Was thinking of an MXT......

[youtu.be]

Till i seen this whites video........

What you have to remember is that video is set up to make the MX Sport look Good, .


good luck.

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 12:55PM by auminesweeper.

To be honest i didn't like any of them, and the MXT air tested a 12" nickle and 9.5" quarter, then knock of a couple of inches for in ground targets, and did you see it with the coin and nail test?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 09:02AM by ghound.

ghound Wrote:
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> To be honest i didn't like any of them, and the
> MXT air tested a 12" nickle and 9.5" quarter, then
> knock of a couple of inches for in ground targets?

What you are seeing is not quite true, The MXT Air tests a Quarter between 12 and 12.5 inches, and if I changes my coil it will see it at 15.5 inches.

Even with the standard coil using the 3 Tone set up it will signal it up to 21 inches and with bigger coils it will go out to about 28 inches, if you watch it again at the end you see that they changed the setting to the relic mode and on the recovery test the signal that you hear is in fact the signal from the Coin NOT the Nail.


John



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 12:50PM by auminesweeper.

It's White's own video John, what sort of manufacturer makes a bad video of their product? put the link up of the video you have.

ghound Wrote:
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> It's White's own video John, what sort of
> manufacturer makes a bad video of their product?
> put the link up of the video you have.
Look mate I have ripped Whites apart over that Video and they had no come back because they Know the truth, But to be fair to Whites, You have to realize that they are trying to market a new machine and need to make it look Good,

Don't Take my word for it about how Good the MXT is, Because it makes no difference to me if you buy one or not because I have nothing to Gain from it, But as of yet there is Not One Machine out there that that can match it in All departments, There is a Good reason as to why they have been making the MXT for over 16 Years and Why it is the Highest Selling detector of All Time and it has found more Gold than any other machine out there because of it's Long livety

Don't take my word as fact, Read what KEITH says here, [www.dankowskidetectors.com]

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 09:33AM by auminesweeper.

Why would they want to make the MXT look so bad? I've never used one, though...

John, Keith was talking about it as a relic hunter etc probably not the smaller coins the White's tested it with, maybe there's other members on here who swing the MXT who think it does better than the video suggests?
What could they have done different settings wise John to show it better on the coins and the coin with nail? I may be wrong but i believe a detector won't go deeper in ground than in air?

Detectorist Wrote:
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> Why would they want to make the MXT look so bad?
> I've never used one, though...

Here's Keiths thoughts about the MXS he bought a month ago [www.dankowskidetectors.com]

In the past year I have bought 5 Whites Machines and I have been using the MXT's for 6 and a half years and the first one I replace was my MXT so the new one is under Guarantee, But I will give you One Guess as to which Whites Machines That I do Not Own.

John.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 12:54PM by auminesweeper.

While everyone is talking about all the merits and virtues of each machine under test bed conditions,each days for the last few weeks have been out 'actual' detecting and enjoying it,being out in the fields detecting is far more fun than testing

ghound Wrote:
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> John, Keith was talking about it as a relic hunter
> etc probably not the smaller coins the White's
> tested it with, maybe there's other members on
> here who swing the MXT who think it does better
> than the video suggests?
> What could they have done different settings wise
> John to show it better on the coins and the coin
> with nail? I may be wrong but i believe a detector
> won't go deeper in ground than in air?

Yes Keith was talking about Relic hunting, The Relic mode can be used for coin hunting as any of it's modes can, In that Video they ran the MXS flat out so it was falseing and they ran the MXT at it's pre set marks,

Using the standard 950 coil I dig UK half penny's at over 12" and penny's close to 14" with the 12" Coil and the Gain set between 6 to 7, " I still have 6 more Numbers to Go",

There are possibly 2 machines that I know that can match the MXT's depth 100% of the time, they are the Whites 5900Di Series and the 6000 Series. and in Good Ground it will even out run the TDI when matched with equal Coils, From what I have seen with the Detectors I have owned over the years There Is One Detector and that is the MXT and all the others were / Are just Accessories.

If there was any thing better I would own it and all those that have come out in the past few years are just a rehash of what the MXT already has, The Laws of Physics dictates what a detector can do not Detector Companies and all those companies can do is operate within those laws right up to the Boundrie's and the MXT Does Just That.

Like I said if there was any thing better I would Own It.

John.

Is that the 950 coil there using, thought i heard him say the MXT was opened right up and this was it's full potential?
I just don't think anyone could argue the guy's at White's don't know how to run their own detectors flat out?
It's not that i don't believe you John, nor am i trying to grind your gears, it's just that this video is from the 'horses mouth' yet your saying it's unmatched in every department by any other detector, but as yet your not able to back that up with any video evidence (yours or someone elses) just your say so. lol

ghound Wrote:
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> Is that the 950 coil there using, thought i heard
> him say the MXT was opened right up and this was
> it's full potential?
> I just don't think anyone could argue the guy's at
> White's don't know how to run their own detectors
> flat out?
> It's not that i don't believe you John, nor am i
> trying to grind your gears, it's just that this
> video is from the 'horses mouth' yet your saying
> it's unmatched in every department by any other
> detector, but as yet your not able to back that up
> with any video evidence (yours or someone elses)
> just your say so. lol

I can Back up the recovery separation Video as I said I have a Video of it seeing a US Quarter and my Coin was a lot closer than 6 inches and I will try to sort out a Video of the distance, The Coil fitted to the MXT is the 10" DD Coil.



In the default Relic mode that machine will see that Quarter at a "GUARANTEED" 12" and the MXT loose very little depth when in the Ground, One thing to remember is the US Quarter is one of the hardest coins on the planet for a Detector to pick up, Any UK / Irish Coins will be found very deep,

Whites goal in that Video is to promote how good their new machine is,

The truth is the MXT can run with the pack and it will be a long time before we see anything as revolutionary in the foreseeable future.

.You started a thread loaded with fish hooks and you seem to be impressed by a machine that's has had many issue's, Even to the point of having to be taken off the Market. The MXT has earn't it's Place in History and as posted elsewhere It is a Legend and has Iconic Status.

If you like it Buy it,

Go and read both of them Links again,


[www.dankowskidetectors.com]

[www.dankowskidetectors.com]



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 01:00PM by auminesweeper.

John, i don't know why you don't own an MXS, should i know why, is it important develpoment in the world of metal detecting that you don't own one?
I never said i was impressed by the MXS, i said i didnt like any of the 3 of them.
I'm not slagging the detector off, I'm slagging you off because your stating a lot of facts but are unable to back them up lol
Im not sure who the young guy is in the video either, maybe he's just a dopey an electronics engineer ( he doesn't look much older than Makro's engineer though) but im sure one of the White's elder experts would have OK'd the video before release, and if you think you know the machine better than the manufacturer then that's fine and i can understand that because i think i could ride a motogp bike quicker then Valentino Rossi, i just know i can!!
Anyways im off out for a hunt to try out my new coil, enjoy your day mate.

ghound Wrote:
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> John, i don't know why you don't own an MXS,
> should i know why, is it important develpoment in
> the world of metal detecting that you don't own
> one?
> I never said i was impressed by the MXS, i said i
> didnt like any of the 3 of them.
> I'm not slagging the detector off, I'm slagging
> you off because your stating a lot of facts but
> are unable to back them up lol
> Im not sure who the young guy is in the video
> either, maybe he's just a dopey an electronics
> engineer ( he doesn't look much older than Makro's
> engineer though) but im sure one of the White's
> elder experts would have OK'd the video before
> release, and if you think you know the machine
> better than the manufacturer then that's fine and
> i can understand that because i think i could ride
> a motogp bike quicker then Valentino Rossi, i just
> know i can!!
> Anyways im off out for a hunt to try out my new
> coil, enjoy your day mate.

EDIT,

Actually I think your post is pretty Rude, You just started a thread about one of the greatest machines ever made, And one that I have over 5 to 6000 hours invested in,,, The recovery and separation of the MXT is way closer than the 6 inches the guy quotes in the Video even using the standard 10" DD Coil.


I thought you wanted honest replies, Of which I gave, I also have a Video of how close to nails the MXT will pick out Coins and it picks up and reports every target/Metal item.

John.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 01:02PM by auminesweeper.

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Detectorist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why would they want to make the MXT look so
> bad?
> > I've never used one, though...
>
> Because they tried to compare it to the XP Deus
> and the AT Pro and that did not work out too well
> for them, And they needed to Show the MXS in a
> good light, and another thing you missed in that
> Video was they even tried to make the MXT look bad
> when compared to the MX-5, So ask your self this "
> If the MX-5" is a better Machine than the MXT why
> does the MXT cost about $400.00 more +/-,
>
> Here's Keiths thoughts about the MXS he bought a
> month ago
> [www.dankowskidetectors.com]
> .php?2,112946,113159#msg-113159
>
> In the past year I have bought 5 Whites Machines
> and I have been using the MXT's for 6 and a half
> years and the first one I replace was my MXT so
> the new one is under Guarantee, But I will give
> you One Guess as to which Whites Machines That I
> do Not Own.
>
> John.


You know something? I've never used an MXT. As a matter of fact, I had another non metered detector some time ago and invited a friend to compete against it. The MXT didn't have the depth or the target separation my detector had....

It's obvious from the video that White's was trying to make the MXT look bad. If they were such a great company, they wouldn't do that.

My first time out with the MX Sport...I detected a small 25'X25' area where I had found 9 .69 CW bullets with my AT Pro. I had pounded that site 2 more times with the AT Pro and didn't find anything else. I later pounded that small area at least twice with a Fors Core and didn't find anything. Same with a EuroTek Pro. Nothing. So I then go to that same small area with the MX Sport. Didn't read the instructions or anything, and I find 2 more CW bullets. That there tells me something.

I like what Keith writes about different detectors but he's not the resident expert on the MX Pro. I think this thing has amazing depth and target separation seen in few detectors. So far I've only used the C&J mode.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> You know something? I've never used an MXT. As a
> matter of fact, I had another non metered detector
> some time ago and invited a friend to compete
> against it. The MXT didn't have the depth or the
> target separation my detector had....
>
> It's obvious from the video that White's was
> trying to make the MXT look bad. If they were such
> a great company, they wouldn't do that.
>
> My first time out with the MX Sport...I detected a
> small 25'X25' area where I had found 9 .69 CW
> bullets with my AT Pro. I had pounded that site 2
> more times with the AT Pro and didn't find
> anything else. I later pounded that small area at
> least twice with a Fors Core and didn't find
> anything. Same with a EuroTek Pro. Nothing. So I
> then go to that same small area with the MX Sport.
> Didn't read the instructions or anything, and I
> find 2 more CW bullets. That there tells me
> something.
>
> I like what Keith writes about different detectors
> but he's not the resident expert on the MX Pro. I
> think this thing has amazing depth and target
> separation seen in few detectors. So far I've only
> used the C&J mode.

When you talk about separation what exactly are you talking about or referring to ?

John



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auminesweeper Wrote:
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> Detectorist Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > You know something? I've never used an MXT. As
> a
> > matter of fact, I had another non metered
> detector
> > some time ago and invited a friend to compete
> > against it. The MXT didn't have the depth or
> the
> > target separation my detector had....
> >
> > It's obvious from the video that White's was
> > trying to make the MXT look bad. If they were
> such
> > a great company, they wouldn't do that.
> >
> > My first time out with the MX Sport...I detected
> a
> > small 25'X25' area where I had found 9 .69 CW
> > bullets with my AT Pro. I had pounded that site
> 2
> > more times with the AT Pro and didn't find
> > anything else. I later pounded that small area
> at
> > least twice with a Fors Core and didn't find
> > anything. Same with a EuroTek Pro. Nothing. So
> I
> > then go to that same small area with the MX
> Sport.
> > Didn't read the instructions or anything, and I
> > find 2 more CW bullets. That there tells me
> > something.
> >
> > I like what Keith writes about different
> detectors
> > but he's not the resident expert on the MX Pro.
> I
> > think this thing has amazing depth and target
> > separation seen in few detectors. So far I've
> only
> > used the C&J mode.
>
> When you talk about separation what exactly are
> you talking about or referring to ?
>
> John

I just realized something. Are you in G.B.?

When I talk about separation I mean separation of good targets VS bad. To me it's important to be able to sort through lots of aluminum/tin/iron trash. That's the environment I normally detect in.

The tests we performed between my detector, a Troy Shadow X5 and the MXT showed me that the MXT didn't have the quick response I needed at that time.

The MX Sport sounds a little weird. It has great separation but when there is trash present the good tone has a slight delay. It's hard to explain.

Come on John, post the MXT video you have on coin-nail separation!

[youtu.be]

Probably one of the more recent videos of the MXT, soild performer.

Detectorist Wrote:
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> auminesweeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Detectorist Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > You know something? I've never used an MXT.
> As
> > a
> > > matter of fact, I had another non metered
> > detector
> > > some time ago and invited a friend to compete
> > > against it. The MXT didn't have the depth or
> > the
> > > target separation my detector had....
> > >
> > > It's obvious from the video that White's was
> > > trying to make the MXT look bad. If they were
> > such
> > > a great company, they wouldn't do that.
> > >
> > > My first time out with the MX Sport...I
> detected
> > a
> > > small 25'X25' area where I had found 9 .69 CW
> > > bullets with my AT Pro. I had pounded that
> site
> > 2
> > > more times with the AT Pro and didn't find
> > > anything else. I later pounded that small
> area
> > at
> > > least twice with a Fors Core and didn't find
> > > anything. Same with a EuroTek Pro. Nothing.
> So
> > I
> > > then go to that same small area with the MX
> > Sport.
> > > Didn't read the instructions or anything, and
> I
> > > find 2 more CW bullets. That there tells me
> > > something.
> > >
> > > I like what Keith writes about different
> > detectors
> > > but he's not the resident expert on the MX
> Pro.
> > I
> > > think this thing has amazing depth and target
> > > separation seen in few detectors. So far I've
> > only
> > > used the C&J mode.
> >
> > When you talk about separation what exactly are
> > you talking about or referring to ?
> >
> > John
>
> I just realized something. Are you in G.B.?
>
> When I talk about separation I mean separation of
> good targets VS bad. To me it's important to be
> able to sort through lots of aluminum/tin/iron
> trash. That's the environment I normally detect
> in.
>
> The tests we performed between my detector, a Troy
> Shadow X5 and the MXT showed me that the MXT
> didn't have the quick response I needed at that
> time.
>
> The MX Sport sounds a little weird. It has great
> separation but when there is trash present the
> good tone has a slight delay. It's hard to
> explain

Well I don't know why their machine (MXT) was not separating fast enough because mine is exceptionally fast to the point it sounds like a machine gun when it passes over the targets, and I use mine in sites that date back to pre Roman Times, So there is metal junk in the ground from at leased the past 2000 years and in fact it dates back to the Neolithic times from about 10,200 BC around 4500 BC because there is very Old Flint workings in the same area (Field) So man has been there ever since metal was invented,

If the MXT is not separating such metals then that is either down to a fault with the machine or the person using it,

As for the depth that can be down to high mineralization or the person not setting the machine up correctly, I do not normally run my machine hot but I dig coins over 12" using the pre set marks or just a bit higher but I never run it flat out and using the 12"/300 Coil it will hit coins at over 13.5 inches with the gain set around 6 to 7, and some times it is easy to blind the machine using too much gain but by turning it dowm it allows the faint signals to come through, You can run it up high but that can work against you as well a lot like Head lights when driving in the Fog, The MXT will tell you if the Gain is up too high but it does not tell you what the Ideal Gain setting is and just by experimenting you can see just how low you can set the Gain and still dig deep targets. I know of people who have dug a 1ozt Gold Nugget at 18" inches with the MXT so bullets should not be a problem also the MXT is a favourite of Relic Hunters throughout the U.S.A. so like I said there is either a problem with the machine or the user and that could involve the right Coil selection.

ghound Wrote:
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> [youtu.be]
>
> Probably one of the more recent videos of the MXT,
> soild performer.

when the MXT's Gain is set to the pre set mark it is only operating at half of it's full power so he does not even have it set right up or flat out.



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Yes a bit weird as it couldn't hit the quarter at 10" but was getting a sniff at 12", perhaps he forgot what was buried where.
Anyways, quarters are an easy target for most detectors these day's, what about that video you were going to share John?

No I am not posting it,

So far Keith has said how good the machine is.

I have told you what it can do.

You insist that the young guy on the Video is right,

Gene has showed you in his Video what it can do and you make reference to him forgetting what is buried there,

The thing is it will report that coin a lot deeper than the quoted figures when fitted with the factory coil and It can do a lot more than people think.

And I am not posting my Video just to spend the next two days defending it, It is what it is, I have tried to help you with posting the facts about the machine, The rest is down to you..

auminesweeper Wrote:
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> No I am not posting it,
>
> So far Keith has said how good the machine is.
>
> I have told you what it can do.
>
> You insist that the young guy on the Video is
> right,
>
> Gene has showed you in his Video what it can do
> and you make reference to him forgetting what is
> buried there,
>
> The thing is it will report that coin a lot deeper
> than the quoted figures when fitted with the
> factory coil and It can do a lot more than people
> think.
>
> And I am not posting my Video just to spend the
> next two days defending it, It is what it is, I
> have tried to help you with posting the facts
> about the machine, The rest is down to you..

I do agree that White's is guilty of some hanky-panky with that video. The cheapest Bounty Hunter can do better than 6" target separation.

Re: Was thinking of an MXT......

Better hurry if you are.

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Re: Was thinking of an MXT......
>
> Better hurry if you are.
>
> Keith

That sounds like Whites are discontinuing it how sad if thats true.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Re: Was thinking of an MXT......
>
> Better hurry if you are.
>
> Keith

That will a sad day for Detecting if it is taken off the Current list, There will be a Huge shift to the Nokta Relic or the new one Nokta have coming out,

I like the design and features of the MXT, There is only a couple of things that would be useful and that is Manual Ground Balance and maybe a Volume Knob, other than that there is very little else required apart from a Rotary knob frequency shift because the machine is so popular it would help when a few folks are working together.


Time will tell.

John.



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Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Re: Was thinking of an MXT......
>
> Better hurry if you are.
>
> Keith


I don't want the ordinary MXT that Whites sell anyway, i want one like John's, you know, the magic one, the one with no equal in any department.....

ghound Wrote:
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> Keith Southern Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Re: Was thinking of an MXT......
> >
> > Better hurry if you are.
> >
> > Keith
>
>
> I don't want the ordinary MXT that Whites sell
> anyway, i want one like John's, you know, the
> magic one, the one with no equal in any
> department.....

There is no magic about my MXT, It is just as standard machine that anyone can Buy, even you.

and the key to the MXT is don't over think it, Unlike the V3i adjust one thing and the whole program goes out the window, With the MXT there are no cause and effect Clauses, because every control works independently of each Other, Unlike the V3i, CTX and the XP machine or the Minelab GPX etc,

There are only Two machines that operate like that and they are the MXT and the GMT and a few of the Tesoro's, and although the TDI SL has knobs and switches, if you mess with the delay it effects sensitivity and the Disc and Depth, mess with the Ground balance and it effects the ID point and depth and the list goes on, That does not happen with the MXT, and machines like the CTX and the V3i are 10 times worse than the TDI SL,

So far I have seen These Computer geeks **** every Hobby I have ever had, It is not progress to make a detector have adverse effects because of conflicting software, and these companies can make it work properly because although the MXT looks Analogue it is a Digital machine and with detecting there is no reason what so ever to make it any more complicated than it is with the MXT for a simple reason, It Works and that is all that is needed, There are three major request for detector and they are Depth and Discrimination and ground handling abilities.

People look at the MXT and think it looks old, But machines like the MXS has 9 mode, Now when you look at the MXT you see Three modes, But that is Only on the surface, and the deeper you look the more you see,

You have 3 primary Modes with 7 Sub modes within the Tracking Mode, and 7 Sub Modes within the SALT Mode and the Ability to lock any of those 14 Sub Modes and the Pin Point Modes along with the VCO /Pin Point Lock Mode, so depending how you want to look at it you have up to 30 variations to choose from by just using pre sets. But I think 16 settings would be more realistic.

And every one of those Modes are 100% Adjustable because of the rotary controls where as push pads have pre set steps so if a target falls between or within those steps then it is lost for ever.



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