Tom what detectors do you like best and why?

Key phrase above “Is quite healthy today”.

And this here. Makes one wonder.
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Be a lot of rubber necking if any lower flying air machines fly over. Lol



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2019 04:39AM by tnsharpshooter.

I revised my list (above) slightly. I had some 'thunk' time last night...… and realized that it would be important to include the pinpointer.
Now..... the narrative:

I have an old/cheap (but functioning) Bullseye pinpointer. The Bullseye pinpointer can detect a dime to approximately 1"...…. and the F-Pulse can detect a clad dime (on highest setting) to approximately 4"....and with no falsing. When I find a target with a metal detector.... I dig a INITIAL plug. It is exactly at this point..... as to 'how' I rate a pinpointer. . . . . with only the INITIAL hole...dug. What is the success "PERCENTAGE" of finding the target the FIRST time with ONLY the INITIAL hole...dug.

Bullseye = 16%
F-Pulse = 73%

You can clearly see which 'capability' presents the most time-saving factor. Anything that presents below 20%... is a decelerater/inhibitor (inefficient/total waste of time). Anything above 40% starts to show some time-saving attributes. Anything above 70% is a large time-saver and potential target-saver. Since using a 4" capable pinpointer…… I have noticed a 70% reduction in damaged targets. Some folks have commented to me: "How can 4" be considered: "exacting: PINPOINT". This concern/statement would be true if the F-Pulse did not have a increasing-intensity VCO-type of intel presentation..... as you approach the target; which, in turn, gives you DIRECTION and DISTANCE-TO-TARGET (via its audio presentation).

Yes, agreed on the FPulse.

Good thing it has the adjustable freq., otherwise it plays havoc w the EQUINOX!

Somehow I changed it from the factory setting, had to reset it.

Aaron

TARSACCI - “Digging deeper, BEHIND the competition!”
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Fascinating words, NASA-Tom, regarding the Equinox...

Steve

Tom, Fishsr has a FISHER F75 LTD 2 . what's the diff between the LTD and the 2? which is better for relic hunting. thanks

The 75 LTD is the detector model - the LTD2 is that same detector as a package with 2 coils instead of 1 - 11” and 5”

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

lytle78 Wrote:
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> The 75 LTD is the detector model - the LTD2 is tha
> t same detector as a package with 2 coils instead
> of 1 - 11” and 5”


thanks Rick (sorry about the no gold...lol)

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Gold Bug-2 = Micro-Jewelry Hunting
>
> Tarsacci = Wet-Salt Beach Hunting
>
> Equinox = General Inland Hunting
>
> XP-GMP = Carpets of nails Relic Hunting
>
> F-Pulse = Inland/Turf mandatory pinpointer


Well Tom.... I don't have any experience with the XP-GMP or the Tarsacci but....... I can absolutely back you up with full agreement on the GoldBug 2, Equinox and the F-Pulse pointer.

Up to my ____ in Pulltabs, Grant

Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> "So explain, in layman's terms, what is happeni
> ng when one detector reads a buried (minie ball in
> this example) deeper in moderate to heavy minerali
> zed soil than another detector does. Does it mean
> that one detector has better filtering or bette
> r processing of the filtered data? Or could it be
> due to something else, and if so, what? "
>
> Hi Wayne.
>
> Its not just ground filtering but also how the det
> ector handles high conductive wrap around. All un
> its have a fixed cutoff point for high conductive
> targets. Once you pass that cutoff you hit a dead
> spot (variable in size depending on the mfg) then
> move into the ferrous range. Once the ground res
> ponse gets strong enough it starts up averaging th
> e target response, pushing it higher up the conduc
> tive scale. If the combined ground/target respons
> e gets high enough to pass the high conductive cut
> off point, it can either land in the dead spot and
> not report at all, or it can continue to move furt
> her around into the Ferrous range.
>
> This design feature, in combination with ground ca
> ncelling and ground filtering determines what you
> the user gets by way of a response. You can get
> a broken ferrous signal (deadspot ferrous bounce)
> or a straight ferrous response, or if the design c
> an hold it in place longer, you can get a non-ferr
> ous response.
>
> The CoinStrike is a great example of a design wher
> e the high conductive cut off point was put very f
> ar away from a normal high conductive target respo
> nse. The non-ferrous range is +1 to +99, yet a 34
> TID number was a silver dollar TID. There was st
> ill lots of non-ferrous range available to handle
> the mineralization addition to the response. A d
> ime TID is 28. Yet my minerals would push a 8" d
> eep dime up to a 42 to 44 response. All other uni
> ts would report this dime as ferrous, yet the Coin
> Strike had enough high conductive range left to ke
> ep it reporting as non-ferrous. As the minerals
> got stronger and continue to push the target upwar
> d in response even the CoinStrike would eventually
> wrap around to the iron range, but the -99 to 0 fe
> rrous reporting range had enough discrimimation to
> id targets that did that. Daniel TN has a good p
> ost about using the CoinStike in very high mineral
> s where the bullets wrapped into the negative numb
> ers and could still be identified by their TID.
>
> Anyway, its the combination that determines how it
> operates.
>
> Regards sweep speed, again its back to the design
> of the above. Each mfg is different and faster /
> slower sweep speed affect each mfg's units differe
> ntly depending on how they designed the thing to w
> ork.
>
> HH
> Mike
>
> I don't know why the whole post is in Italics. I
> only italicized the quote. Shrug?


This is a very interesting thread with a lot of good information. An older thread yes, but this quoted post by Mike Hillis has got to be the best explanation I have ever read of the effects of mineralization on deep targets and of Iron wraparound. His post a little before explaining metal detector ground filters is also excellent.
We don't seem to have the need to understand the why behind our detectors as much as in the past. Reliance on technology is a double edged sword.
NASA Tom, is it time to update your list for us?

Chris

Tom since the Manticore and Equinox came out they make your list? What about the CZ-3D it still in your line up at all just curious as some consider it old tech.

Chris............ noteworthy point.......and........ just a reminder: Don't forget the Coin$trike was invented by Dimitar!........the same designer of whom invented the Tarsacci (about 20-years later).

Today (July 29, 2023) I use:

Manticore for all inland hunting.
Manticore for all beach hunting.
A tie between Manticore & Gold Bug-2 for micro-jewelry hunting.
If EMI knocks out the Manticore......... Tarsacci becomes primary. (CZ is now a distant secondary).
If mineralization is 'medium' (or higher)........ only/exclusively: Tarsacci.

F-Pulse remains absolutely mandatory for all inland hunting. Nothing has surpassed this pinpointer.

Is the pro find 40 a close second? I'm just so done with First Texas as a company.

Today I have a simple and effective setup for all conditions. Minelab Manticore and NExus MPV3. Why? Pure analog power and audio versus digital signal processing are the key to hunted-to-death places. Two coils with Nexus and two with Manticore. I can easily adapt to conditions.

The Nexus machines are very interesting. If they weren't so expensive I would like to have one. I wonder how you keep it Ground Balanced efficiently on quick changing difficult sites. GB seems to be critical to performance.
I'm still waiting on the new Versa from Rutus but have been enjoying a new to me MXT Tracker with it's Mixed mode choices. It is a very capable & well thought out unit.

Chris

I am not a fan of the F Pulse or TekPulse pinpointers. They false way too much, get "hung up" and require turning off and back OK, etc. The Quest Pro is top of the heap for me. Great battery life, sensitivity, and iron ID that actually works.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I am not a fan of the F Pulse or TekPulse pinpoint
> ers. They false way too much, get "hung up" and re
> quire turning off and back OK, etc. The Quest Pro
> is top of the heap for me. Great battery life, se
> nsitivity, and iron ID that actually works.


Agree with Daniel on that.----F Pulse/Tek Pulse have WAAAAY too much falsing.----TRX all the way for me!

That's the reason I haven't tried one. I have a good hunting buddy that had one. He called it the F-false...

He got rid of it; too much falsing and frustration.

Steve