Sounds like new units coming from First Texas (VLF and PI)

Go to approx 11 minute 45 second mark here.
[m.youtube.com]

I am not sure this video actually shows all that has been shared publically.
So I will put this link here.
[www.findmall.com]



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I was talking to a person from FT a few years ago and they described several machines they were testing and said they would probably come out that year. Nothing. They even said 2 were water proof. 2 came out that year that matched what he described, but not by FT.

Anything that is released will be immediately compared to the Equinox in performance and price. The bar has been set and it is high.

I believe anything released by a Minelab competitor needs to offer something better than the Equinox. Not just as good as, but better. There is a crazy amount of Equinox owners out there, and they are not going to give them up very easily.

And please not another beginner model. The world has had enough.



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Will believe it when I see it and then I will be skeptical that its nothing more than a F75 92 version rebadge..

goodmore......true. Well said.

don't count 'em out! they got plenty of financial wallop, and their crew of engineers are second to none!
bet their ''stuff' has been in "skunk works" for a while, and will be out sometime this spring.

(h.h.!)
j.t.

jmaryt Wrote:
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> don't count 'em out! they got plenty of financial
> wallop, and their crew of engineers are second to
> none!
> bet their ''stuff' has been in "skunk works" for a
> while, and will be out sometime this spring.
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.


Seems to me like they've been in "skunkworks" for the last 15 or 20 years. Nothing worth noticing from Fisher since F-75, F-19, Gold Bug Pro.

I would think in regards to the pi it would be more of a re-release of the AQ. Which they try to release last season with little success. They were supposed to produce approximately 100 of them and I think only about 20 made it out the door. As for a vlf I think that platform has reached its limit. So unless they have something truly new. It would be more of a recycling of existing units.

gman Wrote:
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As for a
> vlf I think that platform has reached its limit. S
> o unless they have something truly new. It would b
> e more of a recycling of existing units.


That could be the reason why FT doesn't make a beach detector. Minelab has cornered the beach market for the past two decades and FT probably feels that they can't compete. The AQ isn't going to change that but it might corner a very small niche of it.



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Badger in NH Wrote:
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> gman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> As for a
> > vlf I think that platform has reached its limit.
> S
> > o unless they have something truly new. It would
> b
> > e more of a recycling of existing units.
>
>
> That could be the reason why FT doesn't make a bea
> ch detector. Minelab has cornered the beach market
> for the past two decades and FT probably feels tha

They make a beach detector, CZ-21, 1280x the rest can work on dry sand. . .whatchu talkenbout willis?


> t they can't compete. The AQ isn't going to change
> that but it might corner a very small niche of it.

CZ21 is not a beach detector. It's a water hunting and diving detector. I've owned a CZ20 since 1998 and still use it occasionally for detecting mineralized rocky beaches. I bought it with the intention of water hunting and possibly diving but discovered that diving was too expensive and there aren't many places around coastal NH worth water hunting.

The depth performance of the CZ20 on the wet sand is fantastic but it's just not designed to be used out of the water. Hip or chest mounting is a hassle. The heavy box is connected to the shaft by the wire. Plus, you can't change coils or headphones and the headphones that come with it are crap. For 20 years I've been saying that Fisher should make a beach version of the CZ20/21 but I guess compared to what Minelab offers, not many would want one but me.

I use the CZ20 with the 8-inch concentric coil on mineralized rocky beaches because it seems to have a slight edge over the Equinox in those conditions. I always find more in the rocks with the CZ20 than the Equinox but can't help but wish that it was designed like a normal detector.

On the wet sand, I use the Equinox for its lightness, ease of use, and decent performance but I can honestly say that if Fisher made a well-designed beach version of the CZ21, I would prefer that over the Equinox.

The Fisher 1280x is not multi-frequency so won't work well in wet salt conditions. It's made for lake diving and inland water hunting.



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Splitting clam hairs, are we. I think you are wrong that FT doesn't have a beach detector, I named 2.
All others can hunt the dry salt beach especially the cz3d, w/ 5kh + 15kh simul-multi's.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2021 07:19PM by ozzie.

ozzie Wrote:
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> Splitting clam hairs, are we. I think you are wron
> g that FT doesn't have a beach detector, I named 2
> .
> All others can hunt the dry salt beach especially
> the cz3d, w/ 5kh + 15kh simul-multi's.


To most people on this forum, a beach detector is one that is designed to be used on the wet salt sand. Any single frequency machine can work well in dry beach sand if the sand is dry enough. That doesn't make them beach detectors.

The CZ20/21 is designed primarily for underwater use. If you prefer to beach hunt hip-mounted and hardwired that's fine, but it's still a water/dive machine.

Yes, you can call the CZ3D a beach detector but the design is archaic. Why would anyone want a 5.6 pound analog detector with terrible ergonomics? I suppose you could hip mount it but why not just buy an Equinox for more or less the same price?



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Badger in NH Wrote:
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> jmaryt Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > don't count 'em out! they got plenty of financia
> l
> > wallop, and their crew of engineers are second t
> o
> > none!
> > bet their ''stuff' has been in "skunk works" for
> a
> > while, and will be out sometime this spring.
> >
> > (h.h.!)
> > j.t.
>
>
> Seems to me like they've been in "skunkworks" for
> the last 15 or 20 years. Nothing worth noticing fr
> om Fisher since F-75, F-19, Gold Bug Pro.


he! heh! he! don't disagree! seems like it's been "forever" since they
scored with some decent units!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> gman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> As for a
> > vlf I think that platform has reached its limit.
> S
> > o unless they have something truly new. It would
> b
> > e more of a recycling of existing units.
>
>
> That could be the reason why FT doesn't make a bea
> ch detector. Minelab has cornered the beach market
> for the past two decades and FT probably feels tha
> t they can't compete. The AQ isn't going to change
> that but it might corner a very small niche of it.


somehow, i just feel that they are going to "surprise" a lot of people soon!
they are losing market share to others, but i don't feel it's terminal! they are diversified,
and pack some financial wallop...i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> To most people on this forum, a beach detector is
> one that is designed to be used on the wet salt sa
> nd. Any single frequency machine can work well in
> dry beach sand if it's dry enough. That doesn't ma
> ke them beach detectors.

What, did you take a poll?
Because it's winter and I'm on the bored side of things, lets ask the forum members. We have to get at least a couple dozen answers. If I am wrong, so be it.

QUESTION TO THE FORUM MEMBERS:

Does Fisher First Texas make/sell a beach detector?



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Fisher had always made a quality machine. Hell, f75 still gets it done..

Personally I think they could build off their CZ 21.
Just turn it into something like the equinox.
More tones and a ID display in a light package for surf/sand hunters.
The AQ was a waste of time for them.

ozzie Wrote:
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> Badger in NH Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To most people on this forum, a beach detector i
> s
> > one that is designed to be used on the wet salt
> sa
> > nd. Any single frequency machine can work well i
> n
> > dry beach sand if it's dry enough. That doesn't
> ma
> > ke them beach detectors.
>
> What, did you take a poll?
> Because it's winter and I'm on the bored side of t
> hings, lets ask the forum members. We have to get
> at least a couple dozen answers. If I am wrong, so
> be it.
>
> QUESTION TO THE FORUM MEMBERS:[/size
> ]
>
> Does Fisher First Texas make/sell a beach detector
> ?

yes, but the cz-21 is heavy and cumbersome to use on a beach,BUT yes
it can be considered a "beach machine" in my view!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Personally I think they could build off their CZ 2
> 1.
> Just turn it into something like the equinox.
> More tones and a ID display in a light package for
> surf/sand hunters.
> The AQ was a waste of time for them.


i agree! although dated, the technology of cz equipment
was/is excellent in "salt water environments'', and getting it lighter, and
easier to handle could make a difference.

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> CZ21 is not a beach detector. It's a water hunting
> and diving detector. I've owned a CZ20 since 1998
> and still use it occasionally for detecting minera
> lized rocky beaches. I bought it with the intentio
> n of water hunting and possibly diving but discove
> red that diving was too expensive and there aren't
> many places around coastal NH worth water hunting.
>
> The depth performance of the CZ20 on the wet sand
> is fantastic but it's just not designed to be used
> out of the water. Hip or chest mounting is a hassl
> e. The heavy box is connected to the shaft by the
> wire. Plus, you can't change coils or headphones a
> nd the headphones that come with it are crap. For
> 20 years I've been saying that Fisher should make
> a beach version of the CZ20/21 but I guess compare
> d to what Minelab offers, not many would want one
> but me.
>
> I use the CZ20 with the 8-inch concentric coil on
> mineralized rocky beaches because it seems to have
> a slight edge over the Equinox in those conditions
> . I always find more in the rocks with the CZ20 th
> an the Equinox but can't help but wish that it was
> designed like a normal detector.
>
> On the wet sand, I use the Equinox for its lightne
> ss, ease of use, and decent performance but I can
> honestly say that if Fisher made a well-designed b
> each version of the CZ21, I would prefer that over
> the Equinox.
>
> The Fisher 1280x is not multi-frequency so won't w
> ork well in wet salt conditions. It's made for lak
> e diving and inland water hunting.

Good post. Thanx.

jmaryt Wrote:
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> .... although dated, the technology of cz equi
> pment
> was/is excellent in "salt water environments'',

Yup. No one could argue with the CZ ability (like the CZ6) on the inter-tidal wet-salt-sand zones ! The only thing I didn't care for, was the silent search, and the affinity to ID bent nails as good targets sometimes. Other than that, yes, they were way-ahead of their time.

Badger in NH Wrote:
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> ozzie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Splitting clam hairs, are we. I think you are wr
> on
> > g that FT doesn't have a beach detector, I named
> 2
> > .
> > All others can hunt the dry salt beach especiall
> y
> > the cz3d, w/ 5kh + 15kh simul-multi's.
>
>
> To most people on this forum, a beach detector is
> one that is designed to be used on the wet salt sa
> nd. Any single frequency machine can work well in
> dry beach sand if the sand is dry enough. That doe
> sn't make them beach detectors.
>
> The CZ20/21 is designed primarily for underwater u
> se. If you prefer to beach hunt hip-mounted and ha
> rdwired that's fine, but it's still a water/dive m
> achine.
>
> Yes, you can call the CZ3D a beach detector but th
> e design is archaic. Why would anyone want a 5.6 p
> ound analog detector with terrible ergonomics? I s
> uppose you could hip mount it but why not just buy
> an Equinox for more or less the same price?


Not too many takers for my poll.... . ..seems though so far "most people on this form" know Fisher has a beach detector.(s) Could still use more opinions.

Badger...... The CZ-platform "Salt" Mode genuinely makes the CZ a beach hunter. All of the CZ's. CZ-5, CZ-6, CZ-6a, CZ-7, CZ-7a, CZ-7a Pro, CZ-70, CZ-20, CZ-21. And IN all of these options....... some are waterproof......some are rain/splashproof......and some are not waterproof. Your choice; your budget.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Badger...... The CZ-platform "Salt" Mode genuinely
> makes the CZ a beach hunter. All of the CZ's. CZ-5
> , CZ-6, CZ-6a, CZ-7, CZ-7a, CZ-7a Pro, CZ-70, CZ-2
> 0, CZ-21. And IN all of these options....... some
> are waterproof......some are rain/splashproof.....
> .and some are not waterproof. Your choice; your bu
> get.


I know how great the CZs are on the wet sand. I've been using a CZ-20 on the beach for over 20 years. All I was saying was that the CZ-20/21 was not designed to be used out of the water. It's a water/dive machine. Will it work on the beach? Yes, but since it was not designed for beach hunting, it is not a beach detector.

I want Fisher to design a CZ specifically for detecting the wet sand beach and out to knee-deep. For this, it needs to be lightweight, and have the ability to change headphones and coils. It doesn't need to be waterproof. Splashproof and rain resistant is all you need on the beach and that will help keep the price down. Also please, please, please, NO SPEAKER! The speaker should be an accessory that you plug into the headphone jack. If you want one, buy one.

If Fisher's only beach detectors are the CZ-21 and CZ-3D, that is a pretty lame lineup.



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I used to see plenty of Excals and CZs on the beach. Now it's the Nox. Fisher could knock about 5 lbs off of the 21 and call it the 22.

The CZ-20/21 was designed to be hip-mounted for the wet-slope. Pole mounted for water/underwater. Yes...... it is a big, bulky, HEAVY tank!
The CZ-6a was a speakerless, splashproof (fairly lightweight) unit for the beach..... to include wading. But........ it is no longer produced.

I liked the CZ.... but yes it was a bit bulky and i think most now days if you dont have a screen would prefer multi tones.... especially if you are trying to use it in the dry sand. I agree its a water/wet sand machine.... but i certainly wouldnt make it just a wader. The less waterproof these machines are the more issues you have on a salt water beach. Doing away with a speaker.... i like.

Was the CZ line discontinued when FT bought Fisher? What year was that?

I've always wondered why they chose to drop the best beach detectors that Fisher was making at the time. They could have easily competed with Minelab for the multi-frequency market and still could today.

Right now, I'm liking my CZ20 more than my Equinox at the beach. Yesterday I got three Mercs, a Washington quarter, and a Walker Half that were super deep. Even with all the disadvantages of using the CZ20 out of the water, you can't deny the performance of a CZ machine.



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NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> The CZ-20/21 was designed to be hip-mounted for th
> e wet-slope. Pole mounted for water/underwater. Ye
> s...... it is a big, bulky, HEAVY tank!


If we're comparing detectors designed for wet sand hunting back in those days, the Minelab Explorer was far superior. Now the Explorer is considered a tank.



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