Multi-IQ Frequency Weighting

I would really like to get some more information on the Equinox Modes besides what’s in the manual..
It seems the Multi Frequency Weighting in Park 1 and Field 1 might be the same with the only
differences between the modes being the stock discrimination patterns, Recovery speed and Iron Bias settings.
Same for Park 2 and Field 2.. if this is the case it would be good to know for setting up our custom patterns..

I mostly hunt old city parks and if I could set up a field 1 program with different speed or tone patterns but know
I’m hunting with the same Multi Frequency as Park 1 then I’m going to feel more confident with what’s going on under my coil..

Bryan

i'm not positive but I think that P1 and F1 use lower frequency Multi so it's better on high conductors and P2 and F2 use higher frequency multi so it's better on mid conductors. i don't have the Nox yet but from all that I have learned so far i believe that this is the case. I wish Tom would weigh in on this for us.

Me too. I'm a turf hunter too and am trying to figure out what the best modes are to use for that purpose. It would seem that Park 1 and Field 1 are the two likely candidates, but it's really hard to know what the real differences are other than what is published as the default setting differences in the manual. All I see that is different besides a few audio settings is Iron Bias and a 1 digit difference in Recovery Speed. Iron Bias is obviously the biggest difference we can see, but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, like with frequency weighting, as you pointed out.

The desire to know more is so that we can make a more intelligent mode selection decision. I get that Minelab wants to protect its trade secrets, so we might just have to keep experimenting in different conditions to figure out what the hidden differences are. But thanks for asking the question.

martygene........ let me see if I can get into trouble with this one. Yes..... you are correct. But......... almost completely/unsuspectingly...... Beach Mode-2 is deepest/best Mode for silver dimes/quarters...... as Beach Mode-2 utilizes the lowest grouping of Freq's on the entire platform. A very discrete/finite/precise (variables removed) test-garden will reveal this. Dirt mineralization/conditions 'might' alter this data. For dirt hunting..... you will find that you will use Park-1, Field-1 & Beach-2 more-so for EMI mitigation...... assuming utilization of higher Sens settings. If you can 'get away' with using Beach Mode-2 whilst inland.... this will be the better choice. Don't be afraid to use a 'beach' mode.... for inland hunting.

very cool Tom... great intel... copy that... whenever i do get a Nox i will be testing this out. Big thanks.

Thanks Tom!
Very interesting and I appreciated the tip.. Hopefully my ground will allow the use of Beach 2 and I will assume from
your response that aside from the various settings that Park 1 and Field 1 are using the same, or close to the same Multi Frequency Weighting..

I look forward to more of your insight on the Equinox..

Bryan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2018 05:31PM by Cabin Fever.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> martygene........ let me see if I can get into tro
> uble with this one. Yes..... you are correct. But.
> ........ almost completely/unsuspectingly...... Be
> ach Mode-2 is deepest/best Mode for silver dimes/q
> uarters...... as Beach Mode-2 utilizes the lowest
> grouping of Freq's on the entire platform. A very
> discrete/finite/precise (variables removed) test-g
> arden will reveal this. Dirt mineralization/condit
> ions 'might' alter this data. For dirt hunting....
> . you will find that you will use Park-1, Field-1
> & Beach-2 more-so for EMI mitigation...... assumin
> g utilization of higher Sens settings. If you can
> 'get away' with using Beach Mode-2 whilst inland..
> .. this will be the better choice. Don't be afraid
> to use a 'beach' mode.... for inland hunting.

Thank you! I noticed they are kind of weak on high conductors I will investigate this mode further.

Whites pioneered the concept of giving operational variables meaningful names. Then they fielded a series of detectors which allowed the user to set most or all of the variables to their own level. The result was - all too often, user confusion, culminating with what is probably the most user configurable detector of all time - the V3i. Not a big success in the marketplace. Too complex for a lot of folks.

Then there’s’s Minelab. World champion at inventing arbitrary names for operational modes which combine various adjustments to multiple variable settings into a “X” setting. The underlying variables neither being named or available to the operator individually.

The EQ seems to be sort of going half-way down the road of actually naming and exposing to the operator meaningful variables. We will see how this works out.

I predict initial confusion - followed, hopefully by progress on the part of the users.

Rick Kempf
Gold Canyon AZ- where there is no gold

I dont know if the guy who has the DirtFishing channel on youtube posts here but this was taken from his video as he was checking out how the frequencies change the depth of a nickle.



If you do it would be great if you post you findings for high conductors too. All modes were in factory default.

Edit : Link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2svZzaFbfms



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2018 12:08AM by Mike C.

WOW.

Thanks, NASA-Tom.

Indeed, very "unsuspecting." It would have been a long time, a much-farther-down-the-road thing, in terms of the order that I would have chosen to test things, to have arrived at the place where I'd be testing "beach mode 2" in my deep silver dirt/turf-type hunting environs...

MUCH appreciated, this little "move my testing/understanding along in a more productive direction, more quickly" piece of intel...

Steve

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> martygene........ let me see if I can get into tro
> uble with this one. Yes..... you are correct. But.
> ........ almost completely/unsuspectingly...... Be
> ach Mode-2 is deepest/best Mode for silver dimes/q
> uarters...... as Beach Mode-2 utilizes the lowest
> grouping of Freq's on the entire platform. A very
> discrete/finite/precise (variables removed) test-g
> arden will reveal this. Dirt mineralization/condit
> ions 'might' alter this data. For dirt hunting....
> . you will find that you will use Park-1, Field-1
> & Beach-2 more-so for EMI mitigation...... assumin
> g utilization of higher Sens settings. If you can
> 'get away' with using Beach Mode-2 whilst inland..
> .. this will be the better choice. Don't be afraid
> to use a 'beach' mode.... for inland hunting.

Very interesting. It IS "air testing," but with that being said, interesting...

Yes, I'd like to see that chart with a high-conductive coin used...

Might have to make my own.

What's with Park 2? 14" on that nickel in multi, but nothing in any of the single-freq modes that comes any closer than 2" shallower? AND YET -- Park 2 "multi" is the second-deepest multi-mode for that nickel, second only to the hottest of the two gold modes?

??

Steve

steveg Wrote:
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> Very interesting. It IS "air testing," but with t
> hat being said, interesting...
>
> Yes, I'd like to see that chart with a high-conduc
> tive coin used...
>
> Might have to make my own.
>
> What's with Park 2? 14" on that nickel in multi,
> but nothing in any of the single-freq modes that c
> omes any closer than 2" shallower? AND YET
> -- Park 2 "multi" is the second-deepest multi-mode
> for that nickel, second only to the hottest of the
> two gold modes?
>
> ??
>
> Steve

Exactly my thoughts. I was thinking that IF frequency weighting was the same as far as (park 1 and field 1) and (park 2 field 2) were concerned, his chart is showing that something different is going on. Not to say they aren't weighted the same, just something different.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2018 02:06PM by Mike C.

The manual clearly states that Beach 2 has the lowest frequency weighting of all the modes. While Park 1 and Field 1 use "low" frequency weightings, Beach 2 uses "very" low frequency weighting.

"Beach 2 Multi- IQ processes a very low weighted multi-frequency combination."

I got my hopes up, then also read in the manual that Beach 2 has low transmit power:

"...there is a very strong salt signal present, so Beach 2 has a lower transmit power, which results in much less noise."

and so I wrote it off as good for deep silver. In my backyard test garden, Beach 2 did no better than Park 1 or Field 1 on my 8" clad dime with the default settings, but that was just a quick test before we knew Beach 2 had "special" potential. More testing to follow, using different recovery speeds and iron bias settings.

Too bad there isn't an option to restore full transmit power in Beach 2 mode...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2018 02:28PM by wayfarer.

wayfarer Wrote:
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> The manual clearly states that Beach 2 has the low
> est frequency weighting of all the modes. While P
> ark 1 and Field 1 use "low" frequency weightings,
> Beach 2 uses "very" low frequency we
> ighting.
>
> "Beach 2 Multi- IQ processes a very low
> weighted multi-frequency combination."
>
> I got my hopes up, then also read in the manual th
> at Beach 2 has low transmit power:
>
> "...there is a very strong salt signal present,
> so Beach 2 has a lower transmit power, which resul
> ts in much less noise."
>
> and so I wrote it off as good for deep silver. In
> my backyard test garden, Beach 2 did no better tha
> n Park 1 or Field 1 on my 8" clad dime with the de
> fault settings, but that was just a quick test bef
> ore we knew Beach 2 had "special" potential. More
> testing to follow, using different recovery speeds
> and iron bias settings.
>
> Too bad there isn't an option to restore full tran
> smit power in Beach 2 mode...

This very low weight is super sensitive to EMI I've found. So in that case, it's depth is worse than other modes for me. But if you can get a clean site away from EMI it might do ok.

steveg Wrote:
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>
>
> What's with Park 2? 14" on that nickel in multi,
> but nothing in any of the single-freq modes that c
> omes any closer than 2" shallower? AND YET
> -- Park 2 "multi" is the second-deepest multi-mode
> for that nickel, second only to the hottest of the
> two gold modes?
>
> ??
>
> Steve

In the video he states that it's an incomplete chart

So I've been doing poor mans analysis of different modes freq use by checking gb numbers. Anyone know of gb technical discussions? I have some thoughts.

Also the instructions make it sound like ctx. not really needed in mild ground. Just trying to find discusions.

detectingMO Wrote:
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> So I've been doing poor mans analysis of different
> modes freq use by checking gb numbers. Anyone kno
> w of gb technical discussions? I have some though
> ts.
>
> Also the instructions make it sound like ctx. not
> really needed in mild ground. Just trying to find
> discusions.

I'm very interested in just how the GB works, auto vs manual vs tracking.....actually a Minelab Tech Article would be very much appreciated.
My urban parks don't allow ground balancing, sigh.....so I'll just have to go with the default GB of '0'.....waiting for the ground to thaw.....

detectingMO Wrote:
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> So I've been doing poor mans analysis of different
> modes freq use by checking gb numbers. Anyone kno
> w of gb technical discussions? I have some though
> ts.
>
> Also the instructions make it sound like ctx. not
> really needed in mild ground. Just trying to find
> discusions.


See this thread.
[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

canslawhero Wrote:
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> detectingMO Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So I've been doing poor mans analysis of differe
> nt
> > modes freq use by checking gb numbers. Anyone k
> no
> > w of gb technical discussions? I have some thou
> gh
> > ts.
> >
> > Also the instructions make it sound like ctx. n
> ot
> > really needed in mild ground. Just trying to fi
> nd
> > discusions.
>
> I'm very interested in just how the GB works, auto
> vs manual vs tracking.....actually a Minelab Tech
> Article would be very much appreciated.
> My urban parks don't allow ground balancing, sigh.
> ....so I'll just have to go with the default GB of
> '0'.....waiting for the ground to thaw.....

manual = manual
auto = ground grab
tracking = auto tracking
0 = preset like etrac or ctx IMO

freq/signal wise park1=field1 park2=field2 according to gb numbers.

in my 2 bar 64 phase f75 dirt default 0 is cleanest id and audio. gb doesnt seem to matter much. and since gb is different for every mode and frequency just using zero is nice!

airtest 5" deeper than in my dirt. may be emi issue not sure.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2018 05:09AM by detectingMO.