Dangerous Times

TerraDigger Wrote:
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> Feel free to boycott General Electric (GE)
> products. They are completely moving their medical
> x-ray equipment mfg from Wisconsin to China. Plus
> they are investing 2 billion dollars in building
> the chinese mfg facilities. What's the
> matter.....the U.S. not good enough for them. The
> U.S. citizens & gov't made them rich......this is
> how G.E. repays us. Does the F word fit GE. You
> bet it does!!!!!
> Oh......and the current G.E. CEO is a real good
> buddy (supporter) of Obama.
> I think the day is coming.....when it gets real
> bad....and it will........the citizens are going
> to demand that U.S. companies that do their mfg
> outside the U.S. will no longer be allowed to
> operate as U.S. corporations....they will either
> have to bring mfg home......or register as a
> foreign corporations.


incredible trade imbalance! it is ''destroying" our economy from within!.
our ONLY hope is that the chinese will get the 'quality" bug,and eventually produce
better quality goods.they own us ,and it is embarrassing!..(w.t.f!) corporations have "boosted" us to the curb in the name of the almighty buck!
we'll all be speaking "mandarin" inside of 10 years!..just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Id say the immigration laws will soon have changes. Why should china change its quality.... i mean lead paint for kids toys, bad grain, fake coins and goods.... we complain, but we buy them. Reminds you a lot of when Japan was flooding us.... look what happened then... they soon owned our steel companies, high rises and set some really crappy goods.... that we bough. Talk about single currency for the world.... id say China is about to control all the markets and what they do. That spells big trouble for anyone connected to the U.S.. The old term..... took a nation without firing a shot comes to mind. It would be bad bad bad should we have to protect our and other nations interests. The U.S. really needs to wake up are way of life is moving in another direction.... get away from the TVs, cell phones, and games long enough to understand if we dont pull in the bleeding of jobs we are going to see a depression beyond belief. This nation is unable to sustain a constant war and selling off assets without benefiting Chinas goals do we really believe once the USSR broke up we won the war again communism? People need to start cutting back until business understands you cant sell us products without us having jobs to buy them. Also i made my money overseas without being taxed needs a closer review. I knew a lot of retired soldiers who started working for sub contractors making thousands of dollars virtually tax free.

Dew

The main problem I see is our govt has gained so much power...even to control businesses.
Think about it, why should any corp. want to have a manufacture plant here in the States when they can put it outside the borders with no govt intervention.
They have to pay taxes, social security and benefits to workers plus meet ethnic quotos.
Then they have to keep within EPA and Osha guidelines.
All that is fine and good as long as companies can still be competitive globally, which at the present time is close to impossible.
In the minds of politicians long ago, evidently they decided that wasn't important.
This has fairly much impacted all sectors of manufacture, it started out with textile but has rapidly expanded to include a lot more today.

But back to Tom's point about seizing of gold.....if our creditors decide we have to pay off, then some strange things will start to happen.....
...................If hyper-inflation doesn't take us out before then......
Our Country should have 2 main objectives right now
Keep manufacturing here and create an oil supply policy...if we don't, we will not like what the future will be.

You left out a big factor there.... unions as well. I guess its cheaper for the companies to pay all those foreign bribes.... ops i mean pay outs than live with government rules to protect the workers. I believe we have an oil supply.... but our greed for profits by using others oil first and letting them keep those prices up so they dont get the finger pointed at them is killing us. I see a big blame game coming during the next election. We are a young nation who refuses to review our history and constantly repeats our mistakes. The young Tea Party concerns me... they seem to be looking to grab some recognition and power by refusing to see the problems this is going to have.... either that or they are just plain stupid. For us retirees ... you dont know rather you should remove your investments or that you can even count on social security as promised.

Dew

Whether or not you like the guy, Kucinich has a pretty simple, albeit too logical method of getting the country out of debt. And he says it all in about a minute.

Washington D.C. (July 28, 2011) -- Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today went to the House floor to outline the simple steps to avoid default and to take America out of debt.

[www.youtube.com]

There you have it. Now let's get the pussheads in Washington to act on it!!!

"Happy hunting" - Schultzie

dewcon4414 Wrote:
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> You left out a big factor there.... unions as
> well. I guess its cheaper for the companies to
> pay all those foreign bribes.... ops i mean pay
> outs than live with government rules to protect
> the workers. I believe we have an oil supply....
> but our greed for profits by using others oil
> first and letting them keep those prices up so
> they dont get the finger pointed at them is
> killing us. I see a big blame game coming during
> the next election. We are a young nation who
> refuses to review our history and constantly
> repeats our mistakes. The young Tea Party
> concerns me... they seem to be looking to grab
> some recognition and power by refusing to see the
> problems this is going to have.... either that or
> they are just plain stupid. For us retirees ...
> you dont know rather you should remove your
> investments or that you can even count on social
> security as promised.
>
> Dew


of one thing you can be certain!.if we leave the present administration in there
we are all f**ked!..just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

We are evolving to the point that it will not matter who's in office,
The policies and direction and attitudes of the govt cannot be sustained indefinitely.
Time is getting short and they need to turnaround and go in the other direction.

Dew, notice I said "oil supply policy" and not just oil supply.
I am well aware that we have plenty of oil.....
Seems like I read that China is drilling in the Atlantic...somewhere of the US coasts.
Wonder if Obama gave them permission to drill there?

Not gonna get to far into politics here as its primarily a recreational site for me, but a lot of people here may benefit by getting their news from more than one source. As the last remaining independent (it sure feels that way anyways!), Our problems extend way out beyond party lines.
China drilling off our coast? Please give a citation. I'd never heard that and would be interested to see a credible news source on that story
Unions and EPA laws responsible for our current crisis? No, not even close.

The previous administration did far more to increase debt and the size of Gov't than the current one. Why wasn't anyone paying attention then?
The administration before that passed NAFTA and granted China (a communist gov't---and our idealogical enemy for over a half century) Most Favored Nation trading status. Why wasn't anyone paying attention?

Sorry Conservatives but totally deregulating the free market and giving corporations free reign to do as they please is just as risky as (gasp!) socialism.
Sorry Liberals, not everyone deserves 2 cars and a big screen tv. A sucessful person and job creator should not have to give their hard earned wealth to those that do not desire to contribute to society. We have to get back to America being made of innovators and self-reliant--instead of entitled and "offended" at everything.

We need to vote a lot of people out--I dont care what party. We are all guilty of forgetting and voting the same people in. Those that remain in Gov't may finally listen to the voice of the people instead of constant manuevering and posturing for re-election.
We need campain reform--No campaign contributions--All candidates should draw from a federally funded pool come re-election time. --I'd gladly pay a higher tax for that---! Too many of our politicians are in someone else's pocket.
Maybe a third party? Neither one has served us well for the past 30 years.

I paid attention.........emailed the White House.........spoke vociferously on the items you mention in all the administrations............lot of good it did......real simple.........government/corporate america...... are now a self serving entity unto itself........and the citizens be damned.

BPA (Bachelors Degree Public Administration)



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Agree with everything that Ferrous Bueller says. I also feel that people need to get their information from different sources and don't jump on the propaganda bandwagon of Fox News or MSNBC. As for me, I am completely burned out with regard to politics as it's all a bit much for me to handle watching my country fight and crumple economically while those in power trot the party line. As Tom would say it, a paradigm shift is needed.

Ferrous B, did you just drop in here out of the sky or what?
Do a search with my user name, you will see I have had plenty to say of previous administrations.
From now on make sure you know who is who before you dive into ignorance.
As far as me needing to give citation...notice I stated "seems like I read".
If you are taking up for Obama, you are going to have a full time job.
You really need to read all the previous posts here before replying.

I'm glad to see that I'm in good company! Seems we're all (mostly) on the same page! YES, DO NOT sell your Silver Finds & YES look for those Gold rings! The "Dollar" will soon be green toilet paper. (Replaced with something else for sure. ONE World currency?) BUY and HOLD PHYSICAL SILVER!!!

Been swingin' a White's since the 70's - 5 machines, Currently an XLT & Fisher F75 LE - 50,000 finds, 30,000 (or so) keepers. Published in the White's catalog. Always looking for good/decent hunting buds! Get in touch!

"The previous administration did far more to increase debt and the size of Gov't than the current one"

You may want to fact check that one.

Here ya go:

I like this site for what it is and the people on here. I'd much rather have a beer with you all and talk detecting or fishing. I'm new here, (but been lurking for a while) and dont want any discussion to create or harbor any resentment, anxiety, or gnashing of teeth. I can get all that from my wife anyways

I'm not going to contribute (or instigate whatever anyone's opinion is) to this thread anymore. I want to reiterate that both parties are not looking out for our best interests. Partisan politics and political posturing is dividing this country. I felt I was clearly critical of the past 2 administrations. The current one is no better.
MSNBC or FOX, doesnt matter, what does matter is critical thinking, open mindedness, and getting information from as many sources as possible. I think we can all agree we want a better future for our kids and grandkids, just like our parents and grandparents wanted for us.

i'm saddened by the loss of "respect" from other countries,
and embarrassed by the fact that ''china"practically owns us now!
the 'finger pointing! the lying and denying from both sides of the aisle.
as a taxpayer,and proud citizen,i am in "denial", because it is difficult to comprehend that we are in
this "bind" to begin with! (w.t.f!) what ever happened to "we the people?' what about us?
it's very disconcerting to have to admit that i feel like i have been "kicked to the curb!" so to speak!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Nice graph...ughhh...it turns my stomach anytime someone takes up for Obama.
6 posts..so far not impressed......could be a long road to redemption......

Facts always speak for themselfs, like em or not.

Yeah they do, we'll see how many "followers" he has when it is all said and done.
Is he still blocking oil ventures?
He has been pushing higher energy costs since taking office.
Since food and everything else is trucked in, watch for higer prices on everything you buy.
Soooo keep supporting him if you want to.

he's (D.O.A.) what is scary is the "other" side
of the street is lacking as well!.i guess this is what it means when
it's said ,you have to pick the lessor of the two evils!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

DOA? Hardly... Let's look at the 'other' frontrunners based on current polls:

Romney: The father of Obamacare, a Mormon and a Centrist. That's three strikes.
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Bachmann: A Tea Partier that passes their litmus test. We see where the 'no compromise' mantra gets us. She'll get little of the Independent vote.
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Palin: Good for Comedy Central, bad for the country. At least she's smart enough not to run.
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Cain: Way behind and needs to makeup lost ground from that last dismal debate. Plus, he's ...
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Pawlenty: Taken to the mat in the last GOP debate by the Moderator! (Clue: the questions get tougher)
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Perry: Defund the Department of Education? Hosting a prayer rally for rain? Supports Texas seceding from the Union? Let's just say I won't be canvassing for Rick in my neighborhood next October.

There doesn't appear to be a strong runner from the other side.
I hate to say it but without competition, many will vote for him again.

As far as respect from other countries.... well they love taking pictures with you until things start tipping the wrong way. Once they think you have nothing to offer and arent the big dog.... funny how your friends dont NEED you any longer. For me the word OBUMMER comes to mind for a repeat. I hate leaders that never lead until the N hour and that come out of the wood work. Its shameful that those Congressmen with years and years in office never run. To me that tells you there is too much in the closet they dont want to come out. I think a good military term comes to mine LEAD OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. I remember when the FBI went to Alabama and made sure the voteing system worked correctly.... ever wonder if your vote really counts? Now that it seems OBUMMER got his one and a half times increase in the debt ceiling..... i guess the republicans have someone to blame for higher taxes. Im not opposed to paying more taxes..... im opposed to spending more and not reducing less. I know from my experience in the military every year just before budget time..... spend every dime guys on what ever... just spend it so we can ask for more. Heaven forbid you get less next year because you just really dont need it.

Dew

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That chart is waaaaaaay off.

Rather eye-opening.

......In the youtube clip............who's the guy in the background that is sleeping (next to the pretty girl)?

One of the guys who orchestrated the "realignment" of the GM bondholders....

Before TARP.

You can look up that kid's salary here:

[www.legistorm.com]

Most Congressional House Staffers I have had dealings with are in their 20s. Senate Staffers tend to be a bit more senior, 30s+. Committee staffers run the gamut in age. Typically they are hired because they just got a 4 year degree in Political Science, Journalism, History etc. and have found a tough time (really?) getting work. Oh...usually Mommy or Daddy has been a campaign contributor as well and so a favor is "owed" and they are hired. So after a few years experience they try and move up the DC power ladder....staff to a more powerful Congressman, a more powerful Committee and then when the tide turns (boss or party loses election) they enter the private sector with a black book of names and numbers to call and "get things done". This is how you get things done...hire those who know the right people and get it done! Let me be clear about this......STAFFERS make the opinions, make the decisions, make the choices...make the DEALS. The Congressmen have zero time to study anything in depth and their opinion is based on the work of a staffer and the staffer's recommendation. That's why you always see the Congressmen surrounded by 20-something year olds with iPhone and note pad...........like small puppies keeping up with the big dog. And that my friends is how Congress really works.

Oh...and next time you call or write Congress (as the President asked you to do) about an issue that really matters to you...........you can be sure that the 22 year old taking your call is VERY concerned about what your feelings are. "Thank you for calling...I will be sure that Congressman Joe Blow gets your message". .......oh...and I have some very dry land to sell to you here in Florida.

Painfully interesting!

Does anyone want to talk campaign finance?How much debt could we wipe out with those assets?What about that ex-representative who took nude pics of himself,gets to keep his funds?What was his name schnitzel or something?