How would you like to go thru this every site you detect???

[www.youtube.com]

I can just see it now. The Etrac/Ctx users are counting/looking at what they dug, while the other (you know) just gets started.

Less than 2 minutes in and I wanted to see him wrap it around a tree!

GREAT DAY!!!!-----I've done my hunt with my Etrac & heading home (with my finds) by the time this guy gets set up ready to hunt!

ADDENDUM, I wished the same thing after 20 seconds MichaganRelicHunter!!! I know now I never want to use a V3i.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2015 02:29AM by Fletch88.

And the scan that takes place for EMI using CTX, Etrac, even a Garrett ATX evidently works. A system like this should be employed on each and every flagship. No, ifs, ands or butts.
Now the detector does have a pretty screen, tops IMO. Racer does too though.
If we could get Minelab to put something like the V3i or Racer screen along with the CTX's and or Etrac's brain onto a F75's rod and use a Li Pro small lightweight battery we'd have a pretty good detector. Coin/silver slayer-top notch in every respect. And sell the detector with both stock and small coil.

Come on Minelab this is easy. If I can see it, surely you can.

And just think Minelab doesn't even really have to make a better functioning detector to improve sales or put extra pressure on the competition just change the ergonomics/weight of what already exist. I wish I had their problem. And I think a lot of other maunfacturers do too.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2015 02:46AM by tnsharpshooter.

And that is why I did not keep mine. Add to that a tweak you might make, forget about the tweak when you start it up a week later, then spend time trying to figure out what is up with the machine. Or you could just get down to business with a simpler but effective machine (insert your favorite here) for the given goals and environment.

I'll even go ahead and name the units for them.

CTX Lite
Etrac Lite

LOL

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> [www.youtube.com]
>
> I can just see it now. The Etrac/Ctx users are
> counting/looking at what they dug, while the other
> (you know) just gets started.


Obviously a inexperienced novice at the wheel.
Most people with the skill level to operate the V3i have had excellent results especially on jewelry and gold.
It's really simple to set up when you know how.
Your numerous custom program can be saved and switched to at will .
The V3i is only as complicated as people make it.

Tnss I know you're a racer fan but do you really understand how it's platform is different?
You can get racer performance from any machine in my opinion.

Known facts
High conducting metals are downgraded by mineralation
High conductors are downgraded by colocated targets
Colocated targets on 3D plain are separated by all detecters similarly


So in theory if you are finding targets with racer that are smaller and in iron trash - what does that equate to?
Is racer separating abilities doing something that it won't achieve above ground with structured tests?
No it's not -- that's why the treasure to trash ratio suks with racer!

Now here's the skinny on racer. And info that will allow practically all detecters to achieve racer like performance in iron and mineralation.

Most machines use notch discrimination or ability to turn off so to speak unwanted VDI or parts of a pattern -etrac

How many of you have dug a iffy target that turned out to be a surprise- everyone
What did you do ?You found a target that's conductive I'd was being lowered by coloated iron or mineralation
So what if we started digging signals lower than what we've been accoustomed without question?
How many targets in iron would turn out good? Some yes
How many targets in bsd dirt are being left due to vdi being brought down?many I think

So much like opening a window in the summer to let heat out
The wider you open it the more air gets in BUT so does more bugs!

I'm rambling I know
I can't test this latest therory about any machine picking out more difficult targets because of my location but I will in coming weeks.

Take out any machine with a small coil dug all targets in notch below where your coins usually reside and see if I'm on to something

"It's really simple to set up when you know how."--Silver master Sorta like the shuttle flight path.

I had one and it was too much for what it did and what I had to do to get it to do what I wanted it to do...

LowBoy

TAKE A LITTLE TIME KICKBACK AND WATCH SOME OF MY DETECTING VIDEO'S BELOW ON YouTube

[www.youtube.com]

If you don’t dig it, then how are you going to know what you’re missing!
How can you have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat!

Silvermaster, the video is about setup not about results.

And this your comment from above, "You can get racer performance from any machine in my opinion".
Again another comment that I see as pure baloney.

Get real, I didn't fall off the bread truck yesterday or the day before.

I post things here I see in the field with detectors. Some good and some bad. I also hope some manufacturers are reading some of these post. Some I guess would call it bashing, I see it different. Look at my thread above talking of Minelabs. You see they are pointed out here as well, although for a different reason.

I'm sorry I struck a nerve with you. BTW the gent doing the V3i video has posted more V3i you tube video by himself probably than all others combined. At least he took the time and made the effort. How about you showing us how simple it is to operate/setup with a few videos??

And yes I like the Racer for what it cost. Is there a detector out there that does some things better?? Yep BTW I can say that about any and all detectors. So does this make them all bad??? Certainly not.

I think folks need to look at your posting history.

Seems you like to post mainly in threads/posts where I've made comments. I've admitted to having only 5 years detecting experience, you say you have 30 plus years of detecting experience. So why bother with a small fish like me as much as you do???? There are many more bigger fish on here besides me. Why not educate them on detecting with your supposed long distinguished detecting career and experience???.

And you the big fish can ponder this thread concerning the Racer. A test done by the host of this forum. As far as my testing, I see what he sees. And the F75 aint no slouch in the separation dept with any coil attached.

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2015 04:07AM by tnsharpshooter.

I think the thing that really broke the deal for me on the V3i is the lack of the ability to conveniently program it with a computer and save/swap programs. Like the CTX. I thought there were some rumors way back when about Whites not being licensed to use those type of features. Maybe if Whites had sponsored one day advanced classes it might do better. For instance I like the idea of the XP Deus classes except for the fact they are limited to certain areas and probably hard to schedule and not very profitable for Sabisch. Powerful customizable machines, but get something wrong and they can be frustrating.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2015 03:41AM by TabWhisperer.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Silvermaster, the video is about setup not about
> results.
>
> And this your comment from above, "You can get
> racer performance from any machine in my opinion".
>
> Again another comment that I see as pure baloney.
>
>
> Get real, I didn't fall off the bread truck
> yesterday or the day before.
>
> I post things here I see in the field with
> detectors. Some good and some bad. I also hope
> some manufacturers are reading some of these post.
> Some I guess would call it bashing, I see it
> different. Look at my thread above talking of
> Minelabs. You see they are pointed out here as
> well, although for a different reason.
>
> I'm sorry I struck a nerve with you. BTW the gent
> doing the V3i video has posted more V3i you tube
> video by himself probably than all others
> combined. At least he took the time and made the
> effort. How about you showing us how simple it is
> to operate/setup with a few videos??
>
> And yes I like the Racer for what it cost. Is
> there a detector out there that does some things
> better?? Yep BTW I can say that about any and
> all detectors. So does this make them all bad???
> Certainly not.
>
> I think folks need to look at your posting
> history.
>
> Seems you like to post mainly in threads/posts
> where I've made comments. I've admitted to
> having only 5 years detecting experience, you say
> you have 30 plus years of detecting experience.
> So why bother with a small fish like me as much as
> you do???? There are many more bigger fish on
> here besides me. Why not educate them on
> detecting with your supposed long distinguished
> detecting career and experience???.

I suggested a theory on operation and the result!
You cannot disprove the results based on facts!
I suggest you spend more time in the field with products!
I don't believe everything on the internet as neither should you.
How about Thinking a little out of the box.
Some experts claim racer upscales targets to get targets into proper ranges for coins but that doesn't explain substantial number of bad targets that get reported as treasure.
If it didn't upscale any but included lower conductors that would explain trash to treasure ratio .
If my idea is correct it could be possible with others detecters and if that's "baloney " as you say then I'll be glad to eat it!

If the Racer is not for you, don't use it. ---Move ON BTW if a person's thought processes are flawed when inside the box, how would they get better "out of the box". That's like saying a person is stupid, then after 3 six packs, they all of a sudden are smarter than sliced bread.

This thread was started by me with a video supporting the post. But somehow you are trying to turn it into a Racer thread.

If you would like to start a thread on the Racer by all means do so.

Silver master Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > [www.youtube.com]
> >
> > I can just see it now. The Etrac/Ctx users are
> > counting/looking at what they dug, while the
> other
> > (you know) just gets started.
>
>
> Obviously a inexperienced novice at the wheel.
> Most people with the skill level to operate the
> V3i have had excellent results especially on
> jewelry and gold.
> It's really simple to set up when you know how.
> Your numerous custom program can be saved and
> switched to at will .
> The V3i is only as complicated as people make it.
>
> Tnss I know you're a racer fan but do you really
> understand how it's platform is different?
> You can get racer performance from any machine in
> my opinion.
>
> Known facts
> High conducting metals are downgraded by
> mineralation
> High conductors are downgraded by colocated
> targets
> Colocated targets on 3D plain are separated by all
> detecters similarly
>
>
> So in theory if you are finding targets with racer
> that are smaller and in iron trash - what does
> that equate to?
> Is racer separating abilities doing something that
> it won't achieve above ground with structured
> tests?
> No it's not -- that's why the treasure to trash
> ratio suks with racer!
>
> Now here's the skinny on racer. And info that will
> allow practically all detecters to achieve racer
> like performance in iron and mineralation.
>
> Most machines use notch discrimination or ability
> to turn off so to speak unwanted VDI or parts of a
> pattern -etrac
>
> How many of you have dug a iffy target that turned
> out to be a surprise- everyone
> What did you do ?You found a target that's
> conductive I'd was being lowered by coloated iron
> or mineralation
> So what if we started digging signals lower than
> what we've been accoustomed without question?
> How many targets in iron would turn out good? Some
> yes
> How many targets in bsd dirt are being left due to
> vdi being brought down?many I think
>
> So much like opening a window in the summer to let
> heat out
> The wider you open it the more air gets in BUT so
> does more bugs!
>
> I'm rambling I know
> I can't test this latest therory about any machine
> picking out more difficult targets because of my
> location but I will in coming weeks.
>
> Take out any machine with a small coil dug all
> targets in notch below where your coins usually
> reside and see if I'm on to something

Silver master, how many hours do you have now, using a racer?

Poor old Albert, he needs to see this thread and maybe 'defend' himself. ( I'm assuming here that the video author is the same as Earthmansurfer Albert on this Forum)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2015 10:23AM by Pimento.

That's him. I assume he was showing the features of the detector. He has other videos where he sweeps targets while changing the settings on his detector. Some of it is informative.

Whites came out with the Eagle II and then the Eagle Spectrum a long time ago. We had menus that seemed to scroll forever. Nothing else like it existed. The operator could change almost every detail on his/her detector. Fast forward 25 years. We found out that by changing all those setting you were pretty much screwing yourself. Now we want the best of the detector at the push of a button. To bad Whites never saw that coming. I wonder what their next flagship will offer. Between them and Garrett a company that doesn't offer a flagship detector anymore and Fisher that wants to play with the kiddie models our choices have moved to foreign lands.

goodmore Wrote:
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> That's him. I assume he was showing the features
> of the detector. He has other videos where he
> sweeps targets while changing the settings on his
> detector. Some of it is informative.
>
> Whites came out with the Eagle II and then the
> Eagle Spectrum a long time ago. We had menus that
> seemed to scroll forever. Nothing else like it
> existed. The operator could change almost every
> detail on his/her detector. Fast forward 25 years.
> We found out that by changing all those setting
> you were pretty much screwing yourself. Now we
> want the best of the detector at the push of a
> button. To bad Whites never saw that coming. I
> wonder what their next flagship will offer.
> Between them and Garrett a company that doesn't
> offer a flagship detector anymore and Fisher that
> wants to play with the kiddie models our choices
> have moved to foreign lands.

You got that right

can't wait to see what the Turkish "Impact" and the Russian STF Intronik are all about in the hopefully the near future here

both look/sound to be very promising machines

and although I'm not a V3i fan - I know it's a good machine for some people.

I sold my v3i because i hated the menu's and all of the settings on the dang thing..i mean for what whites put into that why not make it set itself? I hated that machine.. I thought the vx3 was better due to less settings.. But both eat batteries like skittles so i will pass.. Keep it simple stupid works for me.

For testing and research it seems to me that all this information would be helpful. If the machine was set up as in the video that may be great for that particular area. But what about the park around the block or a different part of the same park. Being able to save your settings may not do you much good.
I think what is important is to be able to show up at the park and detect it before the lookie loos start showing up. A person would want to feel they are getting the best performance out of their machine while doing so. I think that is the trend we are seeing at the end-user side of the market. So I would agree that simple is best if best performance can be achieved.

Well stated Kemper!!!!

Yes I think it is Albert - he does have lots of videos and they are all well done and honest. What you see is what you get. I think this Video does make it seem complicated but what he is trying to show is getting the V3i tuned to max performance. I am pretty sure you can still get good performance out of V3i without going through all of this but if you want it to run its best here may be the way.

Bryanna - Nebraska

Current - New to me but not new MXT Pro and T2 SE2 - Previous Minelab Sovereign GT, Minelab Safari, Whites DFX, Whites Eagle Spectrum
Smile its a good for you!

When I go fishing with my friends I normally catch twice as many fish. They are constantly changing lures. Some get snagged in the trees. Some just sit there drinking adult beverages. Here I am making my one or two lures work for me. Always having it in the water. I wonder why I'm catching fish? ...... Last Friday I was working in a small town. I found an old Football field no longer in use. I had my super complicated etrac with me. Here was my exact set up - I powered the machine on.

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

He's a very methodical person with his detecting videos..... He will pop his head round the corner and no doubt post here soon.... Wish he did more videos.

Kenny lol your funny as heck.. Your settings are alot like mine. Alot of times i dont ground balance just turn on and go.

Ziggy Wrote:
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> He's a very methodical person with his detecting
> videos..... He will pop his head round the corner
> and no doubt post here soon.... Wish he did more
> videos.
There is no doubt he knows his machines well. He's done several etrac vids as well. Maybe I just don't have the mental capacity to properly run a V3i? I do know if you have your V3i set up a little off as shown in the video then your not getting the most out of it. Whites best seller is the MXT/MXTpro series. Not only for it's performance but the simplicity of it's set up.

Kenny
[www.youtube.com]

Each machine to their own. The Racer is a fine machine from what I have read and seen. You turn it on and go. I wouldn't mind trying one out.

Some people like to mess with settings, or be prepared for any situation. The V3i is like the Swiss Army Knife of detectors. You can adjust almost everything. I like it. I don't feel it's too complicated, however, I went for engineering in college, so making adjustments is "fun" to me.

As for the video:

Now, Albert is one of the most dedicated and helpful people that are on these forums. The video posted was an INSTRUCTIONAL video. Made simply to show how to set-up the V3i for best performance for HIM. When I take the V3i to a spot, I turn the unit on, ground balance and go. If I want to make adjustment later on the fly, I can(should everyone do this? NO. Do your own damn thing ).

V3i statements I agree with:

Does it eat batteries? You better believe it does!
Can forgetting what you adjusted screw you up next time you hunt? Absolutely!

V3i statements I don't agree with:

It's too complicated. I feel it's only as complicated as you want it to be.

There seem to be two camps when it comes to detecting:

"FINDS are the most important thing(Nothing like finding a ton of easy silver, right?)."

OR

"The HUNT is the most important thing(Using your machine to find those sneaky, masked finds that everyone missed)."

Then there are some that alternate between these two mindsets.

I feel to bash another machine, OR a forum member publicly is to bash the hobby AND the other members of this forum. Some people have an almost personal connection with their machine and feel, "if a person is bashing the machine I am using, then they are bashing me". If you don't like the V3i or Racer for a certain reason? Post about it, and I'm sure someone will post why that reason is faulty(whether it really is, is a matter for another debate). If you don't like a forum member because they defend their machine OR bash yours? Then PM each other until it is resolved or forever, but, dragging it into the spot light to gain support from other members OR to humiliate someone is just childish and disrespectful.

Bey

Kemper Wrote:
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> "It's really simple to set up when you know
> how."--Silver master Sorta like the shuttle
> flight path.


You ever used one?