New - EQUINOX Series Detectors - Coming Soon! - UPDATE

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I really like the "coming soon". A quick read and its more cheese for the rats. Screen layout at best. lol

man the 600 is a great deal for non-prospectors. thats what I'll get.

Wish they would have ghave the target ID go to 99 instead of 40...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Software upgradeable via USB port.
3 yr warrantee
tone break.
I wonder what the 5Fx8 is under technologies?
Itchin to try it !

possum mo Wrote:
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> Software upgradeable via USB port.
> 3 yr warrantee
> tone break.
> I wonder what the 5Fx8 is under technologies?
> Itchin to try it !


5 frequencies time 8 range (5-40)

the 600 is 3fx3

I wonder why they went with 40 segment ID too...like Keith said, why not 99?

To me, that makes me think it will have a tendency to lump a lot of targets in under the same ID range. Remember the original red Racer and those low 80s numbers? Everything seemed to fall in under those numbers. I guess in a way that's good and bad. You dig a lot more junk targets, but in turn, probably dig more good too.

Kind of follows the CTX I am guessing.
They should of did 1 to 50 so targets could match up with the CTX.

• Ferrous property – a number from 1 to 35
• Conductive property – a number from 1 to 50


Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I wonder why they went with 40 segment ID too...li
> ke Keith said, why not 99?
>
> To me, that makes me think it will have a tendency
> to lump a lot of targets in under the same ID rang
> e. Remember the original red Racer and those low
> 80s numbers? Everything seemed to fall in under t
> hose numbers. I guess in a way that's good and ba
> d. You dig a lot more junk targets, but in turn,
> probably dig more good too.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2017 03:19AM by GreenMeanie.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> I wonder why they went with 40 segment ID too...li
> ke Keith said, why not 99?
>
> To me, that makes me think it will have a tendency
> to lump a lot of targets in under the same ID rang
> e. Remember the original red Racer and those low
> 80s numbers? Everything seemed to fall in under t
> hose numbers. I guess in a way that's good and ba
> d. You dig a lot more junk targets, but in turn,
> probably dig more good too.

Isn't it the same ID system as the X-terra?

possum mo Wrote:
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> I wonder what the 5Fx8 is under technologies?
> Itchin to try it !




5Fx8 - EQUINOX 800 offers 5 single frequencies of 5, 10, 15, 20 and 40 kHz, giving an expanded 8-times range of 5 to 40 kHz

3Fx3 - EQUINOX 600 offers 5 single frequencies of 5, 10, and 15 kHz, giving an expanded 3-times range of 5 to 15 kHz

Looks like Minelab's about ready to start shipping these bad boys, hope they work well for all that are getting in on them.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2017 03:25AM by Cal_cobra.

I was hoping for them to follow the CTX CO numbers.
Bummer

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> possum mo Wrote:
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> > I wonder what the 5Fx8 is under technologies?
> > Itchin to try it !
>
>
>
>
> 5Fx8 - EQUINOX 800 offers 5 single frequencies of
> 5, 10, 15, 20 and 40 kHz, giving an expanded 8-tim
> es range of 5 to 40 kHz
>
> 3Fx3 - EQUINOX 600 offers 5 single frequencies of
> 5, 10, and 15 kHz, giving an expanded 3-times rang
> e of 5 to 15 kHz
>
> Looks like Minelab's about ready to start shipping
> these bad boys, hope they work well for all that a
> re getting in on them.


I'm betting the videos are about to start hitting YT pretty quick.

Good quasi-data sheet comparison between the Nox 600 & 800 on page 4:

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BTW - One thing I was really interested in was the prospecting mode. It was said by Minelab at Detectaval that the Nox 800's prospecting mode (even though it wasn't ready on their prototype unit) was a Multi-frequency mode.

Now the Minelab site is contradicting this statement in two different statements on their site:

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Minelab
Gold Mode operates the high single frequencies of either 20 kHz or 40 kHz to detect gold nuggets in mineralised soils.

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Minelab
Good for gold nugget prospecting: This mode operates high single frequencies of 20 or 40 kHz, optimum for gold targets.

Although I suspect that 40 kHz will do well, I'd hoped they had something a bit more innovative for their prospecting mode. Perhaps the Beach Mode (multi freq only) incorporates 40 kHz into the mix?

Cal_cobra Wrote:
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> Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> > I wonder why they went with 40 segment ID too...
> li
> > ke Keith said, why not 99?
> >
> > To me, that makes me think it will have a tenden
> cy
> > to lump a lot of targets in under the same ID ra
> ng
> > e. Remember the original red Racer and those lo
> w
> > 80s numbers? Everything seemed to fall in under
> t
> > hose numbers. I guess in a way that's good and
> ba
> > d. You dig a lot more junk targets, but in turn
> ,
> > probably dig more good too.
>
> Isn't it the same ID system as the X-terra?

Xterra uses even numbers to 48. So if every number to 40 is will have better id resolution.

Maybe it will be similar to safari or explorer co?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/08/2017 01:26PM by detectingMO.

Man, That TID range really bums me out. 50 segments is low resolution, not high resolution. If those segments are linear, I see a lot of lumping targets together. Ok on the beach, because I pretty much dig it all there but frustrating in a park. First thing I have seen about this detector that makes me hesitant.....

On the Xterra 705 with only 28 target ID's it actually does a pretty darn good job with ID. It will probably be a little smooshed on ID on the high end like other 40 scale minelab but you never know. That 600 is a killer deal. You get the same Multi, just not the 20 and 40 single freq. Can add your own atpx headphones later if you want wireless and not have to pay the $250 premium for a module and set from minelab. I'm a modern park coin hunter though.

Cal...... with any beach mode you have a SALT setting, that would kill any small raw gold hunting. Much better in single freq mode.

Most likely a low iron resolution. You will dig more junk, however, it does provide opportunities to dig unusual things.

Hi Res will be coming out next year with the introduction of the 1000 model. 2 gold modes starting at 1299.00 w/wireless. lol

I think I remember hearing a new form of disc? Hmm that disc range is low unless there’s something they haven’t released yet? Won’t be long now! I definitely see a higher end Equinox coming down the road in the future also.

John

Well, how much resolution do we REALLY need? From my ctx3030, I think I saw displayed on the conductive range 1-48. Thats just 8 points off. I am sure there will be some "sharing" going on, but I don't think it will be like, pennies dimes sharing the same TID. Now as for the ferrous range, that was a big helper and I don't know IF it is no longer needed or wont compensate with this models design.

GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> Kind of follows the CTX I am guessing.
> They should of did 1 to 50 so targets could match
> up with the CTX.
>
> • Ferrous property – a number from 1 to 35
> • Conductive property – a number from 1 to 50
>

I don't have a CTX to compare, but it looks like there are more than 40 on the Equinox to me... 50 = -9 to 0 and 1 to 40 and 50 matching notch segments, or am I missing something?

coherent Wrote:
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> GreenMeanie Wrote:
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> > Kind of follows the CTX I am guessing.
> > They should of did 1 to 50 so targets could matc
> h
> > up with the CTX.
> >
> > • Ferrous property – a number from 1 to 35
> > • Conductive property – a number from 1 to 50
> >
>
> I don't have a CTX to compare, but it looks like t
> here are more than 40 on the Equinox to me... 50 =
> -9 to 0 and 1 to 40 and 50 matching notch segments
> , or am I missing something?

coherent you're correct on the TID segments as per the Equinox brochure that Minelab posted yesterday on their site, but is now mysteriously absent from their website

On the Ctx you have both parameters of the tdi displayed, correct? So, although you have 48 segments of conductivity, those segments are paired with an additional number to give additional information, thus giving you much greater than the 48 segments. When park hunting, resolution can be the difference between digging up a bunch of aluminum screw caps and digging up a bunch of coins. One of my detectors has 100 segments of TDI, the other has 190 segments of TDI. The higher resolution detector allows me to id most of the screw caps at a tdi of 70. Zlincolns can be as high as 68-69. Copper pennies are 72-74. The other detector lumps the screw tops in with the pennies. Guess which detector goes to the park....

Yes, dig it all gives some great finds, along with a lot of trash. In a park, the trash is nearly overwhelming in many places. Dig it all is just not an option I am willing to entertain. I don't think the public would appreciate it either. Heres hoping the 800 has some tricks up its sleeve to overcome what I see as low resolution.

Flbchbm Wrote:
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> Man, That TID range really bums me out. 50 segment
> s is low resolution, not high resolution. If those
> segments are linear, I see a lot of lumping target
> s together. Ok on the beach, because I pretty much
> dig it all there but frustrating in a park. First
> thing I have seen about this detector that makes m
> e hesitant.....

with a 'lower resolution, it will appear to be more stable, less bouncing of numbers on the digital display. This would go hand in hand with the 'increased target ID accuracy' that Minelab is touting for the equinox and the MultiIQ technology. Remember the old Sovereign and the 550 meters? VERY high resolution, but Bouncy. The 180 appeared to be MUCH more stable. Even moreso with a 0-99 scale. The specs shown above have 50 segments; negative numbers on the scale representing iron, -9 to 0, and 1-40 for conductive items. Target ID should be super stable visually.

I'm curious if there is enough 'resolution' to separate cu cents, clad & silver dimes/quarters.


Rich -

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Just one more good target before I go.

Gonebeepin' Wrote:
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> Flbchbm Wrote:
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> > Man, That TID range really bums me out. 50 segme
> nt
> > s is low resolution, not high resolution. If tho
> se
> > segments are linear, I see a lot of lumping targ
> et
> > s together. Ok on the beach, because I pretty mu
> ch
> > dig it all there but frustrating in a park. Firs
> t
> > thing I have seen about this detector that makes
> m
> > e hesitant.....
>
> with a 'lower resolution, it will appear to be mo
> re stable, less bouncing of numbers on the digital
> display. This would go hand in hand with the 'incr
> eased target ID accuracy' that Minelab is touting
> for the equinox and the MultiIQ technology. Rememb
> er the old Sovereign and the 550 meters? VERY high
> resolution, but Bouncy. The 180 appeared to be MUC
> H more stable. Even moreso with a 0-99 scale. The
> specs shown above have 50 segments; negative numbe
> rs on the scale representing iron, -9 to 0, and 1-
> 40 for conductive items. Target ID should be super
> stable visually.
>
> I'm curious if there is enough 'resolution' to sep
> arate cu cents, clad & silver dimes/quarters.
>
>
> Rich -

Of course you have to remember the difference between accuracy and precision. They are claiming an accurate target ID. Even with only 40 non-ferrous ID numbers, if they are accurate (and stable), which Minelab is claiming, then that should be plenty good enough. 180 ID numbers is precise, but those numbers are useless without the accuracy to go with it.

The proof will be in the pudding. Here's hoping the TID does what I need it to do. Or that the frequency choices give me some advantage that offsets the lower TID resolution. Overall, I really like the design. Looking forward to getting my hands on one and wringing it out.

Gonebeepin', you are definitely right. A 40 segment scale will give a more stable TID than a 95 segment scale by 95/40 times or.....2.4 ish times. Wayfarer, assuming that the detectors are using comparable scales, precision is what I need to separate the aluminum screw cap from the penny. Accuracy isn't good enough in this case. Or maybe it is......we will see.

Thought I would let you all know the color brochure is back for download. There was a tiny error in the spec sheet posted previously above - see if you can spot it.

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I find this interesting,,,,the discrimination ratings in the detector comparison

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