too high Gain some good signals ca
> n already go to the iron ... or you will get a sli
> ghtly weaker signal in detection than with properl
> y set Gain ..
>
> The Threshold for Vista X is more than the "Sensit
> ivity" control - and needs 40-45,..47 to be set hi
> gh enough for depth.
>
> Here I present my experience with Vista gold Gain
> 30 khz ... but I think I will work properly on Vis
> ta X ..


Thanks.
Will do more.
And will do some more buried test.
May use nickel and clad dime.
Dig several holes in site I was in above in video.
Bury and start st 8” and then bury more in 1/2” deeper increments.
To keep video short won’t show actual burying or even the hole opened.
I did play with both gain ad threshold on the deep dime in video.
I could get deeptech to hit dime if a got GB out of whack, but it gave iron tone,
GB was dead quiet when balancing. Raising and lifting coil.
Even GB with just a tad of feedback when Coil was lowered. No dice in disc mode.

Btw,
Since Tarsacci unit was mentioned in this thread.
Would it had hit the dime in video above ?
Based on my use when I had one, it wouldn’t have.
I did a similar test usi;g it in very same site.
Actually did 4 test (dug 4 different t holes) to be sure of my results.
Yes I played with Black sand and salt setting too.
I did dig a nonferrous find using Tarsacci as deep as dime in video above while actually. It was bigger than a dime, actually slightly bigger than a quarter.



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TNSS, being honest, do you believe you gave the Tarsacci enough time to where you were proficient with it? Or do you think you gave up on it too soon?

Aaron Wrote:
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> Been there done that. Great machine, go’s real DEE
> P but when it comes to unmasking in iron compared
> to the Tarsacci....FAH GET A BOUT IT!
>
> In fact...... I’ve got no use for or any other VLF
> !
>
> Anyone interested in a Deeptech Vista X in EXCELLE
> NT condition w a 6” coil lemme know!

How much you asking for your Vista X? Have a friend that might be interested.

Steve...… correct. With a ton more data out there on the Tarsacci; yes, I believe TNSS would do even better.

ozzie Wrote:
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> TNSS, being honest, do you believe you gave the Ta
> rsacci enough time to where you were proficient wi
> th it? Or do you think you gave up on it too soon?


I didn’t give up on the detector. A gent lived near beach and wanted one. He didn’t want or at the time couldn’t afford price of new one. So I give him a deal.

So.
I did depth test with detector. Granted my ground not super high mineralized. But mineralized enough to negatively affect many VLF detectors.

So, who is digging 10” deep dimes with it? Or even deeper? Detecting in soil?
When this detector was first talked about.
Go back and look.
It was said detector not for carpet of nails. Or there were better detectors out there for that task.
I believe it was said detector doesn’t break laws of physics.
So I guess, one of the experts needs to clear up, does Tarsacci depth wise give advantage in 4 bars soil. I didn’t see any. Maybe someone else does.
I never had the detector in 5 bars soil. Or 6 bars soil.
Maybe there is a breaking point where Tarsacci starts giving advantage depth wise.
I can say with 100 percent certainty. Based on head to heads. Tarsacci seemed to be unmasking in 4 bars (not ferrous masking related)soil better than Anfibio multi and Kruzer (non multi). But enter Deus Hf coil and EQX. Never saw Tarsacci give advantage to them. Did see some ties though.

Real simple.
Do the videos and show actual comparisons.
I even offered any Tarsacci owner here my external speaker so audio could be heard on go pro camera.

I even read read where seems vista X is punching 5 bars ground.
I can’t say whether it doesn’t on not.
Preliminary results right now for me reflect vista X might be struggling with 4 bars ground vs some other detectors I have. Jury still out.
I do comparison videos.
Wish more people would.
The term deep is thrown around on this forum too loosely imo.
What does deep mean when associated with a detector anyway???
Deep where? Too.
Here is post.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Here it comes...…… a bit of a paradigm-shift in te
> chnology/technological-advancements. I want to giv
> e you guys a (moderate) heads-up...… for something
> that is on the horizon. It is built by a small com
> pany (medium/small) that makes military-grade unde
> rwater locating devices. One of those engineers is
> a avid detectorist. He has convinced/steered the c
> ompany into inventing/building a hobby-line detect
> or. It's been in-the-works for about 18 years. All
> of the prototyping had been completed 2 years ago.
> It has been an "unreleased" completed product for
> the past 2 years. (((We are at: "shoot the enginee
> r" time-continuum))). It is not quite a VLF..... a
> nd it's not quite a PI. Ergonomically..... it has
> been 'pushed' to be in the shape of a detector...t
> hat we would 'recognize' as a detector. It's been
> some work..... to get the unit to 'sound' like a m
> etal detector. . . . . . that we would 'understand
> ' it's language/audio. It is "quirky". You will li
> ke some of the quirks.....and can put some of them
> to good use. Some things that I can share...… at t
> his time:
>
> * Very specifically targets TWO INTENTS:
> 1. Wet-Salt
> 2. Bad Mineralization
> This is to say...….. it does NOT target mega-trash
> y areas...… does NOT target carpets of nails.
>
> * NOT for beginners/novice. Targeted for seasoned
> detectorists.
>
> * IP-68
>
> * 11" x 8" DD open coil (hydrodynamic)
>
> * Electronics designed TO/FOR the coil. ((( If you
> want to change coils..... you must change the elec
> tronics. This is a very specific/discrete platform
> . )))
>
> * Weight/Ergonomics: Very similar to F75/EQX/T2
>
> * One rechargeable battery. 1-1/3 length of a C-Ce
> ll. Diameter of a C-Cell. 6000mAh 3.7V. This is a
> 'off the shelf'......easy to access/buy......and Y
> OU can change it... in about 40-seconds. (Under th
> e armcup).
>
> * Full VDI ID ….. with a 60-point span.
>
> * A very real/correct All-Metal Mode. Disc Mode. I
> D Mode.
>
> * Iron span range is: -30 to 0. And for a very s
> pecific/discrete electronic platform rationale/jus
> tification. You DON'T want this changed.
>
> * Non-Ferrous span range is: 0-30.
>
> * In certain modes..... very responsive to high co
> nductors.
>
> * Inches deeper than Excal/CZ/Sov for coins and go
> ld rings..... in a wet-salt environment. ((( Almos
> t exactly parallels the performance of my 'tuned/t
> weaked' AquaStar-II..... in the wet-salt. . . . .
> but. . . . . with FULL ID capabilities. ))) Resona
> nt (great) for tiny gold rings, small, medium and
> large gold rings. This is where the depth advancem
> ents have taken place.
>
> * One of the paradigm-shifts: Ground Balance the u
> nit in the dry sand FIRST. ((( And in a different
> fashion: Hold coil about 10" above the ground. Pre
> ss and hold GB button. Lower the coil to about 1"
> off of ground. Release GB button. DONE. ))) Then.
> ..…… walk down to the wet-salt. . . and manually z
> eroize your local wet-salt content/volume. Now the
> detector … no longer even sees the wet-salt. It is
> not 'canceled'. It is not phase-shifted out. It is
> not Ground Balanced out. The high conductivity of
> the wet-salt is no longer seen. This is a fairly l
> arge dramatic departure from all other detectors.
> First time in history. A paradigm-shift.
>
> * This unit targets beach hunters.... and relic hu
> nters in bad dirt. This unit loses depth/performan
> ce in bad dirt …but at a SLOWER rate than other un
> its. It 'holds on' to good target ID's at deeper d
> epths.... in bad dirt..... at a better depth/ID ra
> te than other units.
>
> * Trying to keep the cost below the CTX-3030 MSRP.
> If we don't market/advertise it..... the cost may
> be around $1600..... or slightly lower. The intent
> may be to sell the unit on this web-site (forum) o
> nly/exclusively. That way..... we can circumvent a
> dvertisement costs (which can be very expensive).
>
> * For the most-part: K.I.S.S. theory has been empl
> oyed.
>
> * Heavy gauge carbon fiber.
>
> More details to follow...… possibly.



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Hey TNSS are you trying to call me out??Tom out ??

Use my name if its me..Dont be shy then I will give you some real INFO?

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Hey TNSS are you trying to call me out??Tom out ??
>
> Use my name if its me..Dont be shy then I will giv
> e you some real INFO?
>
> Keith


All I did was answer Ozzie question. And give my opinion(s). And ask a few questions for anyone here really who wants to answer.
I don’t use detector models in a worldly fashion. Few folks here likely do.

Never have been called shy before. Actually quite the reverse.
Guess there a first time for anything really.

TNSS, you have any new videos on the X

El

I agree that the term "deep" is thrown around too loosely on the forum. My deepest detector was an Fisher 1266x with the solid 11" coil. It detected a quarter size piece of aluminum 14 plus inches deep....two inches past a clay layer. It was a solid positive signal and it turned out to be a small piece of a light-bulb (threaded part). That 1266 found me lots of good relics, but too much trash. Very noisy......takes lots of patience. The past Vista models were less noisy, but still lots of trash. Tesoro models were not as deep, but the good targets to trash ratio was better. Time-factor does come into play on limited sites. Perhaps the Vista-X is the solution as a second detector. I'm not giving up my Nox 800 any time soon.



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Elbert Wrote:
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> TNSS, you have any new videos on the X
>
> El


Plan to use/test El and do some more videos soon.
I’ll post them in this thread.
Will be talking about the alternative disc too as well as some video.

If you always tell the truth you really dont have to worry about anyone trapping you with your own words. I remember what I type and also what others say.
It is the vista x now and it was the gold gain unit some time back. Even now the Tarsacci has all of sudden become a CARPET OF NAILS IRON MONSTER.
Even after Tom said it was not in the Tarsacci post ...he also said the Deus and Equinox were the top dogs for those situations.
Are we to believe Tom did not know what he was talking about?? Dont think so he is a smart guy.

Keith is the Vista Gold gain still the best detector ever made for iron? Your own words.. Does the vista x beat it? What about the Tarsacci? Please give us some real info ...

ANYBODY can make claims and type on the internet .. proof is in the pudding!!

Look I get it metal detectors are a business and they need exposure to drive sales. Problem is you can put yourself in a bad situation by trying to over sale how good they are because the units are free.
I decided sometime back not to test units for companies because of this problem.

Go Pros are really cheap these days....

You want the best combo for relics buy a Deus with a HF Coil and a Equinox 800.... There is some real INFO! If anybody would like to see some finds with these machines just go check my channel out.

BTW the X looks really cool....LOL

The "Truth" changes with tech. One day this one is the "be all".... . .. in an hour there is another "cats meow".

The Deeptechs are proven hunters in Europe with lots of top finds, where they rate on performance will vary between users.
The MDT8000 isn't well known here, there's supposed to be a couple of uk users but more importantly I've not seen or heard of any finds.
I can defo see the benefit of a MDT on ancient pastures that have been heavily slurried yearly as it's like a blanket of minerals that blinds most single freq machines and kills depth, but it's an unknown if it would outperform a Nox in these conditions, and a risk at double the cost when you include import taxes etc