Equinox

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> kevinnc Wrote:
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> > I just did a test with a pull tab and a dime 4 i
> nc
> > hes apart. In the house on a table because it's
> st
> > ill raining in the 30s. In multi in every mode a
> nd
> > speed, the pull tab overtakes the dime when I ra
> is
> > e the coil a few inches. As long as the tab is u
> nd
> > er the coil, it drowns the dime. I switched to 4
> kh
> > z and the dime took over and the tab was not sou
> nd
> > ing off. The opposite. I could only get a tab si
> gn
> > al if I removed the dime. I can here the dime wi
> th
> > the tab on it. lol. I don't see where Park 1 and
> f
> > ield 1 is using the low frequencies in multi. It
> 's
> > just air and not dirt, but interesting. In mult
> i,
> > it would only separate the tab and dime with the
> c
> > oil almost touching them. At 3 or 4 inches away
> I
> > got 1 signal and it was all tab.
>
> Yes. If I had the Nox, and if I was going to angl
> e for high-conductor in-turf, I would definitely u
> se (and lock-in) those lower frequencies. They w
> ill favor high conductors.
>
> Can you repeat your test by putting the tab direct
> ly over the dime ? As if to mimic "under the blea
> chers" sort of conditions ? I realize this will n
> ot give you a perfect dime TID, but : Does it st
> ill give a high-enough TID that you know it's not
> a tab, such that .... if you were passing tabs and
> foil (cherry picking), that you'd investigate ?
>
> In those situations, with my Bandido or sabre, I c
> an reject tabs and foil all day long, and still ge
> t high conductor coins (pennies, dimes, etc...) th
> at are RIGHT under foil and tabs. Ie.: the mach
> ine is good at averaging, such that you'll still c
> hase it. Versus other machine tend to see only th
> e target that's on top, and don't average well.
>
> Notice that this is not a test of "separation" (wh
> ich is a function of recovery speed). This is a t
> est of "averaging" , not "separation".


I did put the tab on the dime and it was hitting a high tone and near the dime ID. The tab alone IDed as a tab. I didn't try rejecting the tab. It was doing this at range too, not with the coil almost touching like a lot of tests I've seen. Only in 4 khz. 5khz was not as good and all the rest were blinded.

I just repeated the test with a rusty nail in place of the tab. Now multi does better than 4khz. The nail doesn't blind the machine as bad as the tab did?

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> Badger, the way I'm reading this thread, is not-so
> -much a test of depth. It seems to be more of a d
> ebate about iron-see-through ghost-townsy things.
>
> If it were strictly a question of raw depth (on un
> -obstructed targets), then there's plenty of machi
> nes that are a step-sideways, or better, than the
> Nox.


I agree. Most of the time, raw depth is not going to be of much help on targets mixed closely with iron. I think what I was getting at was how to best learn the performance potential of a detector. Without the test garden, I would only be guessing how deep a detector will go or what settings work best.

I sometimes push iron and nails into the ground around the buried coins to simulate an iron masking situation and have learned a lot from that as well.

Raw depth does have a use in iron. In almost any area with heavy iron, there are occasionally spaces here and there where you can pull out some very deep coins. I will often max out my raw depth settings in the iron looking for these tiny widows and have made some nice finds doing this.

I constantly adjust the settings and frequencies when hunting around iron and will often hunt small areas over and over after making adjustments.

The Equinox is definitely a high-performance all-around detector. Right now I have the T2 SE, F-75 LTD, and Vista Gold as niche machines and only pull them out on rare occasions. I had the Explorer SE as my main detector for 15 years but prefer the Equinox for its performance and lightness.



Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2021 12:32AM by Badger in NH.

kevinnc Wrote:
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> I just repeated the test with a rusty nail in plac
> e of the tab. Now multi does better than 4khz. The
> nail doesn't blind the machine as bad as the tab d
> id?


Thanx Kevin ! I enjoyed reading your test inputs for this topic !!

Badger in NH Wrote:
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>.... In almost any a
> rea with heavy iron, there are occasionally spaces
> here and there where you can pull out some very de
> ep coins.

Yes. I should not have poo-poo'd depth that much. Because, sure : On my sabre, for instance , it does GREAT on iron-see through. But guess what ? : When trying to see through nails, I'll bet the depth drops to 3" or whatever (especially in minerals). But other depth-demon machines, like the Deus for instance, can help tie in the "best of both worlds". Any machine's depth will start to wain if there's not a clear line-of-sight to the target. But the less depth we loose in that process, the better !

(((Well said .... Tom)))!

Sometimes even a small 4cm nail can significantly limit the practical depth of detection in 3D separation to a small 15mm coin. Which is placed at a depth of 4 "in the field.,

Some detectors/+coils/ do better, and other detectors have much worse results.

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Equinox 800 on an 11 "coil - gets to 8" / 20cm / from the target ..what is ok for this type of coil..because the size of the coil is also important in addition to the separation quality of the detector ... and the reasonably smaller coil will have better..results ..

Working in the carpet with a nail is a little different thing ... ,, there is an important optimal coil size. but this simple test can suggest a bit .. what separation efficiency the given detector has ..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2021 10:38AM by EL NINO.

Would be nice if a coil could be invented where say a 4" coil could shoot a 4" cylindrical/tubular beam with zero waves coming from the sides? Or a 2" coil, or a 1"? straight down.
And bee deep like 16"'s.

A feller can daydream cant he?

EL NINO........ That is correct. . . . . . . and is "why" I have written SOOOoooooo much (on this forum) about "Depth" ..... vs ....... "EFFECTIVE-Depth"!

Steve...... I ponder those thoughts also...... but that is impossible with ElectroMagnetics (and the doughnut footprint 'balanced field' that must physics-adhere).
PLUS........for the most-part..........this World is 'trashy'.........and it is nearly impossible to find a deep target that has a 'clear shot' (sans any other metals/contaminants) down to it. There'll almost always be a BB from rat-shot/snake-shot...........or birdshot BB's...... flecks/flakes of rust particles, , , , , , , solid metallic objects like a boot-tack, staple, nail, fleck of chewing gum foil....etc....................... that will hinder the coils ElectroMagnetic footprint from seeing/touching that deep target. And here's where a bigger coil will "less" see (db-down) the rat-shot BB.......yet, still see the formidable-size Dime......and report the dime. (((EQX is good at this .... in the real-World.,.,.,.,., due to larger coil size....and subsequent large 'wrap-around' EM footprint))).

I guess me and all the multitudes of people who ha bought the Equinox and LEARNED it are all being being fooled by Minelab...
Hyped machine LOL You guys keep thinking that and swinging your F75 , AT PRO and the Ole Explorer...

I find this thread amusing ...I guess the Minelab engineers are sitting around trying to figure out how to get over on people... Wait a minute that is Fisher and Garrett doing that crap....

The only people who ever talk the Equinox being hyped or no good are the ones who have never learned to use it...

Two weeks on a machine and think your gonna go back to your old iron loaded haunts and pull out buckets full of relics ... Give me a break learn the machine..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/17/2021 01:09AM by calabash digger.

Woodbutcher Wrote:
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> Alot of what's being said here I've said since the
> nox first came out.
> Lots of guys hyped that machine up so much that pe
> ople think if they buy the equinox they'll come ho
> me with a pouch full of silver and gold,,Just find
> tons of coins in hunted out sites.Farthest thing f
> rom the truth,, location is the real key.
> It's good tho,but then again so are the f75,kruzer
> ,explorers and so on..I've taken the nox to sites
> I've pounded with the f75 and came away with nothi
> ng more.im sure in my hunting grounds the f75 is t
> he deepest machine I've used to date,no question i
> n my dirt...kinda hard not to when all the 9 inch
> deep coins I find are always with the f75,and noth
> ing else.
> Good luck with your nox,not a bad machine but othe
> rs are good too.

Ole woody I have a memory like a elephant few years back I remember you arguing that depth did not matter on detectors... Now all of a sudden you are digging 9 inch coins...

Most popular machine ever made... ALL of us who think the Nox outperforms the old crap and have tested it against the old crap...HAVE BEEN FOOLED...

Yeah right couple guys on here got it figured out....Hype...lol

I remember you saying a few years ago if a place has iron you leave and go somewhere else to hunt.... LOL

Notice the Guru on this forum does not even talk about the F75 anymore... I wonder why?

calabash digger Wrote:
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> Notice the Guru on this forum does not even talk a
> bout the F75 anymore... I wonder why?


Of course not!!!-----Because a new Sheriff's come to town----F-19! TU

F19 LOL .....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/17/2021 11:03AM by calabash digger.

calabash digger Wrote:
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> I guess me and all the multitudes of people who ha
> bought the Equinox and LEARNED it are all being be
> ing fooled by Minelab...
> Hyped machine LOL You guys keep thinking that an
> d swinging your F75 , AT PRO and the Ole Explorer.
> ..
>
> I find this thread amusing ...I guess the Minelab
> engineers are sitting around trying to figure out
> how to get over on people... Wait a minute that is
> Fisher and Garrett doing that crap....
>
> The only people who ever talk the Equinox being hy
> ped or no good are the ones who have never learned
> to use it...
>
> Two weeks on a machine and think your gonna go bac
> k to your old iron loaded haunts and pull out buck
> ets full of relics ... Give me a break learn the m
> achine..


you could say similar about the vanquish, and save a ton of money!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

The F75 used to be the big dog. I still use it. Only cuz I haven't pulled the trigger on another machine yet. Between the Knox. and the tarsacci. My hunting buddy kicks my butt on a regular basis with his Knox these days.

Don't be afraid to go out of the house with the f-75 for fear you are not equipped with a machine that "will keeel." (Forged in Steel saying) lol.
Old dog still bites hard.. .. and fast.

ozzie Wrote:
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> Don't be afraid to go out of the house with the f-
> 75 for fear you are not equipped with a machine th
> at "will keeel." (Forged in Steel saying) lol.
> Old dog still bites hard.. .. and fast.


Old dogs lose teeth too.
Just saying..

I can say from re hunting some of my best permissions with the NOX and the Multi Kruzer, that the F75LTD don't miss much in sandy land. So far, it is still my first choice to hunt a new site because I can cover more ground faster with it looking for house sites. It's balanced so I can sweep a wide path and it don't false much slowing me down.

In my sandy soil the F75 loves to call deep non ferrous ..... Ferrous... My friends T2 did the same thing....Where both the Deus and Equinox will call it non ferrous..
I agree the F75 is a comfortable detector to swing..

Some of my best finds came from hunted out sites...from the few targets that they missed.

4 years ago I bought a Deus and I was land detecting 2 or3 times a week back then. I learned my way with the Deus in iron...I spanked my buddy with the T2 99% of the time in the iron ... He now swings a Deus and its about a 50 50 split...

You will never know the advantages of the Nox if you dont spend time with it...

EVEN it was a tie on separation with the F75 the Equinox has a big depth advantage on mid to low conducters over the F75...

Equinox ,Deus combo lights out for relic hunting..

DONT under estimate what a high FREQ detector can do in iron....

BTW it takes sometime to figure out the NOX in heavy iron or at least it did for me...

calabash digger Wrote:
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> In my sandy soil the F75 loves to call deep non fe
> rrous ..... Ferrous... My friends T2 did the same
> thing....Where both the Deus and Equinox will call
> it non ferrous..
> I agree the F75 is a comfortable detector to swi
> ng..
>
> Some of my best finds came from hunted out sites..
> .from the few targets that they missed.
>
> 4 years ago I bought a Deus and I was land detecti
> ng 2 or3 times a week back then. I learned my way
> with the Deus in iron...I spanked my buddy with th
> e T2 99% of the time in the iron ... He now swings
> a Deus and its about a 50 50 split...
>
> You will never know the advantages of the Nox if y
> ou dont spend time with it...
>
> EVEN it was a tie on separation with the F75 the E
> quinox has a big depth advantage on mid to low con
> ducters over the F75...
>
> Equinox ,Deus combo lights out for relic hunting..
>
> DONT under estimate what a high FREQ detector can
> do in iron....
>
> BTW it takes sometime to figure out the NOX in hea
> vy iron or at least it did for me...


I can see that the Nox likes low conductors and hits them hard. I am going to use the 600 exclusively for a while until I am sure I know it and what it can do. The best mode between park and field for what I hunt for is still something I am unsure of.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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>
> Old dogs lose teeth too.
> Just saying..

Had to laugh on that TNS. I don't think the 75 lost teeth. . the EQ just has bigger ones. lol


>Calabash Wrote : EVEN it was a tie on separation with the F75 the Equinox has a big depth advantage on mid to low conductors over the F75...

I would think it's the other way around. .. . that the F-75 is deeper and the EQ separates better. How much deeper is the EQ verses the 75 in your soil?

Calabash - Thanks for saying what I was thinking as I read through most of these posts.

As much as I loved the F75SE and used it for years, the equinox blows it away . When I lived in Ohio the nox was deeper, separated better, better on all conductor's. I did plenty of side by side tests with settings I tweaked to get the best I could out of each detector and the nox just did better . Now I hunt salt water mostly and no longer have any First Texas detectors. I use the nox , and a tarsacci that I plan on stopping off at Calabashes house soon as weather gets a little better so he can run it through some tests. Probably a couple weeks or so from now.

ozzie Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> >
> > Old dogs lose teeth too.
> > Just saying..
>
> Had to laugh on that TNS. I don't think the 75 los
> t teeth. . the EQ just has bigger ones. lol
>
>
> >Calabash Wrote : EVEN it was a tie on separation
> with the F75 the Equinox has a big depth advantage
> on mid to low conductors over the F75...
>
> I would think it's the other way around. .. . that
> the F-75 is deeper and the EQ separates better. Ho
> w much deeper is the EQ verses the 75 in your soil
> ?

I did a test on separation between the Nox and F75. The Nox did good on a dime close to a nail, but the F75 beat it on a dime close to a pull tab. In multi with the coil a few inches above the targets, the nox hit the tab and ignored the dime in every speed and mode. As long as the tab was under the coil with the dime, it focused on the tab. It would hit both if I almost scrubbed the coil on them, but not raised. Even touching each other, the F75 saw the dime when I crossed it first. Dime one way and tab the other. Now in single frequency at 4 and 5khz on the Nox, it was a different story. The pull tab is ignored and the dime takes over.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2021 09:28PM by kevinnc.

Personally I've never came across surface coins and nails, closest would be ploughed ground, so not a scenario I'd be testing my detector for to be honest.
I have found plenty of old coins above, below and in the vicinity of iron with the Nox though, especially low to mid conducing silver one's.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2021 09:30PM by ghound.

ghound Wrote:
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> Personally I've never came across surface coins an
> d nails, closest would be ploughed ground, so not
> a scenario I'd be testing my detector for to be ho
> nest.
> I have found plenty of old coins above, below and
> in the vicinity of iron with the Nox though, espec
> ially low to mid conducing silver one's.


True, but what I found more interesting to me is how 4khz and 5khz will hit a high conductor coin with a low conductor tab right next to it and multi will not. Iron acts different.

kevinnc Wrote:
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> ghound Wrote:
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> > Personally I've never came across surface coins
> an
> > d nails, closest would be ploughed ground, so no
> t
> > a scenario I'd be testing my detector for to be
> ho
> > nest.
> > I have found plenty of old coins above, below an
> d
> > in the vicinity of iron with the Nox though, esp
> ec
> > ially low to mid conducing silver one's.
>
>
> True, but what I found more interesting to me is h
> ow 4khz and 5khz will hit a high conductor coin wi
> th a low conductor tab right next to it and multi
> will not. Iron acts different.

It's the frequency . In multi depending on mode, the frequencies can be weighted higher like park 2 that may see the pulltab before coin. I know in park 1 it won't see small foil like gum wrappers etc. If you have a sea of pull tabs then you have the ability to switch gears (frequencies) and partially ignore them as they won't hit so hard in lower frequencies. Having these options on 1 detector is fantastic. Aluminum is powerful on all detectors from what I've seen over 40 plus years. Ive always just dug it up so I could get the deeper goodies later .

(((You may want to head-to-head compare the EQX to the F75 in real-World conditions only. Especially in fairly trashy environments.)))

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> (((You may want to head-to-head compare the EQX to
> the F75 in real-World conditions only. Especially
> in fairly trashy environments.)))


Hunted with it today and found some very deep things. Liking it better each time.