Deus 2 compared to Eqx 800 extreme depth tests.

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Very Nice!!!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2021 07:55PM by midalake.

Its a deep machine!

As far as 9" coil.....vs....11" coil.......,,,,,,,,,.........in terms of physics/envelop/footprint............. there is a HUGE difference (handicap) towards the Deus-2.
IF the SNR (Signal-to-Noise-Ratio) can be 'held-constant' for the 11" Deus-2 coil (when ever it gets released)......... I can hardly imagine what it will do........ in reference to 'depth'.
Things are looking really good.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> As far as 9" coil.....vs....11" coil.......,,,,,,,
> ,,.........in terms of physics/envelop/footprint..
> ........... there is a HUGE difference (handicap)
> towards the Deus-2.
> IF the SNR (Signal-to-Noise-Ratio) can be 'held-co
> nstant' for the 11" Deus-2 coil (when ever it gets
> released)......... I can hardly imagine what it wi
> ll do........ in reference to 'depth'.
> Things are looking really good.

The 11" coil is available now. Just not as accessory yet . Can only get it with detector from what I'm understanding.

Ok. Good to know. If SNR is held 'constant' with the 11" coil (as is with 9" coil)......I have strong suspicion it will leave no questions unanswered.....as far as being total World dominance ...as far as depth goes. (It's already looking that way with the 9" coil).

There's only 2 places where (I'm quite certain).... the Deus-2 will fall flat-on-its-face (due to its O.S.)......,,,,,, and that's:
Wet-salt WITH magnetic/black sand
and
fairly heavily mineralized dirt.
(Culpeper, VA would certainly be 'over-kill').

Only the Tarsacci and the GPX can survive in these types of environments..... due to their dramatically differing Operating Systems.

((( I'm kinda surprised no one has brought this up. )))

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Ok. Good to know. If SNR is held 'constant' with t
> he 11" coil (as is with 9" coil)......I have stron
> g suspicion it will leave no questions unanswered.
> ....as far as being total World dominance ...as fa
> r as depth goes. (It's already looking that way wi
> th the 9" coil).
>
> There's only 2 places where (I'm quite certain)...
> . the Deus-2 will fall flat-on-its-face (due to it
> s O.S.)......,,,,,, and that's:
> Wet-salt WITH magnetic/black sand
> and
> fairly heavily mineralized dirt.
> (Culpeper, VA would certainly be 'over-kill').
>
> Only the Tarsacci and the GPX can survive in these
> types of environments..... due to their dramatical
> ly differing Operating Systems.
>
> ((( I'm kinda surprised no one has brought this up
> . )))

I know this isn't a perfect solution, but I sent calabash 40lbs of Alabama Red dirt to use for testing . I know it isn't black sand, or Culpeper VA but it may give an idea as to performance . As long as the red dirt tests bad enough. I had some dirt last year that was so bad ,a very bright red in color, that made the equinox struggle. 4" max on a quarter. Now I'm sure someone could have used finer adjustments to improve depth but I could not. My deus hit it deeper believe it or not, but no I'd or 99 on I'd.

basstrackerman......that's good to hear! Very noble! The 40-lbs of dirt may give a clue as to how the Deus-2 will handle/respond/mitigate the bad dirt. The only problem with something like this is..... 40-lbs of dirt is a small volume. Any metal detectors coil needs to be 'long-distance-continuously-swept' over bad dirt.... in order to 'properly' get true representation. A bucket of red dirt (wet-salt-sand...... or any media......,,,,,,for that matter) means that the coil will be swept in clean air.......then over the bucket of red dirt.......then beyond the bucket.,.,.,back into free air. This means that the detector will see the bucket of dirt as a 'target'..........,,,,,,,,,,............even when no metallic implement has been placed in the bucket.
The reciprocal of this would be...to swing a coil continuously over bad dirt.......then pass the coil over a hole in the ground. Now.... the 'hole' in the ground: looks like a 'target'.

In any regard...... a bucket (box) of bad dirt..... will still provide some data; possibly enough to see a 'trend'.

My only concern with the Deus-2 being exposed to: black sand, red dirt, iron lateritic media (or a combination of any/all)......is........the Operating System (platform premise) will still be severely hindered/attenuated/handicapped by bad dirt. The Deus-2 is still a VLF Operating System......albeit SMF. Same with EQX, CZ, DFX. This 'type' of an O.S. rapidly starts to become hindered (depth AND ID).....as the mineralization levels: increase. The Tarsacci and the GPX also loses performance in bad dirt....... but at a much slower rate-of-performance-loss...as mineralization levels increase.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Ok. Good to know. If SNR is held 'constant' with t
> he 11" coil (as is with 9" coil)......I have stron
> g suspicion it will leave no questions unanswered.
> ....as far as being total World dominance ...as fa
> r as depth goes. (It's already looking that way wi
> th the 9" coil).
>
> There's only 2 places where (I'm quite certain)...
> . the Deus-2 will fall flat-on-its-face (due to it
> s O.S.)......,,,,,, and that's:
> Wet-salt WITH magnetic/black sand
> and
> fairly heavily mineralized dirt.
> (Culpeper, VA would certainly be 'over-kill').
>
> Only the Tarsacci and the GPX can survive in these
> types of environments..... due to their dramatical
> ly differing Operating Systems.
>
> ((( I'm kinda surprised no one has brought this up
> . )))

Hi Tom

So how much black sand do you think will mess it up? Mild? Medium? Also, the video showing it quieter than the Equinox in moving water, seems like they got something right? . What about the Black Sand circuit the new Deus will have?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2021 03:08PM by midalake.

midalake...... correct thought-process!!!

Yes, Deus-2 has a Black Sand (Magnetic soil) setting.......... BUT......... keep in mind..........this process is within the confinement of VLF (albeit SMF) Operating System. I'm certain that Magnetic soil Mode will HELP. But....... to what degree is dependent upon 2 engineering/physics functions.......... of which is under corporate confidentiality confinements...... I would speculate. I fully respect XP's "blood" into this project....,,,,,,and will not compromise. , . , . , . , . , . even though I have nothing to do with XP. Their technology ALSO dictates "volume" of magnetic sand handling abilities. As an outsider...... this is a indeterminant.

Yes....... I immediately piqued .....when I saw the coil "in the splash" of saltwater.........and it did not seem to interfere with detection of the gold ring. This is MAJOR. This may answer some of Dew's concern(s) of: how WELL will the D2 perform IN the saltwater. Lest we take this for granted!

Bad dirt is now my only concern for new detectors coming out. Hunt some places that are 4 and even 5 bar dirt some of that is due to fertilizer from the farmers some just high mineral dirt, so until I see any of the new machines shining in that setting I'm leaning toward tarsacci

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> basstrackerman......that's good to hear! Very nob
> le! The 40-lbs of dirt may give a clue as to how t
> he Deus-2 will handle/respond/mitigate the bad dir
> t. The only problem with something like this is...
> .. 40-lbs of dirt is a small volume. Any metal det
> ectors coil needs to be 'long-distance-continuousl
> y-swept' over bad dirt.... in order to 'properly'
> get true representation. A bucket of red dirt (wet
> -salt-sand...... or any media......,,,,,,for that
> matter) means that the coil will be swept in clean
> air.......then over the bucket of red dirt.......t
> hen beyond the bucket.,.,.,back into free air. Thi
> s means that the detector will see the bucket of d
> irt as a 'target'..........,,,,,,,,,,............e
> ven when no metallic implement has been placed in
> the bucket.
> The reciprocal of this would be...to swing a coil
> continuously over bad dirt.......then pass the coi
> l over a hole in the ground. Now.... the 'hole' in
> the ground: looks like a 'target'.
>
> In any regard...... a bucket (box) of bad dirt....
> . will still provide some data; possibly enough to
> see a 'trend'.
>
> My only concern with the Deus-2 being exposed to:
> black sand, red dirt, iron lateritic media (or a c
> ombination of any/all)......is........the Operatin
> g System (platform premise) will still be severely
> hindered/attenuated/handicapped by bad dirt. The D
> eus-2 is still a VLF Operating System......albeit
> SMF. Same with EQX, CZ, DFX. This 'type' of an O.S
> . rapidly starts to become hindered (depth AND ID)
> .....as the mineralization levels: increase. The T
> arsacci and the GPX also loses performance in bad
> dirt....... but at a much slower rate-of-performan
> ce-loss...as mineralization levels increase.

My hope was to give enough to spread out maybe 4" deep in a plastic tub so that the coil could pass over the dirt before the target. If that doesn't work I'm headed his way before long so I can take over another couple of buckets worth in a low profile plastic tote .

I agree, pump a Deus coil in my front field and it's will quickly fill the mineral scale lol


Pedlar mills Wrote:
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> Bad dirt is now my only concern for new detectors
> coming out. Hunt some places that are 4 and even 5
> bar dirt some of that is due to fertilizer from th
> e farmers some just high mineral dirt, so until I
> see any of the new machines shining in that settin
> g I'm leaning toward tarsacci

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> midalake...... correct thought-process!!!
>
> Yes, Deus-2 has a Black Sand (Magnetic soil) setti
> ng.......... BUT......... keep in mind..........th
> is process is within the confinement of VLF (albei
> t SMF) Operating System. I'm certain that Magnetic
> soil Mode will HELP. But....... to what degree is
> dependent upon 2 engineering/physics functions....
> ...... of which is under corporate confidentiality
> confinements...... I would speculate. I fully resp
> ect XP's "blood" into this project....,,,,,,and wi
> ll not compromise. , . , . , . , . , . even though
> I have nothing to do with XP. Their technology ALS
> O dictates "volume" of magnetic sand handling abil
> ities. As an outsider...... this is a indeterminan
> t.
>
> Yes....... I immediately piqued .....when I saw th
> e coil "in the splash" of saltwater.........and it
> did not seem to interfere with detection of the go
> ld ring. This is MAJOR. This may answer some of D
> ew's concern(s) of: how WELL will the D2 perform I
> N the saltwater. Lest we take this for granted!

Thanks Tom. My other point of interest in the salt video was when Calabash was looking at a series of buried coins that were in the splash/water zone.

I was watching for breakdown of the detection response. I saw none. All of the targets banged loudly regardless how fast the swing was or the water depth. Impressive!

Tom the splash zone can give detectors hick ups. But out farther its again unique as to how you might have to run it. To me a quiet machine sometimes concerns me. I like knowing the detector knows im hunting fluff sand and gives me just a bit of chatter in the troughs where minerals and tiny trash gather. Down here we also have that gray mud which is tuff for a detector to see thru. The CTX could run very quiet out there..... but its depth would go up and down. Until the guys who know start digging some targets its a wait and see. Shock me with some small chains. I dont mean to be disrespectful.... but the depth that the Deus got that chain in the water is hard for me to believe if its Gold.

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> Tom the splash zone can give detectors hick ups.
> But out farther its again unique as to how you mig
> ht have to run it. To me a quiet machine sometime
> s concerns me. I like knowing the detector knows
> im hunting fluff sand and gives me just a bit of c
> hatter in the troughs where minerals and tiny tras
> h gather. Down here we also have that gray mud wh
> ich is tuff for a detector to see thru. The CTX
> could run very quiet out there..... but its depth
> would go up and down. Until the guys who know sta
> rt digging some targets its a wait and see. Shoc
> k me with some small chains. I dont mean to be d
> isrespectful.... but the depth that the Deus got t
> hat chain in the water is hard for me to believe i
> f its Gold.

I talked with Calabash months phone and that chain is solid gold. I was pretty happy to hear him say that.