Looks like the Teknetics website is up

I'm sure the "new" machines that have been re-released/re-badged by FT are cost reduction versions of the originals. Some components are better, faster, and obviously cheaper then the original because that's how technology rolls. When I was working at Cisco Systems supporting their Catalyst 6K switching platform, we saw challenges with things like memory components as the product life cycle evolved whereas memory components were changing so rapidly, that it was actually cheaper to buy newer, faster memory chips then it was to try to source the original components. Same would holds true for CPUs and other such components. Likely the older CPUs were single or dual core, and the new ones are quad core, hell they might even support hyper-threading!

Keith Southern Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I don't have any inside info..BUT!!
>
> I strongly feel the T2-C. is MAYBE not using NORMA
> L DST...
>
> Actually I Believe/Feel the T2-C. is Faster in rec
> overy speed than the old original T2.
>
> Also has better Locking I.D's..
>
> What have they done??...I'm wondering if there's a
> dual processor at work???Seems a whole lot like a
> G2 in recovery speed...Yet DEEPER..
>
> Is it a magic stick??Nope..Still a VLF detector,No
> w it just runs Clean,Fast,Deep and comfortable to
> use..this set of batteries have been in for at lea
> st 45 hours and still got three bars..
>
> Some tweaking has gone on we are not privy too..
>
> Also with the amount of high end tech coils we now
> have for it its really is a universal hunter..I ha
> ve found it to be more sleuthy in iron than the ot
> her T2's..with noise gone and speed there and hors
> epower I can work iron extremely well...and like a
> ll T2's this thing loves buttons..even the lowest
> of conductor ones..I have no need for a F19 as of
> now...I have begged for a F19 on steroids..well th
> is is as close as we can get right now..
>
> funny in the last couple of years exacting tone br
> eaks are not as critical in iron as the machines g
> et smarter.YES I said smarter...processing is revo
> lutionizing our hunts..
>
> Keith



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2017 12:58AM by Cal_cobra.

Mr. Gardiner says the T2-C has DST. No faster processor, no additional processor.

Geotech Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Gardiner says the T2-C has DST. No faster proc
> essor, no additional processor.

thanks for that, can you ask him if the Patriot has the DST tech also?

Geotech Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mr. Gardiner says the T2-C has DST. No faster proc
> essor, no additional processor.


Maybe they upped their final Quality control??

Thanks for Info Carl!

Solves that..to me it still feels cleaner and faster than any other T2 I've used yet I've added some tight coils and maybe they are meshing with the LATEST DST NO noise circuitry quite well..

My T2-C. almost feels like a F75 in Je mode running quiet..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for Info Carl!
>
> Solves that..to me it still feels cleaner and fast
> er than any other T2 I've used yet I've added some
> tight coils and maybe they are meshing with the LA
> TEST DST NO noise circuitry quite well..
>
> My T2-C. almost feels like a F75 in Je mode runnin
> g quiet..
>
> Keith


If the hardware hasn't changed, it could be code updates to more efficient code?

I suspect that we won't get more detail on any "tweaks" to the software or hardware. The detector world is notoriously shy about revealing details of how they get their machines to work. Lots of "secret sauce" goes into what makes detector X work differently than detector Y.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

I love continuous (unadvertised) updates/revisions/mod's being quietly implemented....... so as to NOT (possibly) lose the data. Get it out there!!!..... then advance/progress even further from this newer higher-plateau/benchmark.

NEVER "hold-off" .... or delay progress.

canslawhero Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Geotech Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mr. Gardiner says the T2-C has DST. No faster processor, no additional processor.
>
> thanks for that, can you ask him if the Patriot has the DST tech also?

No, Patriot = F70 which never got DST.

Keith ..... placebo effect lol....... i notice that seems to come with the introduction of new machines.

Dew

Geotech Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> canslawhero Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Geotech Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > Mr. Gardiner says the T2-C has DST. No faster
> processor, no additional processor.
> >
> > thanks for that, can you ask him if the Patriot
> has the DST tech also?
>
> No, Patriot = F70 which never got DST.

thanks! Say hi to Dave for me....

Quote:"I love continuous (unadvertised) updates/revisions/mod's being quietly implemented"

The trouble with the 'unadvertised' bit is that people (ie. new customers, and buyers of previously-owned, too) want to know what state of revision a product is at. Particularly in regards software/firmware, which is a significant part of many modern detectors. There have been countless threads on "which T2 software version" , the fact that it's possible to find out such info by turning the machine on and reading it helps somewhat. There were no such threads on the F75, as it didn't display any s/ware revision info, just 'F75' , making you wonder if it had ever been revised, or not?

Bill long Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lawrenzo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what a slow company to come out with a new machi
> ne
>
>
> Lawrenzo, ever read or heard the story of the "Tur
> tle and the Hare". Ease up Pal. You've been bashi
> ng Fisher since you found a machine that you consi
> dered better than the G2.


His constant slamming of US detectors has gotten old.

Cal_cobra Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Keith Southern Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanks for Info Carl!
> >
> > Solves that..to me it still feels cleaner and fa
> st
> > er than any other T2 I've used yet I've added so
> me
> > tight coils and maybe they are meshing with the
> LA
> > TEST DST NO noise circuitry quite well..
> >
> > My T2-C. almost feels like a F75 in Je mode runn
> in
> > g quiet..
> >
> > Keith
>
>
> If the hardware hasn't changed, it could be code u
> pdates to more efficient code?


I've been using the T2 Classic for a few months now for relic hunting. Even though I've been using the t2 SE with upgrade I find the new classic my go to unit. Hard to explain but it's a feel good machine. And for some reason it gives me more confidence which to me is half the battle. It's a clean, tight modern day detector with old school values

Bill Long I feel the same way about my T2 Classic it's a heck of a machine at a heck of a price for the performance you get.

Keith, what about blendy/bleedy?

Is the audio still "snapshot" but quicker, or is it an open audio gate?

I'm talking a bit above my head, here, relying on you to correct/explain.

Wayne

Pleasant Garden, NC
AT Max, Nokta Impact, MX Sport, Nokta FORS Relic, GPX 4800, Infinium, Racer, Deus, F75SE, Nautilus DMC II (order of acquisition, last to first)

Does an archeologist argue with a plow? A bureaucrat with a bulldozer?

Detectorist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bill long Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lawrenzo Wrote:
> > ------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----
> > > what a slow company to come out with a new mac
> hi
> > ne
> >
> >
> > Lawrenzo, ever read or heard the story of the "T
> ur
> > tle and the Hare". Ease up Pal. You've been bas
> hi
> > ng Fisher since you found a machine that you con
> si
> > dered better than the G2.
>
>
> His constant slamming of US detectors has gotten o
> ld.


Amen to that

Agreed and amen. But he aint about to stop anytime soon now that Nokta gave him a detector.

So, when is Fisher going to be back in the game then?

NOT slamming, just askin -

Those Turkish companies can surely put out quality units in good time -

[www.earthscan.co.nz]

Fisher never left the game. It took a long time for most co's to catch them in the first place, if in fact, most actually have. HH jim tn

jim tn Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Fisher never left the game. It took a long time fo
> r most co's to catch them in the first place, if i
> n fact, most actually have. HH jim tn


Exactly right!! The 20+ year old Fisher CZs are still right at the top of the list for depth on coins and for target ID accuracy. They are deadly as anything out there in the hands of experienced users. A proper CZ can get 12 inches on a US dime with an 8 inch coil. Most detectors today are running 10-11 inch coils as standard/stock coils just to get in the ball park of a proper CZ on coins. Then throw the F75 in the mix and it set the bar higher and became the standard by which people gauge machines by. NASA Tom uses it as his benchmark detector as do many others. Many manufacturers have copied that basic platform. I guarantee Dave, Carl, and the rest have not been asleep at their posts.

(((Perceptively correct)))

The Nokta/Makro group previously had a number of out of the mainstream - if not out in left field - designs. Then suddenly, they came up with good - and later very good "restatements" of the basic T2 approach. Now with the Impact, they have added contemporary design and selectable frequency (Minelab and XP had lead the waywith this). Perhaps their current engineering team has the imagination and talent to do something truly new.

Companies like Minelab and First Texas, with experienced and highly talented engineering and design teams, struggle to get beyond what Dave Johnson calls "singlefreakers" or "multifreakers". We hate it. We want shape recognition, solid ID to 12" in any ground, wireless everything - and all for $500 or less.

Ain't gonna happen. Physics is a cruel mistress. Tiny amounts of energy put into a complex and confusing element like the ground, returning a weak signal - the need to seperate the ground response - there goes part of the energy - discriminate based on signal return - there goes some more millivolts or milliwats - then communicate the signal analysis to the operator.

If it were easy, the mayor of El Paso would declare next Friday "Dave Johnson Day"!

But still we hope. Some, who as late as two years ago were advising folks to hold out for the truly new thing, have now tasted bitter disappointment at their hopes delayed.

It is coming - whole new approaches of RF ground interrogation and response analysis are being developed right now in various engineering labs. Some will never,see,the light of day. Others, probably several, will result in something which can do things which no detector currently in existence can do. I believe it. We are actually getting closer. Sadly, it won't be tomorrow or even perhaps next year, but it will come. Not from ground penetrating radar or any off the wall new magic, but from extremely clever and careful RF engineering.

Your mileage may vary!

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2017 03:12PM by lytle78.

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2017 06:54PM by Keith Southern.

The Ameritek's have started shipping.