Dug an Eagle R Button today...

Took 25 year's to get this one off my wish list!!! and the TDI-Pro got it in very bad dirt and at great depth....Coat size Steele Johnson 1850's backmark....come out of a Civil war camp that I have been using the P.I. in the last few weeks and have gotten over a dozen buttons out of...VLF's wont touch them...

Hard button to find....Thought I would share... and show what bad ground Mask!!

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Keith Southern

Hey Keith, congrats on the button, very nice. Would you tell us your likes & dislikes of the TDI Pro? What did you have to get use to when switching from a VLF machine? Is it a dig all machine even if just coinshooting? I have never used a P.I. unit.
Thanks.

Nice 'R'. Mfr'd from 1858-1875. ....... Yes, PI's virtually don't care about bad dirt. PI's are the easiest machines to operate ...yet,,,, the most difficult to learn their language. Once learned, they will open doors that absolutely no other units (VLF) can.........in bad dirt.

Congrats on that find, I hear that is special.

Tell us more about the PI unit...

the biggest difference is minimal discrimination...The biggest advantage is Bad Dirt and Hot Rock's just don't exist any more....you get crisp clean signals in ultra bad dirt or clay and even under hot rock's or cold rocks that render Vlf's useless...


Now to hunt inland sites you need a special P.I.

You need a P.I. that will ground Balance!!

there's very few Ground Balancing P.I.s available Minelab( Big Money) Garrett Infinium, White's TDI/TDI-Pro,Eric Foster Gold Scan which is also the designer of the TDI ... So about 3-4 different machine's and that's it...

Now the TDI offer's a crude form of discrimination as does the Garrett....I like the TDI better it has more control and coil option's and better depth I believe and less noise since it only has a high tone or low tone where the Garrett has a dual tone on very target...less tone response less audio fatigue...

The tone's are a by-product of the Ground Balancing feature...but basically low tones are High conductors like coins 58 caliber minnie balls and belt plates and such but also large target's. be it iron or larger nails like 2 inches long and bigger flat iron etc etc...

High tones are lower conductor's like nickle's gold jewelry buttons pistol bullet's foil and the ever present small nails and pieces of tiny tin...

So in essence you can sort of tell what is under the coil to a degree by knowing the area you are hunting....My forte is Civil War camp's and Battlefields so I like it all except nail's and those are tricky to discern especially the smaller than 1 inch length they will fool you some time's...

Now the TDI's have a switch where you can have all tone /Low tone/High tone.... all being low and high will sound off on target ....now flip out of all and you can choose low tone which is high conductor on the switch and then you will mute the audio from the Low conductor which is high tone's and vice versa So you can eliminate a certain are of target's...

then the tone's working off the G.B. setting can also be altered by the G.B. setting.....

If you were a serious coin hunter in medium to extreme dirt I believe the TDI-Pro would be a serious weapon in the arsenal....There is some pretty neat tricks you can accomplish when seeking coins...Turn your conductor switch to high which is low tone... set G.B at about 2.5 pulse at 10 and gain as high as allowable usually wide open when using 1 tone mode...

at these setting's all iron is gone I mean even a car, trash can, digging shovel, man hole lid nothing will signal yet a dime is no obstacle and with great depth to boot.Now all low conductors will be muted also but for deep silver this is a great trick and virtually trash free digging...but in a trashy environ there will be masking going on that you would be oblivious to...but say in park where there's deep silver that vlf's cant get to the TDI would be the ticket...


Now on low conductor's there's other trick's


but using both tone's the tricks die out quick and it's more of hunt by target nuance and really listen for the fainter signal's..

the button you see in my post is one of 15 I have found in this area of the camp along with some 3 ringer's and explorer's f-75 ltd's just would not touch them...Depth well let's say they are past a foot and the Fe reading's are 7-8 bars g.b. 85-88...And hot rock's aplenty...

would you use this machine in a trashy environ probably not ...In a beat to death campsite deep in the wood's where you can dig holes at leisure ( Make sure you fill them In) and are in no hurry to go anywhere else and just love to learn a machine and hunt by ear only... Well it's pure enjoyment ...


I love mine but I am happy digging it all so to speak.....makes a great archaeological tool for sure....it misses nothing....

I highly recommend the machine if you are a person who want's more out of a detector than a display and a microprocessor that think's for you....


it's an eye opening machine for sure...But it's not for the casual user I only have a couple dozen hour's on mine and learn something new everytime I turn it on...It's a tweaker's dream machine..But in my dirt nothing compare's and I mean nothing..Little pricey with an MSRP of 1800.00 but it's well worth in my way of thinking...

But heck I don't think rational when it comes to detector's HA-HA

I might also add it's main use is for gold nugget hunting in some of the worst condition's in the world..but it also double's as a true artifact/Relic recovery machine with no equal in term's of total site evaluation...And could make an excellent and I mean excellent deep silver hunter getting what the other's left..

Keith

Thanks for posting that Keith. I really had very very little idea about PI units before you posted that. For sure it's a specialized type of unit and you made that abundantly clear.

Thanks a million Keith, thats copy & paste material.

Worth a read/discussion UNLIKE most of the crap here in the last FOREVER!

Ole' MRH!

Makes me want to not wait until fall to hunt. Nice button thanks for saving our history

LowBoy

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How can you have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat!

If the allied Atlantic antisub forces has had Keith on sonar in a Destroyer Escort or a Canadian Corvette, Hitler’s U-boats would have been swept from the seas by 1943 - magic sounds, magic ears!

Seriously, real depth in mineralized ground will never be achieved without systems not based on classic frequency domain FLF IB detectors - single or multi freq.

Pulse induction with Time Domain analysis is one way and new stuff from First Texas is hoped for. Beyond that, new thechnologies with more sophisticated analysis of signals in the frequency and time domains will appear...

But then there will still be that guy with a Compadre or a Whites XL Pro who does some other magic and hits the prize.

Ain’t dirt wonderful?

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

Then Ole' Calabash will come by with the Nox and finish cleaning it out. Ha!

Congrats on getting your Eagle R Keith. I bet you were over the moon with that one.

Congrat's on the Eagle "R" Keith! I've found a few different CW buttons but never an "R."

HH

Why are the Riflemen buttons so rare?

I'll have to check my eagle buttons, now I'm super curious if I've every found any.

Hard to believe that was 8 years ago!!

never showed it cleaned did I??

it turned out nice!!



Ironically I found another R in cuff size on that same long forgotten old road bed road about 2 miles on up in a old house site a couple of years later..



The R buttons was no longer in use after 1855 and by time of Civil War a Union soldier could not wear them...So in Civil War sites they are usually found in confederate areas from pre war soldiers still having old uniforms..

The Rifles started in 1842 and was transferred to Cavalry in 1855 and most of the rifles was from an older Dragoon unit..


Heres a neat fact that some may not know?? In 1854 the use of letters on buttons was abolished from general service ranks..Only Officers of Cavalry,Infantry,Artillery were wearing lettered buttons in the Civil war Union forces.

At one point there was also Dragoon and Voltigeurs ..The V button is super rare..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



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Nice R button/s Keith

But speaking of the really rare ones = I'd almost kill to find a Dragoon and V button/s!

Ole' Larry, Pete and gang find em like most of us find Gen service buttons = lucky sobs!

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Hard to believe that was 8 years ago!!
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> never showed it cleaned did I??
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> it turned out nice!!

That turned out great! How did you clean it? I've tried Aluminum Jelly on buttons, but the results were lackluster.
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> The R buttons was no longer in use after 1855 and by time of Civil War a Union soldier could not wear them...So in Civil War sites they are usually found in confederate areas from pre war soldiers still having old uniforms..
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> Heres a neat fact that some may not know?? In 1854 the use of letters on buttons was abolished from general service ranks..Only Officers of Cavalry,Infantry,Artillery were wearing lettered buttons in the Civil war Union forces.
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> At one point there was also Dragoon and Voltigeurs ..The V button is super rare..
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> Keith

Tom and I have a Civil War era Union Army camp we found and we always find a fair amount of buttons there, but I always wondered why almost none of them have the letters on the buttons. Keith you just cleared that up, so know I know the handful of lettered buttons were officers buttons! The coolest and rarest button I've dug at the camp was an Ordnance officers button, it's a great design.

Thanks for all the great information Keith

Brian sound's like a good Button!!! congrat's

Wayne ..Yeah Larry is in prime area for D and V..Texas Mexico boarder

Some things are just hard to find in quantity in some parts of the U.S. while in others they are quite plentiful..

D's V.s and R's on East coast are here but not in quantity..

R's are hotter along Oregon Trail especially the Fort Scott?? area If memory serves me correctly.

Fascinating history of the Dragoons demise in the late 1700s to only return in the early 1830s then watch them Morph into strictly Cavalry.....D.V.R...became the Carbine.Sword,Pistol mounted Cavalry of the Civil War era..Although the South liked to use alot of the Cavalry dismounted when need be because of shortages the Northern trooper thought he was above dismounting and fighting like the earlier U.S. Mounted units...They did it at times but it wasn't there pridefull choice

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla