How about a wired version of the XP Deus

I have been wanting to try the Deus but the expense does not seem worth it to me.

A regular cabled version of this detector with a centrally located battery compartment and hardwired control display, a headphone jack and coils with a regular cable connection would make this detector far more reasonably priced.

While all the wireless features might be a selling point to some, to me it’s all tech fluff (porn for nerds). It doesn’t enhance the detectors performance at all (probably hinders it a little) and probably adds an additional $500.00 to the cost.

Not a lot of coils available and the one that are, are way to expensive. If you have extra coils for this like I do for others detectors, then you have to keep them charged even when you don’t use them to keep the rechargeable batteries in good shape.

Eventually I would think the rechargeable batteries would need to be replaced when they no longer hold a good charge. Are they user replaceable? Or do you have to send it back to a service center?

All that extra expense put into the coil for the battery, charging port and wireless components just to do what a simple cable can do better for less cost seems dumb to me.

Most people that I see hunting with them keep the remote display mounted on the rod anyways, so that really doesn’t need to be wireless.

The headphones seem to be the only wireless component that I can understand people wanting but that could still be an option along with a regular headphone jack like on the CTX

I am not bashing the Deus in anyway performance wise. It really seems like a great detector with a lot of unnecessary expense built into it.

HH
John

John,

The batteries seem to be very dependable and have a long service life

The batteries in headphone module and control can be purchased and is DIY if one chooses

The coil--- there were kits available at one time for a DIY, I''m not sure they are still avaiable
But changing the coil battery is more dificult and takes more time-- and the coil has to be resealed for water intrusion.
There are videos showing the process and what"s involved.
The service center will put new batteries in all components if one wishes

The detector is light and partly due to the wireless control to coil aspect

The price
Used units usually can be had for 900-1100 dollars

And many have quite a bit of warranty left on them.

There was a transition period where Xp changed the warranty period from 3 to 5 years, so if one is buying used be advised not all units were covered with 5 year warranty.

This detector,, say if a person bought a used one for say $1,000 with 4 years warranty left.

What does this mean long term expense wise.

The detector when purchased new comes with a 5 year warranty currently
The batteries are covered though by exception for I think 2 or 3 years

So let's say you use use your unit and the warranty has expired and you for example develop a coil problem.

I guess a person could send it in and get repaired.
But what if the repair estimate was say $300.

Would it be smarter to just buy a new coil for approx $500
And this new coil would come with a brand new 5 year warranty

If you had the coil repaired for say $300, remember really no additional warranty.

I will say this very subject came on concerning Minelab detectors and a person stated they had talked with Minelab and if they repair a detector out of warranty it comes with 6 months warranty. I'm unsure of Xp's policy here.

Back to the example above-- another option you would have is to buy a used coil, and maybe purchase a used coil with some significant warranty left.

This detector being broke out into its separate components does have its advantages
And a person could also have a bud with a Deus -- using their machine actually troubleshoot down to the component
But should say the between the headphone module and control many times a person should be able to troubleshoot down to the component level.

Deus lite
You will see
Deus lite models advertised
There are Deus units without the control head-- just the rod, coil, and headphones.
This system is useable, but limited in some settings adjustments
But if a person with such a setup can meet up with a Deus owner of a control head your very own coil can be programmed using their control

Another more economical and in fact better way to go on this is
Get the unit without headphones -- just the rod, coil, and control and use your own headphones by plugging Into the remote

Down the road of an owner decides to sell
The Deus because of its wireless engineering- separate components can indeed be parted out and sold if necessary to maybe recoup more of your initial investment.

The unit is updatable via usb on computer

I have 2 completed units -- one with a 9" coil, the other with an 11" coil
I love the detectors



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 01:15AM by tnsharpshooter.

If I'm not mistaken it does have a jack built into the remote. I love the set up, it works great and I don't think I'll ever go back to wires especially the phonez. I love being able to set my detector down without wired headphones restricting my movements. Same with the coil no wrapping the cable around the shaft etc yes its expensive but I'm sure you've heard the saying

Thanks guys.

I hear what you're saying but is having a coil cable wrapped around the rod that much of an inconvenience? It never has come into play with any machine that I have used. For the amount of times you change coils and the time it takes, especially if you just get an extra lower rod seems negligible.

As far as the weight is concerned, I'll bet the battery pack with the charging port and wireless components in the coil and the remote display negate any weight savings from just a cord and add a ton of cost.

Is the headphone jack in the control module and 1/8" jack rather than a 1/4". I like using full sized headphone myself, although I know you can get an adapter for that.

It seems a regular wired version of this detector could retain all the performance features of this detector and put it into alot more hands at say $1000 and not to mention bringing the price of extra coils down to the $150 range where most other coils are priced at.

HH
John



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 01:42AM by DirtyJohn.

The closet thing to what you are asking is a Xp's Goldmaxx
But it is meterless-- does have a 3 tone feature though.

One sold here a little while back very reasonable

But it is heavier than Deus.

Btw this Goldmaxx power detector is not available here in the USA from a dealer-- some units have come into the country though
Reason not available here is something to do with freq--- FCC thing


[www.xpmetaldetectors.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 01:52AM by tnsharpshooter.

I was a bit strapped for cash this December so I purchased a Deus with wired headphones. It really helped. It's a decision that I was glad that I made. The reactivity (speed) of the Deus is adjustable and is very fast. A cable from coil to control box would likely slow things down and attract unwanted EMI issues. But......I am not a scientist...or an engineer, so I cannot back up what I just said with facts. But my Deus sure is fast in the thick bed of square nails. And I contiune to be impressed by a 9 inch coil that can do so much. Just my own opinion. I'm not a Deus fanboy. But I still like what works. Good luck on your decision and happy detecting whatever you decide. I like my Racer too.

Kevin B Wrote:
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> I was a bit strapped for cash this December so I
> purchased a Deus with wired headphones. It really
> helped. It's a decision that I was glad that I
> made. The reactivity (speed) of the Deus is
> adjustable and is very fast. A cable from coil to
> control box would likely slow things down and
> attract unwanted EMI issues. But......I am not a
> scientist...or an engineer, so I cannot back up
> what I just said with facts. But my Deus sure is
> fast in the thick bed of square nails. And I
> contiune to be impressed by a 9 inch coil that can
> do so much. Just my own opinion. I'm not a Deus
> fanboy. But I still like what works. Good luck on
> your decision and happy detecting whatever you
> decide. I like my Racer too.

I am not a scientist or engineer either but I would think information travels much faster through a wire than through the air (wifi as an example as opposed to a direct internet connection through an ethernet cable) and I would think a shielded cable would negate EMI better than a wireless signal. Not sure though.

JJ
John

Get the Goldmaxx Power... not goldmaxx standard..

Also makes sure the GMP has the 4.0 chip..


Its a tad bit stronger than the DEUS I feel as its coil seems more TUNED to the 18Khz freq..And seems to be slightly more powerful in depth in good dirt especially..

I feel the 3.2 on the GMP program sees in and aroudn irona tad better than the standalone GMP unit.. but its really splitting hairs between them..


If you want DEUS performance.. and plan on using the 18khz most of the time dont hesitate to get a GMP4.0...

The strong point of the DEUS is iron site unlocking and the GMP 4.0 does that with the same Gusto as a DEUS..Again hair splitting and if yu did not ha=ve them both you would never know the slight differences..

If money is an issue find your self a Deeptech Vista Gold (DTVG),,very very good unit for the money...and also right there with the XPs in iron..Some days the audio of the DTVG is soothing to the ear as its more pure analog compared to a GMP Or DEUS.. but yet same Unlocking abilities.. slightly less depth but again if you dont have one to comapre to the other youll never know..


Were not using these unit for raw depth were using them to unlock iron.. they do this very well..


All these unlock with stock coils extremely well by the way..

Another option is a Racer or CoRe with OOR 5 coil if tight iron is your thing ...Stock coil cant compete with afore mentioned machines with stock coil though in unlocking..

I may also say the Fors Gold Plus... (FG+) with 5x10's of DD and C. is extremely sleuthy in iron its on 19Khz and its right there with a DTVG in iron..


SO as you can see there's some options..

The FG+ is one machine that just makes me smile while I run it ...metered for the rare occasion you may need it,,,rugged,,,Hot Freq, adapted to tight site work,,good coil choices ,,Bleedy blendy audio,,and it puts goods in the pouch and aint that what its all about..I like to say its a F19 on steroids..best digital audio that mimics analog of them bunch in my opinion..

The top two are the apex... the others are very very iron site adaptable also that Ive mentioned..All of them are Site unlockers ..anyone will out hunt the other especially the DEUS/GMP/FG+/DTVG/ buy user skill level of unit in hand at the moment..a guy in the zone with a DTVG will get some more than the Guy not quite in the zone with a DEUS..

All my opinion.. and you know what they say about opinions..LOL!!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

You've likely been detecting for far longer than I have....it's still a mystery to me exactly how all of this stuff works. LOL Still, I wish you well and hope that you can find a unit that you like. A wired Deus might very well be a good idea and one that XP should look into. It's difficult to dish out $1000 for a detector, especially in times like these. And yet, I feel that we should be able to have an option to buy good units at reasonable prices. Keith Southern gives alot of good units as examples of mid-priced and good units in iron-y areas. Very best wishes.....kevin. DirtyJohn Wrote:
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> Kevin B Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I was a bit strapped for cash this December so
> I
> > purchased a Deus with wired headphones. It
> really
> > helped. It's a decision that I was glad that I
> > made. The reactivity (speed) of the Deus is
> > adjustable and is very fast. A cable from coil
> to
> > control box would likely slow things down and
> > attract unwanted EMI issues. But......I am not
> a
> > scientist...or an engineer, so I cannot back up
> > what I just said with facts. But my Deus sure
> is
> > fast in the thick bed of square nails. And I
> > contiune to be impressed by a 9 inch coil that
> can
> > do so much. Just my own opinion. I'm not a
> Deus
> > fanboy. But I still like what works. Good luck
> on
> > your decision and happy detecting whatever you
> > decide. I like my Racer too.
>
> I am not a scientist or engineer either but I
> would think information travels much faster
> through a wire than through the air (wifi as an
> example as opposed to a direct internet connection
> through an ethernet cable) and I would think a
> shielded cable would negate EMI better than a
> wireless signal. Not sure though.
>
> JJ
> John

Yes I've often asked this same question as to why this DEUS is wireless..

But it is and I feel it wont change..

So we work with what we have...

But there still is the option of the GMP 4.0 and even for lower freq work the Gmaxx 2..

But if you buy the a GMP and a Gmaxx2 then you would probably just as well buy the DEUS at that point..

Also remember non of the other XPs will have a warranty,, other than the DEUS..

even if bought new the U.S. is not an authorized sales area so warranty would probably be null..

I believe the DEUS is the only product that XP builds that 's certified EXPORT..And especially to the U.S. the products they sell use the wrong Freq for one thing in the wirless headphones..There on ,If I can remember Garage door freq here in the states...LOL...in Europe that freq is ok ...Even the earlier models had a way to add a wireless option so they are not approved either..

(((((If you buy used sort of a moot point I guess as you know the risk if it tears up...If it tears up just ship it back and pay for it ..The XPs are pretty sturdy though... although if its been hip mounted alot the coil cable connectors are prone to failure from flexing..On the solder side of the circuit board I hear..not on the cable itself..Headphone jacks get out of contact Too I hear and can lead to no speaker sound..HMMM if they made the coil wireless and the headphones wireless that would eliminate that...LOL...Just kidding but I think we can see where Alain is going with his thought process..Although I like hardwired myself..)))))



I guess then there aim was the European ancient site scene...Now they can aim at the U.S... And also do it in a module style...Im sure to say have there Big Box units be waranted Worldwide would of been costly with no repair center outside of France...But the DEUS is pretty much im sure a simple way to do worldwide warranty..control box tears up stick in new board toss the old one..coil tears up open it up and replace chip toss old one..or replace battery..The Newest DEUS coils are repair friendly I understand..

Whole lot easier to just plug and play than have to have test equipment and trained techs to open the big box units up and trace out to say a bad resistor or capacitor and the such like most manufacturers do on their units..

plus shipping is lighter and more compact..

I have read that Alain had the idea of a Wireless unit a long time ago so hes probably thought out all the benefits and restraints of the Wireless system..Guess the wireless won out ..

And I too thought to myself how could a 3 foot cord attenuate a signal less then than Wireless...seems the wired would flow faster...Yet Ive read the Wireless is the fastet mode ..???

I'm sure its digital transmission from coil to headphone.control box...

I know Mienlab is using Digital data link on the Xterra.. V-Flex they call it ..allthough it is wired its in bit data..And it too is less noisy or emi prone to say some of their older units and their claim was the digital feed can reduce NOISE...So maybe digital data feed can be used to reduce spurious noise...



Sort of sad in a way is it not..?

When they build a unit that is certified for U.S. use they stick a meter on it and add notching...say's alot about the American detector market focus...

Company's wanting to get into the U.S. scene want to have all the goodies on the unit's..

Probably why tesoro does so well overseas...no non sense just get it done..

We American's are a Spoiled bunch..LOL..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Quote:"I know Minelab is using Digital data link on the Xterra.. V-Flex they call it ..allthough it is wired its in bit data..And it too is less noisy or emi prone to say some of their older units and their claim was the digital feed can reduce NOISE."
No....the Vflex thing is just a microprocessor in the coil that communicates simple data like coil operating frequency, security/anti-copying data. The true coil signal is sent analogue. It's amplified first, then sent up the cable, just like many of their other machines.

I don't think a wired-coil would be much simpler/cheaper. And this will be why Alain decided to go wireless. There would still be electronics in the coil: a pre-amplifier; relays etc for switching the coil operating frequency, some simple computer to control this, etc.

The detector transmit/receive circuitry is housed in the coil as well as the controller transmit/receive circuitry(to communicate with the control module or the headphones, or both at once). All of this is digital signal transmission and there are many positive attributes to wireless digital transmission.

I have the Deus with the 9 inch coil and WS5 full headphones. To me the Deus fits well in my arsenal of detecting tools. Very light weight, exceptional recovery time from target to target and the coil,controller,headphone batteries last me on an all day(8hr plus) outing.I couldn't ask for anything better. A real plus is that I have no shoulder or arm fatigue from swinging all day. Removing the coil battery and making that a wired coil most likely would increase the weight of the coil comparitively speaking. Not sure the impact of digital signal transmission through a cable but there would be incurred loss that would have to be accounted for. You also would then have to power the coil and/or build detection circuitry into a newly designed controller with a larger battery to power everything.

If someone feels the Deus is too expensive the best option might be to purchase one of the models that Keith recommended or buy a used Deus as tnsharpshooter mentioned. The wireless capability, 5 year detector warranty, adjustability of tones in "bins", iron handling and excellent US service center sold me.

Happy detecting, God Bless, Jack(aka corvair)

The Deus is what it is.

Yes it's wireless and not the cheapest detector out there.

The designers and engineers deserve credit no doubt.

This being able to be updated is strong attribute.

Xp seems to have the service aspect down here in the USA.

I see some folks who evidently don't like the fact the Deus is wireless between coil and control head.

But when they are testing head to head with a new release--- what do they reach for???

Really is the Deus that expensive--- well it cheaper than a CTX, on par with Etrac, and White's V3i

And in the electronics world --- isn't smaller supposed to be more expensive usually

The rod on Deus being collapsible is definitely super handy--- for transport in auto, recreation vehicle , even back packers

A person does when they buy--- since the components have their own batteries
A person shouldn't be buying any batteries for a while-- unlike other detectors that use AA style

This 5 year warranty speak volumes ( transferable btw) showing they are willing to stand define their product
This was a very smart move on Xp's part

Which leads me to the following.
Yes even on this forum there are all types of detectorists, some with little experience, some with much more
And some with many detectrors, some with only one detector.

But most folks who complain about the Deus and its wireless configuration--- tends to be the folks with many detectors

But what about a 1 detector setup??
Isn't this really moreso the norm out in the detecting public??
And do these solo detector owners/operators,,,,,,Does their opinion even matter as much??
It certainly does to me--- and I definitely have more than1 detector.

A person wanting to go Deus--- you have options to save a few bucks

I really think longer term, Deus better investment than most other detectors

I'm almost certain used Deus units will be in a holding pattern of sorts--- folks want to see/ use the new version 4 update even if they opt not to buy the new coil that is coming.

If anyone here interested in a Deus or just wanted to try one one out-- if you lived close to me I'd be more than glad to let you give any of my units a go.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 03:44PM by tnsharpshooter.

on a long wooden stem you can really whip it around and cover some ground .something a wired machine cant do , 6 foot stem ...

XP GMP's / GMAXX's have an excessively long coil cable, you could probably do pretty close to that if you used the forwards-mounting bracket. So lesser XP machines like the ADX/Adventis series may also work, and I suspect other chest-mountable machines may also be capable of this.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 04:36PM by Pimento.

The deus is what it is..I don't like when a company makes a lower version of their flagship..Deus make what it makes and they cost money and if they make a new machine I think it will be even cooler. Let fisher and others have their low end line not everyone can afford a deus it took me two years to save for one but if you are a hard core hunter the upper detectors do their job. Finding relics is not a cake walk it takes a lot of hard work to know what your doing and what the dirt is doing and the iron and or trash.

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I think some of the 'Deus Price' is actually 'XP Price', as their lesser machines, eg. ADX150, seem a bit expensive for what they appear to offer. They are well made, though. And Made In France is never going to be low-cost.

When you talk about the price of the Deus, if you have 5or 6 or maybe more detectors, I think you have spence more on those to do jobs that the Deus can do by it self. I have sold most of my detectors and used the money to buy the Deus. How am I out more money? I had to buy the ones I sold. Now the Deus dose what the others was doing. I still have some to sell and will buy the new coil for the Deus and will be out no more money than I am now. Thank about it one detector to change to do what 6 or 8 others do.

Lawrenzo Wrote:
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> The deus is what it is..I don't like when a
> company makes a lower version of their
> flagship..Deus make what it makes and they cost
> money and if they make a new machine I think it
> will be even cooler. Let fisher and others have
> their low end line not everyone can afford a deus
> it took me two years to save for one but if you
> are a hard core hunter the upper detectors do
> their job. Finding relics is not a cake walk it
> takes a lot of hard work to know what your doing
> and what the dirt is doing and the iron and or
> trash.
I don't see how making a wired version of this detector would make it a "lower version". The wireless features of this detector do not enhance it's performance one bit. It's just a convenience thing (fluff). You could retain all the features and display of this detector and reduce the cost at the same time with a wired version.
HH
John

Personally I agree with Lawrenzo here.

Consider White's did the very thing talked about.

A Vx3.

Why did they make?? To make a detector slightly cheaper to lure some additional folks.

Backwards thinking though in my book.

I guess a person could say something similar concerning the F70 vs F75.

Going the small stair step route --and basically using the same platform with some tweeks to lure follks--- don't work for me

This again is where the Deus shines--- you can get to the next smaller stair step-- without actually buying another detector.

Pure genius

I guess I am not clearly stating what I mean.

I'm not talking about changing the Deus at all except for the wireless features to get the price down. Essentially it would be exactly the same with just wired components.

HH
John

Wireless components are extremely cheap. The difference in cost over wired is not much. Not to mention it would be negated by re-design costs.

What I don't like on a deus is target id and response. It's not the friendliest for coin shooters. But no wires is a bit euphoric! Ws4 phones are pretty flimzy for what they cost.

"I'm not talking about changing the Deus at all except for the wireless features"
It sounds rather like "I'm not talking about changing the Ferrari Enzo at all except for the engine", or "I'm not talking about changing the I-Phone at all except for the touch-screen"

I'm not a fan of the cordless coil, myself. But not because of the modest cost increase it brings. It's the multiple built-in battery problem (made worse by the fragile coil-charger clip) that would be my main source of worry. Followed by the fact that it doesn't work underwater, unless you 'add a cable', honestly...



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Pimento Wrote:
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> "I'm not talking about changing the Deus at all
> except for the wireless features"
> It sounds rather like "I'm not talking about
> changing the Ferrari Enzo at all except for the
> engine", or "I'm not talking about changing the
> I-Phone at all except for the touch-screen"
>
> I'm not a fan of the cordless coil, myself. But
> not because of the modest cost increase it brings.
> It's the multiple built-in battery problem (made
> worse by the fragile coil-charger clip) that would
> be my main source of worry. Followed by the fact
> that it doesn't work underwater, unless you 'add a
> cable', honestly...

I wouldn't equate the wireless features of the Deus as like the engine of a car, instead it's more like a key less ignition or heated seats. All things that have nothing to do with a car's performance. I believe It would perform just as well if not better with wired components and you could still include wireless headphone capability.

I didn't even think about the coil not working under water though. At $500 to $600 per coil, that's a shame.

HH
John

Pimento,
I'll bet if Xp had it do all over again, they would have had a better overall system to quickly convert the Deus for coil underwater operation.

The coil charging clip could have been made sturdier-- although I've experienced no problems-- do have a spare though.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2016 10:43PM by tnsharpshooter.

I actually have a couple of coil charging clips in pieces that I foolishly suggested I could probably repair for a friend. They really are flawed in their design, it seems a simple enough thing to achieve. But the fragile plastic clip, the spring-loaded pins that break off the PCB or the pin comes out, the gold plating that wears off the coil pads all lead to disappointment.

Yes I think they went the way they did with the design partially because of the possibility of hooking the coil up backwards when charging.(Idiot Proof)


They should have incorporated an ear of sorts to insure correct polarity and built a more robust spring loaded clip--- and maybe considered a 2 tier pin design where the smallest part could indeed be replaced when worn. Where the smaller part screwed into or pushed into the larger part.

Or a slightly larger in diameter( stronger) pin design-- one piece.



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Other solutions include:
Have three pins in a line, join the outer two together. Then if the connection is reversed, it doesn't matter.

If you have been detecting for a long time and they get hold of a deus it is a blessing to have something so easy to pack up and go and so light no wires even on the headphones man why would anyone want cables on a deus. That is why I have a few other detectors and they are all great but the deus is a treat to work with

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