GOLD RACER Now Im really STOKED!!!

Ole Keith has probably had one or a prototype of one for a while now

I just wonder if the 56khz will be as good as you all are speculating for iron work. The Minelab Eureka Gold has 60khz and comes standard with the 5x10 size coil. You don't ever hear of anybody using it or even talking about it. Heck, they were giving them away as freebies with the GPX 4800 package just a few months ago. I think if it were good, that someone would have discovered it by now. I could be wrong though.

Nokta Detectors Wrote:
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> Hello and thank you for your comments. The angle
> on the S-rod has been changed and it was tested by
> Keith. He can comment on that. We try our best to
> give our customers what they need but it is
> impossible to accommodate each and every request
> around the world so we focus on what the majority
> needs. Changes that may seem like a simple
> modification from a customer’s point of view may
> actually lead to many other changes with positive
> and negative results in an existing product. We
> never close our ears to our customers. We listen
> and we believe we deserve some credit for what we
> have delivered so far considering the fact that
> not a single change has been made to so many other
> models in this industry for many years regardless
> of endless customer requests. All we can promise
> is that we will keep on listening and we will try
> to give our valued customers what they need versus
> what we want and we apologize for what we
> could/can not deliver. Thank you!

Hello & thank you for the answer. I could understand if you would implement new features, because the majority made a request (like it already happened in the past), but things like a long volume control knob at the back are (in my opinion) fundamental design problems. It is the weakest point of this well made machine. Would I let the end of this detector fall (for whatever reasons), it could break if it hits a rock or something hard (or not work properly). This can also happen during the transport.
I was surprised to see it again, because the issue was so obvious. I know that it is very difficult and often impossible to make changes to an already existing product. That's why I don't have any problems, when you sell the Racer like it is. But we are talking about a new product that "could" have been changed. That is why I'm a little bit disappointed when I see the same design, especially from a dynamic company.

P.S. A shorter (a little bit wider) knob (maybe with some solid rubber on it) would do it probably too, if the position can not be changed. It would at least take a little bit off the pressure from the base. Another "solution" could be a half round plastic protection (below the knob) with enough space (for gloves) that stands out at least as high as the knob.

Thank you for listening.
Have a nice day.



@rustic charm

Hi.

> Makro have proven themselves that
> they do listen to customers but its not feasible
> to impliment changes just because a few dont like
> one of two design aspects - That would be
> corporate suicide

Don't be misleaded by the internet. You are only seeing a few people who are voicing their opinions. The majority of hunters don't have the time for commenting on forums (they are digging targets, as we write our comments ). If a "few people" don't like something so simple like the angle of a handle, I would not ignore it. We are not talking about colors. Ergonomics are a very important factor. It is one of the main reasons, why people like to use a product, or not.

> As for your last statement - "I expect a change"
> Can you tell me any other company in the world
> that would drop what they are doing just to
> address the issues you raised? - I mean honestly,
> (with respect) I think you expect too much -

As I stated above, I don't expect anyone to change a product that has been released. I was expecting a change for future models (based on some constructive input). That's all. And yes, I'm expecting often too much and get disappointed. You are also right. There are many companies that don't care at all, but if someone is listening (like in this case), why not letting them know that something is not working in the field and can be improved...

Have a nice day.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> Ole Keith has probably had one or a prototype of
> one for a while now
>
> I just wonder if the 56khz will be as good as you
> all are speculating for iron work. The Minelab
> Eureka Gold has 60khz and comes standard with the
> 5x10 size coil. You don't ever hear of anybody
> using it or even talking about it. Heck, they were
> giving them away as freebies with the GPX 4800
> package just a few months ago. I think if it were
> good, that someone would have discovered it by
> now. I could be wrong though.

Well the Eureka is very heavy, very overpriced, and not a spectacular performer anyway. Nobody I know uses it. A more comparable machine would be the GMT and you are right, you do not hear of anyone except Rays buddy using them for anything more than prospecting. Hard to say as the Gold Racer has far more discrimination options the other high frequency machine lack, but your caution is warranted. Best to let Keith be the guinea pig on this one.

The nugget guys however will like it, as will micro jewelry hunters.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2015 03:47PM by Steve Herschbach.

x2000 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nokta Detectors Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hello and thank you for your comments. The
> angle
> > on the S-rod has been changed and it was tested
> by
> > Keith. He can comment on that. We try our best
> to
> > give our customers what they need but it is
> > impossible to accommodate each and every
> request
> > around the world so we focus on what the
> majority
> > needs. Changes that may seem like a simple
> > modification from a customer’s point of view
> may
> > actually lead to many other changes with
> positive
> > and negative results in an existing product. We
> > never close our ears to our customers. We
> listen
> > and we believe we deserve some credit for what
> we
> > have delivered so far considering the fact that
> > not a single change has been made to so many
> other
> > models in this industry for many years
> regardless
> > of endless customer requests. All we can
> promise
> > is that we will keep on listening and we will
> try
> > to give our valued customers what they need
> versus
> > what we want and we apologize for what we
> > could/can not deliver. Thank you!
>
> Hello & thank you for the answer. I could
> understand if you would implement new features,
> because the majority made a request (like it
> already happened in the past), but things like a
> long volume control knob at the back are (in my
> opinion) fundamental design problems. It is the
> weakest point of this well made machine. Would I
> let the end of this detector fall (for whatever
> reasons), it could break if it hits a rock or
> something hard (or not work properly). This can
> also happen during the transport.
> I was surprised to see it again, because the issue
> was so obvious. I know that it is very difficult
> and often impossible to make changes to an already
> existing product. That's why I don't have any
> problems, when you sell the Racer like it is. But
> we are talking about a new product that "could"
> have been changed. That is why I'm a little bit
> disappointed when I see the same design,
> especially from a dynamic company.
>
> P.S. A shorter (a little bit wider) knob (maybe
> with some solid rubber on it) would do it probably
> too, if the position can not be changed. It would
> at least take a little bit off the pressure from
> the base. Another "solution" could be a half round
> plastic protection (below the knob) with enough
> space (for gloves) that stands out at least as
> high as the knob.
>
> Thank you for listening.
> Have a nice day.
>
>
> Hello and thank you once again. I will personally bring it up in our meeting and discuss it with my team.

Steve....... isnt it just a renamed 18000? Which in its time was a pretty good gold machine. Its design was unique..... but yes gold specific machines for serious gold hunters really put the hurt on it. ML also came out with the Xterre that didnt help its sell. It may well be another of MLs machine to disappear.

Given higher freqs propensity to slower power drain combined with the regular racer being so efficient I bet you could run that thing forever between battery swaps.

Hey Morgan I dont think they have stopped crawling yet!!

Crazy Fall for sure!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

If its no More than a surgical tool in dense iron Im excited about the future Hunts...

A laser pointer comes to mind right now!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Steve H has a great write up on the new Makro Gold Racer on his site.
[www.detectorprospector.com]
I can't wait to get my hands on one.
Figures detecting season is pretty much over in my parts.
Bryan

This is the kind of gold that the Makro Gold Racer easily hits. These were found in the field under actual hunting conditions running the Gold Racer with stock 10" x 5.5" DD coil. Smallest nuggets unweighable, under 1/10th grain (not gram, 480 grains per ounce) and largest 2.4 grams.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/25/2015 09:45PM by Steve Herschbach.

I Wonder how this machine will it handle iron stone the size of match heads,
Hot rocks and if there is a clear way of identyfing gold nuggets amongst
These 2 mentioned targets.

Steve does the racer gold have a clear zap zap tone on tiny nuggets?

A good coil for highly mineralised soil though would be a 6" elliptical DD.

Just my thoughts.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/27/2015 03:41PM by wolfau.

Steve does the racer gold have a clear zap zap tone on tiny nuggets?

Yup.

Impressive tiny nuggets...... Read your review on the Gold Racer Steve and sounds great, nice review

Looking at the MICRO nuggets, I wonder how it is on mini foil?

Past(or)Tom
Using a Legend, a Deus 2, an Equinox 800, a Tarsacci MDT 8000, & a few others...
with my beloved, fading Corgi, Sadie

Mini Foil?
Probably loves it.
Hunted for micro jewelry one time at a beach with an orig. GoldBug.
After 5 hours of digging tons small foil and not finding any jewelry I have up.
Could have sifted the same area using a sand sifter in a fraction of the time
and came up with the same results and not be bushed.
Gold Racer sounds like an excellent detector for finding those mini nuggets.

DeepTech Vista X with 3 search coils.
Works for me

x2000 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Nokta Detectors Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hello and thank you for your comments. The
> angle
> > on the S-rod has been changed and it was tested
> by
> > Keith. He can comment on that. We try our best
> to
> > give our customers what they need but it is
> > impossible to accommodate each and every
> request
> > around the world so we focus on what the
> majority
> > needs. Changes that may seem like a simple
> > modification from a customer’s point of view
> may
> > actually lead to many other changes with
> positive
> > and negative results in an existing product. We
> > never close our ears to our customers. We
> listen
> > and we believe we deserve some credit for what
> we
> > have delivered so far considering the fact that
> > not a single change has been made to so many
> other
> > models in this industry for many years
> regardless
> > of endless customer requests. All we can
> promise
> > is that we will keep on listening and we will
> try
> > to give our valued customers what they need
> versus
> > what we want and we apologize for what we
> > could/can not deliver. Thank you!
>
> Hello & thank you for the answer. I could
> understand if you would implement new features,
> because the majority made a request (like it
> already happened in the past), but things like a
> long volume control knob at the back are (in my
> opinion) fundamental design problems. It is the
> weakest point of this well made machine. Would I
> let the end of this detector fall (for whatever
> reasons), it could break if it hits a rock or
> something hard (or not work properly). This can
> also happen during the transport.
> I was surprised to see it again, because the issue
> was so obvious. I know that it is very difficult
> and often impossible to make changes to an already
> existing product. That's why I don't have any
> problems, when you sell the Racer like it is. But
> we are talking about a new product that "could"
> have been changed. That is why I'm a little bit
> disappointed when I see the same design,
> especially from a dynamic company.
>
> P.S. A shorter (a little bit wider) knob (maybe
> with some solid rubber on it) would do it probably
> too, if the position can not be changed. It would
> at least take a little bit off the pressure from
> the base. Another "solution" could be a half round
> plastic protection (below the knob) with enough
> space (for gloves) that stands out at least as
> high as the knob.
>
> Thank you for listening.
> Have a nice day.
>
>
>
> @rustic charm
>
> Hi.
>
> > Makro have proven themselves that
> > they do listen to customers but its not
> feasible
> > to impliment changes just because a few dont
> like
> > one of two design aspects - That would be
> > corporate suicide
>
> Don't be misleaded by the internet. You are only
> seeing a few people who are voicing their
> opinions. The majority of hunters don't have the
> time for commenting on forums (they are digging
> targets, as we write our comments ). If a "few
> people" don't like something so simple like the
> angle of a handle, I would not ignore it. We are
> not talking about colors. Ergonomics are a very
> important factor. It is one of the main reasons,
> why people like to use a product, or not.
>
> > As for your last statement - "I expect a change"
>
> > Can you tell me any other company in the world
> > that would drop what they are doing just to
> > address the issues you raised? - I mean
> honestly,
> > (with respect) I think you expect too much -
>
> As I stated above, I don't expect anyone to change
> a product that has been released. I was expecting
> a change for future models (based on some
> constructive input). That's all. And yes, I'm
> expecting often too much and get disappointed. You
> are also right. There are many companies that
> don't care at all, but if someone is listening
> (like in this case), why not letting them know
> that something is not working in the field and can
> be improved...
>
> Have a nice day.

No disrespect intended, however I stand by what I have said - Nokta have shown the industry that not only do they and Makro make quality products but they impliment changes quickly when needed. They are also very efficiant in passing on NEW information or correcting mis-information regarding their products and when you compare that to the BIG players in the industry they are showing them how its done. This then makes them number one in my book by a country mile. What I would hate them to do is to try to bend over backwards for everyones expectations as people would expect more and more from them everytime they thought their individual idea's were important -

Isnt it a shame other manufacturers are not doing the same?

I am having a nice day - thank you

Hate to be a buzz kill but to much going on in the region for me.
Turkey is going to be more involved whether they want to or not.
I hate it but Syria and Iran combined with the New USSR and issis will
lay waste to civilization.

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.

Nice gold Steve!!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

supertraq Wrote:
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> Hate to be a buzz kill but to much going on in the
> region for me.
> Turkey is going to be more involved whether they
> want to or not.
> I hate it but Syria and Iran combined with the New
> USSR and issis will
> lay waste to civilization.

No disrespect intended mate but you have to release that this site is frequented by many people from all around the world - the last thing we need is to listen to one view of who is right and who is wrong - that in itself is an individual decision which may differ from yours, mine or theirs -

I myself come to here to get away from all the propaganda and learn from the true wise men leading our industry

I do hope and prey that we are all safe now and in the future......... Stay safe supertrack >respect<

Steve Herschbach Wrote:
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> This is the kind of gold that the Makro Gold Racer
> easily hits. These were found in the field under
> actual hunting conditions running the Gold Racer
> with stock 10" x 5.5" DD coil. Smallest nuggets
> unweighable, under 1/10th grain (not gram, 480
> grains per ounce) and largest 2.4 grams.
>
> [www.detectorprospector.com]
> nthly_11_2015/post-1-0-45138700-1448415435.jpg

Steve, did you actually find these nuggets in the field with the Gold Racer?
Or are these planted or personal nuggets that the Gold Racer can detect?
Thanks

rustic charm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> supertraq Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hate to be a buzz kill but to much going on in
> the
> > region for me.
> > Turkey is going to be more involved whether
> they
> > want to or not.
> > I hate it but Syria and Iran combined with the
> New
> > USSR and issis will
> > lay waste to civilization.
>
> No disrespect intended mate but you have to
> release that this site is frequented by many
> people from all around the world - the last thing
> we need is to listen to one view of who is right
> and who is wrong - that in itself is an individual
> decision which may differ from yours, mine or
> theirs -
>
> I myself come to here to get away from all the
> propaganda and learn from the true wise men
> leading our industry
>
> I do hope and prey that we are all safe now and in
> the future......... Stay safe supertrack
> >respect<

What? Propaganda in what way? I'm not imposing my "view" on you,its a fact not view bud.
Who's right and who's wrong? What? Never brought anything like that up. Did you even read and comprehend what I wrote?
I hate to see what's happening to the people there,period.
Your way off base on this,but I Hope God blesses the good people in the region and curses the evil.
God bless.

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2015 06:03PM by supertraq.

> Steve, did you actually find these nuggets in the
> field with the Gold Racer?
> Or are these planted or personal nuggets that the
> Gold Racer can detect?
> Thanks

They are actual finds in the field. Not much but enough for me to know what I can do with the machine.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2015 06:50AM by Steve Herschbach.