Old tech VS New Tech

Heres your chance to tell us where your coming from... How should we be talking about detectors these days? What should we address in our reviews of detectors?

There is a place for both older & newer technology in detectors as in anything else. Obsolescence is rarely definitive. Same with people, there is a place for everyone if the proper perspective is held in view. The Golden Rule does not measure material things.

Chris

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> ...steel bottle caps will drive you nuts and they can be deep too. I dug them down 8"-9" before along with deep waded up Little balls of foil with a Coinstrike as it loved them.

The C$ was deep, and it loved deep round things, any and all deep round things haha and it loved EMI. When it was on though, it was on!

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> -----
> > ...steel bottle caps will drive you nuts and the
> y can be deep too. I dug them down 8"-9" before al
> ong with deep waded up Little balls of foil with a
> Coinstrike as it loved them.
>
> The C$ was deep, and it loved deep round things, a
> ny and all deep round things haha and it loved EMI
> . When it was on though, it was on!

LOL........................yeah, had one myself until it kept ID'ing bottle caps and pull tabs as coins..........Should have kept the Fisher ID Edge instead of upgrading to the C$.

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

Do i dig more finds with a modern multi freq than i did old fixed low freq detectors, yes.

If a detector is uncomfortable to swing, or not pleasant to listen to, it's not enjoyable to use for me.

This hobby is all about enjoyment for me.

Sven1 Wrote:
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> Cal_cobra Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Harold,ILL. Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > ...steel bottle caps will drive you nuts and t
> he
> > y can be deep too. I dug them down 8"-9" before
> al
> > ong with deep waded up Little balls of foil with
> a
> > Coinstrike as it loved them.
> >
> > The C$ was deep, and it loved deep round things,
> a
> > ny and all deep round things haha and it loved E
> MI
> > . When it was on though, it was on!
>
> LOL........................yeah, had one myself un
> til it kept ID'ing bottle caps and pull tabs as co
> ins..........Should have kept the Fisher ID Edge i
> nstead of upgrading to the C$.


I think I had the ID Edge as well, or was it the Excel (what's the difference?) The control housing was very small, and it was super light, unfortunately it wasn't (at least for me) super deep like the C$ was. IIRC it was a dumbed down C$

Wow, congrats to most of you experts, this is why newer guys like me are afraid to say things.
Hope your sons or grandchildren aren’t treated like this.
You have now one less subscriber. Thank you for nothing.

calabash digger you dont know what you are talking about. You believe what you are saying, but what you are saying isnt correct

"It's only when we lost everything, that we are free to do anything"

I quit paying any attention to him long ago.---He does occasionally make a good point--then screws it up with his bitterness & hatred.----Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> calabash digger you dont know what you are talking
> about. You believe what you are saying, but what y
> ou are saying isnt correct

Beyonder-Pa Wrote:
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> calabash digger you dont know what you are talking
> about. You believe what you are saying, but what y
> ou are saying isnt correct


Does anyone watch calabashs videos anymore? I mean,I would if they were actually in field hunting and of his finds .But they're more opinion based talking than in field hunting. I'm not much for the soaps

Bill long Wrote:
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> ScoTTT2 Wrote:
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> > this is my third year detecting .. so I haven't
> sp
> > ent thousands of dollars on this hobby, yet .. I
> h
> > ave spent thousands of hours hunting, however an
> d
> > I sure do enjoy the time I'm out hunting and mak
> e
> > some really good finds most every time I go out

+2

(h.h.!)
j.t.
> ..
> > my comparison isn't done the same way Billy Bob
> do
> > es his comparisons .. my comparison is done with
> t
> > he only guy I regularly hunt with .. he has a No
> x8
> > 00, I have a T2se .. and hunt after hunt, field
> af
> > ter field, yard after yard, park after park .. b
> ot
> > h our trash to treasure ratios are so similar as
> t
> > o not be a factor .. sometimes I'm the one with
> th
> > e best find(s), sometimes he's the one with the
> be
> > st find(s) .. but neither one of us continually
> bl
> > ows the other away ... as far as tech vs. tech .
> .
> > it seems, unscientifically of course, that the f
> ir
> > st one to put a coil over the treasure 'wins' ..
> .
> > I also have a flip phone, so talk to me before s
> en
> > ding a text message ..if it is something importa
> nt
> > .
>
> This is my 45th year of detecting, and for what it
> ’s worth, from my experience, I agree with what yo
> u just said 100%

Tom_in_CA Wrote:
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> ScoTTT2 Wrote:
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> > the first one to put a coil over the treasure 'w
> ins' ...
> >
> > .
>
>
> Yes, sure, 95% of detecting is "location location
> location". But once 2 equally skilled guys are o
> n the SAME said-location, then you can bet that su
> btle advantages with various machines can very-muc
> h-come into play. Everyone wants the better mous
> etrap. But this assumes that "mice-exist in the
> first place" (ie.: location location location). O
> nce we deduce mice are there, then the mous
> etrap discussion comes into play


2 equally skilled guys on same location? first one over the goody gets it!
the rest is bullshit!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

beep and digs can be a terrific experience if ya know the tones! the audio modulation works well too on deeper hits.
learning the audio is key!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

calabash digger Wrote:
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> ScoTTT2 Wrote:
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> > I started in this hobby to enjoy myself .. I bou
> gh
> > t the T2+ package as my first machine because I
> go
> > t not only the machine, but the pinpointer and d
> ig
> > ger for the same price .. I really wasn't sure I
> w
> > as going to like this hobby .. but I do .. I bou
> gh
> > t the T2se to use in the few places of heavy EMI
> a
> > nd because I was comfortable with how the T2+ wo
> rk
> > ed .. I bought the T2se with the silver I found
> wi
> > th the T2+ .. Not to sure on my buddies understa
> nd
> > ing of his machine, but he's been detecting for
> ov
> > er 30 years, I've learned a lot from him ... but
> t
> > hat still doesn't say much .. I understand and k
> no
> > w what my machine is capable of and it's limits
> ..
> > also the deep sounds, real deep sounds, it makes
> .
> > . am I missing some good targets?, probably .. a
> re
> > you missing some good targets with the new tech?
> .
> > . probably, .. if you weren't there would be no
> re
> > ason to advance the tech any further .. am I als
> o
> > finding some real good targets, yes .. enough to
> k
> > eep me coming to places like this looking for th
> e
> > answers to questions I have .. and to search out
> o
> > ther places to hunt .. I consistently pull coins
> a
> > s deep as 15 inches .. so, in my hands the T2 is
> e
> > very bit as capable as the Nox is in my friends
> ha
> > nds .. that is what I have to unscientifically b
> as
> > e my observations on, which I though was the que
> st
> > ion. .. to state that you know anything about me
> o
> > r how I do anything is laughable .. we have neve
> r
> > met .. I don't want to be you. .. what I get fro
> m
> > your posts and videos is that if I don't use the
> m
> > achines that you think are the best then I suck
> ..
> > I would much rather learn something from all you
> r
> > experience .. but so far you haven't answered an
> y
> > questions I've had when I was looking for answer
> s
> > .. it was always someone else.
>
> As long as your happy ...15 inch coins with a T2 y
> eah right.....In your hands the T2 is EVERY bit as
> capable as the Nox...As long as you believe that..
>
> Here we go with the man offended my detector crap.
> ..
> I will give you a pass as the T2 is the only detec
> tor you have spent any time with so your knowledge
> base is very small on how different brands perform
> .
>
> Here is a answer that you were not looking for but
> I will give it to you for free...If your gonna sta
> y in the hobby sell that T2 and get yourself a goo
> d detector.


cali ya gotta lay off the product! you are sampling too much!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

ghound Wrote:
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> Do i dig more finds with a modern multi freq than
> i did old fixed low freq detectors, yes.


me too! +2

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Minero Wrote:
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> Wow, congrats to most of you experts, this is why
> newer guys like me are afraid to say things.
> Hope your sons or grandchildren aren’t treated lik
> e this.
> You have now one less subscriber. Thank you for no
> thing.


must keep an open mind on this forum!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

D&P-OR Wrote:
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> I quit paying any attention to him long ago.---He
> does occasionally make a good point--then screws i
> t up with his bitterness & hatred.----Beyonder-Pa
> Wrote:
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> -----
> > calabash digger you dont know what you are talki
> ng
> > about. You believe what you are saying, but what
> y
> > ou are saying isnt correct

it's in the fish! just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Yall dug up an oldie thread right here.

My take on it is a little controversial. I think a lot of detectorists are subject to the "Mandela Effect" when it comes to remembering things. Sort of like fish stories. Especially when the same results can't be duplicated today but that's just my take. If we would have had some of the current machines back in the day, there probably wouldn't be much left to find. Performance wise, the only machine I have saw a major leap forward from previous model to current model is the jump from Deus 1 to Deus 2. The others have been pretty stagnant with basically coil changes and model renaming being the biggest difference between current and previous models.

Old trashy parts with foil and pull tabs that the new machines love will always have some old coins. It is silly to say everything would be found today IMO.

Not everybody hunts parks Harold. Nor does everybody in the hobby exclusively hunt for old coins. I couldn't care less about coins myself. Unless they are silver, the ground corrodes them so bad you can't even see details on copper coins or nickels. From a relic and jewelry hunting perspective...if I would have had current machines 25-30 years ago, my collection would be a lot bigger. Especially all those wasted miles and properties I walked with Tesoro machines. Most of those places cease to exist today. If those older machines were as good as some of you remember them being, there shouldn't be much stuff left to find today anyway. But there is.

Of course you have machines like the Explorer, Etracs, CTXs, that are good in aluminum trash but they don't get it all.
I had a Etrac since day one for years and still would go back with my CZ-3D and find deep coins it missed. Not just me either as everybody and their brother pounds these parks with Minelabs also even the Mighty Nox has not cleaned them out.
Are they like virgin? No but you hunt them
enough you will find keepers.

Hi Harold!
Well, there is a new game in town now for polluted sites.
Guess?

And I ain’t joking either.
Impressive !!
All I will say.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2022 01:33AM by tnsharpshooter.

How is it in a old park filled with aluminum trash and foil? It ignores it or does high tone on it? What about EMI when hunting city parks? It seems noisy every video I see and everybody making excuses for it. You hunt big city parks with it? Even you buddy Ole' Cal video that thing would not shut up and he is out in the middle of no where it would sound like a 70s pinball machine in a city park I bet. Relic hunting different maybe but not what I do.
You talking about the Dues II or something else then?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2022 10:22AM by Harold,ILL..

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
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> Old trashy parts with foil and pull tabs that the
> new machines love will always have some old coins.
> It is silly to say everything would be found today
> IMO.

+2

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Back on topic........ I know the EQX (and I speculate the Deus-2) will certainly open new doors............ as compared to DMC-2b, CZ, X5 and a host of other previous generation detectors. NOT to underestimate (or downplay) the previous generation(s); yet, advances have been made.

((( And there's more to come. )))

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Back on topic........ I know the EQX (and I specul
> ate the Deus-2) will certainly open new doors.....
> ....... as compared to DMC-2b, CZ, X5 and a host o
> f other previous generation detectors. NOT to unde
> restimate (or downplay) the previous generation(s)
> ; yet, advances have been made.
>
> ((( And there's more to come. )))


Exactly! But you'll never get some of these guys to agree with that, even though it's true. They're like the Uncle Rico character in the movie Napoleon Dynamite... still living in '82.



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You're watching too many movies Daniel!----And yes, I currently have the great D2, the great D1, the great CTX, the great Etrac, & the great F-19.-----Hey, you know what---this ole fogey is STILL making GREAT finds with those old ("obsolete"--ha ha) detectors just like I am with the "latest & greatest".------Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> > Back on topic........ I know the EQX (and I spec
> ul
> > ate the Deus-2) will certainly open new doors...
> ..
> > ....... as compared to DMC-2b, CZ, X5 and a host
> o
> > f other previous generation detectors. NOT to un
> de
> > restimate (or downplay) the previous generation(
> s)
> > ; yet, advances have been made.
> >
> > ((( And there's more to come. )))
>
>
> Exactly! But you'll never get some of these guys
> to agree with that, even though it's true. They're
> like the Uncle Rico character in the movie Napoleo
> n Dynamite... still living in '82.

I wouldn't consider an eTrac, CTX, or Deus 1 an old machine either.

Given a situation where you had a new site to hunt today and your choice of any machine to hunt it with...would a Tesoro uMax (any of them), Whites Spectrum (any of them), 5900/6000 series or Fisher 1200 series or CZ, Minelab Sovereign (even with Patriot meter) or Musketeer be the one you grab? Maybe it would be for you but not for me. Like Tom said...in their day, they were the best of what was offered and that's what we used because of that. But I lean towards the newer stuff being better myself. That's what I would reach for. Disclaimer*** I'm not referring to a site like a tot lot or school yard with recent drop coins being the targeted finds. Any machine could beep dig stuff that's only a few inches deep. I'm talking a old 1700s style home, military campsite, or old park/school. Would you pick a sovereign over an etrac or CTX?



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Ole' Daniel just jealous as he missed the 70s last great decade with best music like Lynyrd Skynyrd the real band with Ronnie not one today. I saw them back in '77.
Or AC/DC with Bon Scott saw them in '78. Yes I am old but saw the best this country has to offer so would not trade it for a thing.