When you hear the words, "Sleeper Machine" what comes to your mind?

I have never used one but the F70 comes to mind. I have heard on a couple different detecting forums that many refer to this as one of the best "sleeper machines"
What specifically makes the F70 a sleeper machine?
What machine do you consider a "sleeper machine" ?

The Advantage and the 1236x2.

Rick

F-19/G2+-----A lot of people don't know how good those little machines really are.

The old Musketeer was a really nice detector especially with the small 7.25'' coil on,still have and use it after all these years but mainly as a ford/river detector hunting broman votive offering,carry the control box around my neck and have it mounted on a longer straight shaft so i can get some depth while detecting,also by using the smaller coil i dont get as much drag from the river flow.

IDX Pro with Mr. Bill's modifications, then to luck out and find the best small coil for it (HotHead Ferret). This combo has a couple of redeeming qualities like great depth and quick recovery speed in iron trash.

EPL II Wrote:
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> I have never used one but the F70 comes to mind. I
> have heard on a couple different detecting forums
> that many refer to this as one of the best
> "sleeper machines"
> What specifically makes the F70 a sleeper
> machine?
> What machine do you consider a "sleeper machine" ?

This is just my take on it. I did a lot of research a few years ago when I really wanted an F75 LTD and found that for about half the price I could get the F70 which could do just about everything the F75 LTD could. It could go nearly as deep, had the same recovery speed I believe, etc. Just had a few less bells and whistles (less modes, backlight, manual GB for example). I got one, and it is a good machine. Very susceptible to audible EMI when run hot, though, but probably no worse than an F75 LTD.

Since then, the F75 LTD2 arrived on the scene with DST and widened the gap further in my opinion. I can run it full throttle without much audible EMI where the F70 would have made me a basket case at the same hot settings. I still have the F70 for a backup machine, but I honestly haven't taken it out since I got the F75 LTD2 a few months back.

There are great and better detectors out there from other manufacturers too, but I believe the reason the F70 is referred to as a sleeper is the price to performance ratio and the fact that there was never a lot of advertising dedicated to it.

I've had quite a few machines over the years, F70, F75 LTD/LTD2, CZ70, Sovereign, ID Edge, Coin$trike, Etrac, AT Pro, etc.

For me, I don't see how you can beat the Racer's for the type of detecting I enjoy. I'm not looking for ultimate depth, but separation and ability to sniff out the goodies in iron is what I need. I'm been going behind Explorers, CTX's, Whites MXT's and pulling out old coins and tokens Considering the screaming deals you can get on a used Racer (not that the new units are high priced to begin with), I don't really think it can be beat.

I.D. Edge
1236 x2
Green Metal box Musky,,,,,Blue metal Box Sterling,,,,,Green metal Box Tribune.. ((they require the DD Super search coil...the stock Concentric was awful.the DD turned them into a Beast))
Treasure baron With Gold Traxx
RG 1000 V2
F44
Toltec 2
Amigo 2
B.H. Discovery 3300
I.D. Excel
GMT 1650
Liberty D.I.

Sleeper coils...super 6 for 12xx series....Round concentrics for Scorpion,,,,5x10 Concentric Fisher coil for 12xx


just ones i can think of that didn't get sold alot or used alot or talked about alot..

there's others too but that's enough LOL

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



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What do I think of when I hear the word sleeper machine,

Urmm, A MINELAB, coz it don't wake up unless you Run it with the Screen Wide Open, LOL.

John.

whitey's mx-5 with the 6" concentric coil..over looked detector
outrageous in the junk!

(h.h.!)
j.t.

Tesero Golden Sabre.
That thing lets you know when you hit Silver.

As far as that sleeper remark Dave J. probably said it best...

Because the F70 was advertised for a lot less money than the F75, marketing dept. didn't quite dare to say how good the damn thing really was.




The F70 was the product of a mission-- to come up with a less expensive adaptation of the F75, while incorporating things we had learned meanwhile. Without "dumbing it down". Because the F70 was advertised for a lot less money than the F75, marketing dept. didn't quite dare to say how good the damn thing really was. Some of the secret sauce we put into the F70 eventually made its way into later revisions of the F75 group of machines, as well as into the Teknetics "Fratbros" series and most other new beeps introduced after the F70.

As the top of the Fisher lineup, the F75 including its revisions got all the attention. That's how the F70 became a "sleeper". Guys like Mudpuppy will never have to wonder if they should have gotten an F75 instead.

This is the same sort of explanation I just posted in "another forum" about the approx. $200 category. If you get a Eurotek Pro, you never have to wonder if you should have gotten something else. Get anything else, and you'll wonder if you should have gotten a Eurotek Pro instead. F70 owners never have to wonder if they should "upgrade" to an F75.

--Dave J."

My F70 has found bucket list targets in many different extremely difficult and well hunted sites, gone past the one foot depth mark in good soil and deeper in bad soil then I ever imagined it could, has done everything I have ever asked of it and the surpassed it all and never ceases to amaze me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2016 01:09PM by diggwr27.

Sleeper - strong performer in the field but not in the sales. later over hyped on performance to increase the sales. But still a lesser known machine.

diggwr27 Wrote:
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> As far as that sleeper remark Dave J. probably
> said it best...
>
> Because the F70 was advertised for a lot less
> money than the F75, marketing dept. didn't quite
> dare to say how good the damn thing really was.
>
>
>
>
> The F70 was the product of a mission-- to come up
> with a less expensive adaptation of the F75, while
> incorporating things we had learned meanwhile.
> Without "dumbing it down". Because the F70 was
> advertised for a lot less money than the F75,
> marketing dept. didn't quite dare to say how good
> the damn thing really was. Some of the secret
> sauce we put into the F70 eventually made its way
> into later revisions of the F75 group of machines,
> as well as into the Teknetics "Fratbros" series
> and most other new beeps introduced after the F70.
>
>
> As the top of the Fisher lineup, the F75 including
> its revisions got all the attention. That's how
> the F70 became a "sleeper". Guys like Mudpuppy
> will never have to wonder if they should have
> gotten an F75 instead.
>
> This is the same sort of explanation I just posted
> in "another forum" about the approx. $200
> category. If you get a Eurotek Pro, you never have
> to wonder if you should have gotten something
> else. Get anything else, and you'll wonder if you
> should have gotten a Eurotek Pro instead. F70
> owners never have to wonder if they should
> "upgrade" to an F75.
>
> --Dave J."
>
> My F70 has found bucket list targets in many
> different extremely difficult and well hunted
> sites, gone past the one foot depth mark in good
> soil and deeper in bad soil then I ever imagined
> it could, has done everything I have ever asked of
> it and the surpassed it all and never ceases to
> amaze me.


Gonna steal from your post diggwr27 .

What Dave J. said about the Eurotek Pro is spot on, for a cheap detector it is pretty surprising what it can do.



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jmaryt Wrote:
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> whitey's mx-5 with the 6" concentric coil..over
> looked detector
> outrageous in the junk!
>
> (h.h.!)
> j.t.

Yep, For targets Tiny targets, ( Nuggets ) weighing under 0.20 grams the 5.3 / 6" coil is the hottest coil you can buy for a whites machine and because of it's size it can even work in the Hot Australian Dirt, For a VLF it is also the hottest coil I have seen And if you are chasing tiny Nuggets then this will double the depth of the shooter and it can see bits that are smaller too,

Good Luck,,

John.

A sleeper relic machine for me was the CoinStrike. Obviously aimed at coin shooting...it was a much better relic hunter than a coin hunter IMO.

The GPX machines were real sleepers in the relic world too; they were only thought of as a gold prospecting machine up until about 6 years ago.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> A sleeper relic machine for me was the CoinStrike.
> Obviously aimed at coin shooting...it was a much
> better relic hunter than a coin hunter IMO.
>
> The GPX machines were real sleepers in the relic
> world too; they were only thought of as a gold
> prospecting machine up until about 6 years ago.

I got one of the GP Prototypes with only 15 hours use on it,

John.

Fisher Coinstrike-Garrett Ace 350.....both useless in parks as they loved rusty bottlecaps but in the boondocks where there are none are deep good units and can be had rather cheaply used...matter of fact almost tough to giveaway but indeed both good and above all not expensive...

IDX Pro with the Mr. bill mods and a bigfoot coil. The darn thing is a quarter vacuum. Also with a "Goldfoot" coil (half a bigfoot) it has the sharpest adjacent target separation I Have ever seen. Great fun.

By the way, the Eurotek and all the "frat brothers" detectors are being sold at steep discounts direct by First Texas - PM me if interested.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

I wouldn't know as all My Detectors are well known depth Demon's!><

I'll add a couple old favorites. Besides the GMT 1650 that Keith mentioned.

Gold Mountain King Cobra
Compass Gold Scanner Pro



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Garrett A3B. Faster then fast separation, EMI resistance and it can smoked the nail board test with flying colors.

Oddly I got far better depth on the F75 LTD then I ever did on my F70, perhaps I just had a subpar F70

diggwr27 Wrote:
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> As far as that sleeper remark Dave J. probably
> said it best...
>
> Because the F70 was advertised for a lot less
> money than the F75, marketing dept. didn't quite
> dare to say how good the damn thing really was.
>
>
>
>
> The F70 was the product of a mission-- to come up
> with a less expensive adaptation of the F75, while
> incorporating things we had learned meanwhile.
> Without "dumbing it down". Because the F70 was
> advertised for a lot less money than the F75,
> marketing dept. didn't quite dare to say how good
> the damn thing really was. Some of the secret
> sauce we put into the F70 eventually made its way
> into later revisions of the F75 group of machines,
> as well as into the Teknetics "Fratbros" series
> and most other new beeps introduced after the F70.
>
>
> As the top of the Fisher lineup, the F75 including
> its revisions got all the attention. That's how
> the F70 became a "sleeper". Guys like Mudpuppy
> will never have to wonder if they should have
> gotten an F75 instead.
>
> This is the same sort of explanation I just posted
> in "another forum" about the approx. $200
> category. If you get a Eurotek Pro, you never have
> to wonder if you should have gotten something
> else. Get anything else, and you'll wonder if you
> should have gotten a Eurotek Pro instead. F70
> owners never have to wonder if they should
> "upgrade" to an F75.
>
> --Dave J."
>
> My F70 has found bucket list targets in many
> different extremely difficult and well hunted
> sites, gone past the one foot depth mark in good
> soil and deeper in bad soil then I ever imagined
> it could, has done everything I have ever asked of
> it and the surpassed it all and never ceases to
> amaze me.

Wow! I wasn't anticipating an exhaustive list of so many "sleepers" lol I thought (maybe hoping) I was going to see more of a trend with one particular detector among many. Still very interesting to learn and read. detectingMO, Thank you for the definition. DFinTX and diggwr27 Thank you for the information on the F70 -much appreciated.






detectingMO Wrote:
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> Sleeper - strong performer in the field but not in
> the sales. later over hyped on performance to
> increase the sales. But still a lesser known
> machine.

DFinTX Wrote:
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> EPL II Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have never used one but the F70 comes to mind.
> I
> > have heard on a couple different detecting
> forums
> > that many refer to this as one of the best
> > "sleeper machines"
> > What specifically makes the F70 a sleeper
> > machine?
> > What machine do you consider a "sleeper machine"
> ?
>
> This is just my take on it. I did a lot of
> research a few years ago when I really wanted an
> F75 LTD and found that for about half the price I
> could get the F70 which could do just about
> everything the F75 LTD could. It could go nearly
> as deep, had the same recovery speed I believe,
> etc. Just had a few less bells and whistles (less
> modes, backlight, manual GB for example). I got
> one, and it is a good machine. Very susceptible
> to audible EMI when run hot, though, but probably
> no worse than an F75 LTD.
>
> Since then, the F75 LTD2 arrived on the scene with
> DST and widened the gap further in my opinion. I
> can run it full throttle without much audible EMI
> where the F70 would have made me a basket case at
> the same hot settings. I still have the F70 for a
> backup machine, but I honestly haven't taken it
> out since I got the F75 LTD2 a few months back.
>
> There are great and better detectors out there
> from other manufacturers too, but I believe the
> reason the F70 is referred to as a sleeper is the
> price to performance ratio and the fact that there
> was never a lot of advertising dedicated to it.

diggwr27 Wrote:
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> As far as that sleeper remark Dave J. probably
> said it best...
>
> Because the F70 was advertised for a lot less
> money than the F75, marketing dept. didn't quite
> dare to say how good the damn thing really was.
>
>
>
>
> The F70 was the product of a mission-- to come up
> with a less expensive adaptation of the F75, while
> incorporating things we had learned meanwhile.
> Without "dumbing it down". Because the F70 was
> advertised for a lot less money than the F75,
> marketing dept. didn't quite dare to say how good
> the damn thing really was. Some of the secret
> sauce we put into the F70 eventually made its way
> into later revisions of the F75 group of machines,
> as well as into the Teknetics "Fratbros" series
> and most other new beeps introduced after the F70.
>
>
> As the top of the Fisher lineup, the F75 including
> its revisions got all the attention. That's how
> the F70 became a "sleeper". Guys like Mudpuppy
> will never have to wonder if they should have
> gotten an F75 instead.
>
> This is the same sort of explanation I just posted
> in "another forum" about the approx. $200
> category. If you get a Eurotek Pro, you never have
> to wonder if you should have gotten something
> else. Get anything else, and you'll wonder if you
> should have gotten a Eurotek Pro instead. F70
> owners never have to wonder if they should
> "upgrade" to an F75.
>
> --Dave J."
>
> My F70 has found bucket list targets in many
> different extremely difficult and well hunted
> sites, gone past the one foot depth mark in good
> soil and deeper in bad soil then I ever imagined
> it could, has done everything I have ever asked of
> it and the surpassed it all and never ceases to
> amaze me.

I wouldn't call it a sleeper machine but the first "real" detector that I had many years ago was the Garrett Freedom Ace Plus. I should try to find another one some time as my wife really loved it. I have owned and used many detectors over the years and have a bunch more that I want to try but for my wife nothing I have had will be as good as the Freedom Ace Plus in her eyes. She just seemed to click with that machine, she would usually smoke me with it no matter what I was swinging. I think for me the most amazing detector that I have had was the White's Eagle II SL-90 black box, it almost pulled quarters out of the ground and the meter/id was amazingly accurate.



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I believe the Wilsons were sleepers for a while as was a dealer for them and couldn't get rid of them so traded some other dealers fo other detectors till I got rid of all mine shortribs

"Sleeper Machine" what comes to your mind?

An old White's 5900di Pro, black box with the 950 coil.

Gonebeepin''

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Just one more good target before I go.

Gonebeepin' Wrote:
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> "Sleeper Machine" what comes to your mind?
>
> An old White's 5900di Pro, black box with the 950
> coil.
>
> Gonebeepin''

I just bought a Brand New, unused Blue Box one from 1989 and It will Eat any VLF made today and still have change for a Coke.

John

Lobo supertraq
Fisher cz's
Eurotek pro

------------"Cz's still bad to the bone".------------
Living on a big ass Astroid.
The woman that got my rib,I want it back.

I have a IDX Pro without the mods that most folks have had done and must admit like using it,was dubious about the 'S' shaped shaft as i generally hate them but i can live with it on the IDX,the performance is reasonable in terms of depth but get it on a trashy site that is when the machine excels especially with the 5.3 coil on.A solid reliable machine and still very popular these days even well after production stopped years ago.