Is there any reason to have an F75 DST and an R2

I am going to buy a R2 but I really want to keep the F75 DST if it can be justified.

I just love the feel of it and I have all the coils and the sunray probe for it.

I basically just do coin and relic hunting in mild mid western soil. I do freshwater hunt but I have a different machine for that.

Is there anything that the f75 DST does better than the R2 that would justify keeping it around.

I've heard it's deeper with the stock coil in less trashy areas and will give ID's at a greater depth. I have not heard of the differences in the all metal mode.

I got the upgrade done towards the end and my machine did not seem to lose anything depth wise.

It's the blended audio in iron that made up my mind to get the R2.

Any advice would be appreciated.

HH
John



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2016 11:15PM by DirtyJohn.

Some depth differences.

I don't know exactly how mineralization plays here exactly comparing the 2.

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tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Some depth differences.
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> I don't know exactly how mineralization plays here
> exactly comparing the 2.
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> [www.dankowskidetectors.com]
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Thanks for the link. I have read a lot of the posts here on this subject but I guess I'm suffering from a little information overload.

I guess I'm asking people who have had both if they see a reason the keep both machines.

I know some on this forum have gotten rid of their F75's and some have not.

I guess I'm just looking for reasons that made them decide either way to keep or get rid of their F75's.

I know mineralization was a problem for some but I do not suffer from that in my part of the country. I also don't hunt salt water or nugget hunt.

I'm also generally not someone who will keep to many machines around unless there is a marked difference between them. Can't justify the expense.

HH
John

The F75 is deeper especially if you have mild dirt..3 bar or less

The F75 has a superior all metal mode for extreme depth

The R2 unmask a good bit better in iron and I also feel in modern trash..Coins sound round pulltabs and slaw sound splattery...

Also if you use some notching for your hunts the R2 has more selective and more exact ways to notch out the unwanted..

I feel the R2 is more sensitive to small targets in the soil than the F75 ..Or at least wants to report it easier as good ..

If it were me and I wanted the edge for depth I would get a F75 and have good unmasking second I would keep the F75 ..If I wanted to unmask most and get good depth I would get a R2 ..

My Hot proper F75 is neck in neck in my soil with my R1 and R2 in 3 to 4 bar dirt..If it goes higher the F75 still reports but wants to call non ferrous as ferrous more often.


There very close yet very different..if that makes sense..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> The F75 is deeper especially if you have mild
> dirt..3 bar or less
>
> The F75 has a superior all metal mode for extreme
> depth
>
> The R2 unmask a good bit better in iron and I also
> feel in modern trash..Coins sound round pulltabs
> and slaw sound splattery...
>
> Also if you use some notching for your hunts the
> R2 has more selective and more exact ways to notch
> out the unwanted..
>
> I feel the R2 is more sensitive to small targets
> in the soil than the F75 ..Or at least wants to
> report it easier as good ..
>
> If it were me and I wanted the edge for depth I
> would get a F75 and have good unmasking second I
> would keep the F75 ..If I wanted to unmask most
> and get good depth I would get a R2 ..
>
> My Hot proper F75 is neck in neck in my soil with
> my R1 and R2 in 3 to 4 bar dirt..If it goes higher
> the F75 still reports but wants to call non
> ferrous as ferrous more often.
>
>
> There very close yet very different..if that makes
> sense..
>
> Keith

Thanks Keith,
That helps a lot.

It's surprising that the R2 is even more sensitive to small stuff than the F75, because the F 75 is no slouch in that area either. I also thought the all metal would be hard to beat.

I think maybe I will keep it and get the R2 also. I really like the unmasking ability from what I've seen on videos. That blended audio really is a solid advancement and I have some iron infested sites that I really want to open up.

HH
John

Alot of that More sensitive is because I can Dial the tone break back tomy liking. and also it likes to go high tone a lot more than it likes to go low tone on Iffy target's...

In super nice dirt it may not seem as noticeable..but move up the mineral index and things equalize and then change ..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

In the real world with found/located fringe-depth targets.................. I have tested the F75 (in 'bp' mode) head-to-head with the R1 & R2. In my 1-bar dirt........ there were targets that were repeatable/clear (albeit exceptionally weak) on the F75............. and the R1 would find/report most of these targets. A few were too broken up...... too weak that I would have not recovered. With the R2........ there were several fringe depth targets (found with F75) that the R2 could not detect. These targets were 'just barely' out of detectable range.
In mild dirt...... the F75 does indeed have the depth advantage.

In unmasking scenarios ....... there were a handful more targets that the F75 would not 'target separate' (unmask)......... whereby, the R1 and (especially) the R2 would succeed.

Thanks Tom and Keith,

I can see from your info that I may find a use for both machines.

Thanks again,

John

I have the F75 LTD2 w/DST and the R2 (and R1).

IMHO they are very different machines. The F75 LTD2 definitely has more raw depth, yet the R1/R2 is a better unmasker.

I feel the Racer1/2 and F75 LTD2 compliment each other when you want to clean out a site. BUT if you only have one chance at a site, I would probably reach for the Racer, as the F75 will leave more targets behind, particularly shallow to mid masked targets.

I should note that dirt in California has mild to extreme mineralization.

I have the Racer 2 and a Teknetics T2SE non-DST and I do not plan on selling the T2 nor do I plan on the DST upgrade. I like that unit the way it is. I like its balance better than my Racer 2, I like its All-Metal mode better. I feel it has a slight depth advantage in my mild Massachusetts soil than my Racer 2. It also does not seem to be affected as much by air gap between the coil and the ground. For me it's a scouting machine because of this, and it's suburb balance, once I find a heavy iron site with my T2SE, I will come back with my Racer 2.

Jressman Wrote:
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> I have the Racer 2 and a Teknetics T2SE non-DST
> and I do not plan on selling the T2 nor do I plan
> on the DST upgrade. I like that unit the way it
> is. I like its balance better than my Racer 2, I
> like its All-Metal mode better. I feel it has a
> slight depth advantage in my mild Massachusetts
> soil than my Racer 2. It also does not seem to be
> affected as much by air gap between the coil and
> the ground. For me it's a scouting machine because
> of this, and it's suburb balance, once I find a
> heavy iron site with my T2SE, I will come back
> with my Racer 2

Sounds like you have a concrete attack plan--- very good.

A good scouter is good to have-- one that is comfortable no doubt.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Jressman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have the Racer 2 and a Teknetics T2SE non-DST
> > and I do not plan on selling the T2 nor do I
> plan
> > on the DST upgrade. I like that unit the way it
> > is. I like its balance better than my Racer 2,
> I
> > like its All-Metal mode better. I feel it has a
> > slight depth advantage in my mild Massachusetts
> > soil than my Racer 2. It also does not seem to
> be
> > affected as much by air gap between the coil
> and
> > the ground. For me it's a scouting machine
> because
> > of this, and it's suburb balance, once I find a
> > heavy iron site with my T2SE, I will come back
> > with my Racer 2
>
> Sounds like you have a concrete attack plan---
> very good.
>
> A good scouter is good to have-- one that is
> comfortable no doubt.

Thanks guys for talking me into keeping the F75 dst. I really like that machine and needed an excuse to keep it. I got a few reasons now.
Thanks

HH
John