Nokta Impact

argyle Wrote:
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> (1)We send them a test unit and that is it!
>
> Really Dilek? Hold on, aren't they promised free
> future units and coils? As well as free full
> production units and coils after the initial
> prototypes are tested?
>
> (2)They are not in any way promised anything.
>
> Really Dilek? But in your post you say Yes, they
> are promised free units. See, look, number 4
> below.
>
> (3)None of them so far has demanded any free goods
> from our company either.
>
> Why would they demand anything free, you've
> already given them thousands of dollars worth of
> detectors and coils, with the Promise of more to
> follow.
>
> (4)Are they promised of free units? Yes.
>
> There you go Dilek, while it may be a complete
> turn around on what you said before about them
> being "not in any way promised anything", at least
> you finally stated some truth.
>
> So Keith, Tom, Monte, Steve and anyone else
> involved in the Cash for Comment partnership with
> Nokta/Makro, how about you all step up to the
> plate and divulge the amount of retail money you
> have earnt since the first unit and coils were
> given to you free.
>
> At least that way, anyone reading a post or
> watching a clip made by you, would at least know
> that there is an quite an invested interest on
> your part in talking a unit up.
>
> Cash for Comments....not the most honest way to do
> business. But who really cares nowadays eh...
>
> As for the units themselves. They are good
> machines, in a couple of cases great machines, and
> certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided
> field tests that have been going on.
>
> Shame on you Nokta/Makro, and shame on you Dilek.
> By the way, how are the Long Range Locators
> selling these days Dilek? Still moving along
> nicely, or are those not in your department.

Long Range Locators lmao

I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone, but an unwarranted, delusional attack of a 1) great company who is very much about customer feedback and 2) highly competent/qualified users who are kind enough to spend their time not only helping us but helping the company improve the product is ludicrous. I suppose the moon is full regardless of where you live.

I appreciate the efforts of both Makro/Nokta and Tom, Keith, Monte, and anyone I missed regarding this detector and the others.

Wow.

And you wonder why you keep getting banned from forums...

I could help explain it to you...but deep down, I suspect you're doing it on purpose, just for fun.

Really...... This post still here, for what reason..... Delete it all.

"As for the units themselves. They are good machines, in a couple of cases great machines, and certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided field tests that have been going on."

I think you have lost touch with reality.

Ziggy Wrote:
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> Really...... This post still here, for what
> reason..... Delete it all.


2xs that

Dudes either DELUSIONAL/JEALOUS/DISGRUNTLED for whatever reason/s

or

he's a dealer of other units (manufacturers) but seeing his sales be lost to N/M units and so he's here just to stir the pot/down put them to try and skew people's perception of Nokta/Makro units in hopes they will choose to buy whatever HE's selling/trying to sell

or

both



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2016 12:49AM by MichiganRelicHunter.

Just ignore him dilek he isn't worth your time. He is an example of a old saying ignorance can be helped but you can't fix stupid

That's the problem with people. Some gripe no matter what. This company has gone out of their way to have a dialogue with its base and allow enough info to roll out for detectorists to make an informed decision almost site unseen. It's not just above, the paragraphs about how companies "ought" to run their business are ridiculous. Traditionally the great thing about this forum is being able to cut through the BS and affiliations and talk metal detectors and the technology they employ. With straight shooters. Too many threads get bogged down with arm chair ceo's posting paragraph after paragraph of noise.

sanjuro you are way out of line..testers are asked from different companies to do just that test....What is up with your attitude it really sucks...

LowBoy

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Man did he get out on the wrong side of the bed! I can't express how much entertainment this forum gives me not to mention a more successful hunter. JR

"That's the problem with people. Some gripe no matter what."

it's human nature to disagree and protest or complain. It's only really a problem, with people who don't understand that. My job is to listen to rich Doctors complain all day. Do they have the right to complain? Sure. Should they? In my point of view, no. In there's, you better believe they do! I had a Doctor, no word of lie, complain about a 39 cent shipping charge. No BS. So you learn to deal with complainers, or get away from them.

"It's not just above, the paragraphs about how companies "ought" to run their business are ridiculous."

I disagree. I think input from customers is invaluable, and only someone that doesn't understand business, would ignore their customers. "Some people, can be right, all of them can't be wrong".

"Too many threads get bogged down with arm chair ceo's posting paragraph after paragraph of noise."

Then I suggest you don't read them. The president thread is nothing i am interested in, so i didn't read it. ANY input about metal detecting, from company polices, detecting skills, finds, laws, are important topics. To me, they are chances to learn something.

Beyonder you missed my point. I don't read threads if the title that has no interest to me. But threads about specific, fairly on point topics too often get flooded with people bitching a bunch of nonsense, usually consisting of the prerequisite jab at a first texas or whites. You couldn't wade through new info about the mx sport for the gripping about what whites ought to do from folks that set their mind on not getting it. Most of it not even related to a machine or detecting.

I see. Posts that start out MD related and end up something different. Yea I hate that too.

argyle Wrote:
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> (1)We send them a test unit and that is it!
>
> Really Dilek? Hold on, aren't they promised free
> future units and coils? As well as free full
> production units and coils after the initial
> prototypes are tested?
>
> (2)They are not in any way promised anything.
>
> Really Dilek? But in your post you say Yes, they
> are promised free units. See, look, number 4
> below.
>
> (3)None of them so far has demanded any free goods
> from our company either.
>
> Why would they demand anything free, you've
> already given them thousands of dollars worth of
> detectors and coils, with the Promise of more to
> follow.
>
> (4)Are they promised of free units? Yes.
>
> There you go Dilek, while it may be a complete
> turn around on what you said before about them
> being "not in any way promised anything", at least
> you finally stated some truth.
>
> So Keith, Tom, Monte, Steve and anyone else
> involved in the Cash for Comment partnership with
> Nokta/Makro, how about you all step up to the
> plate and divulge the amount of retail money you
> have earnt since the first unit and coils were
> given to you free.
>
> At least that way, anyone reading a post or
> watching a clip made by you, would at least know
> that there is an quite an invested interest on
> your part in talking a unit up.
>
> Cash for Comments....not the most honest way to do
> business. But who really cares nowadays eh...
>
> As for the units themselves. They are good
> machines, in a couple of cases great machines, and
> certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided
> field tests that have been going on.
>
> Shame on you Nokta/Makro, and shame on you Dilek.
> By the way, how are the Long Range Locators
> selling these days Dilek? Still moving along
> nicely, or are those not in your department.


Mr Argyle, I believe everyone else on this forum is clear about what my post meant.
I do not know who you are, what your goal or what the underlying reason for your attack is but I represent a manufacturer here. It would not be professional for me to get into further arguments so I will end this by saying that the performance of our devices or the growth of our company should not intimidate you. Competition is a good thing because it forces all manufacturers including us to offer better products for the community and benefits the end-users, to whom all manufacturers including us owe where we are today. You have every right not to like our company and/or products. If that is the case, just do not click on the Nokta/Makro threads or yet a better suggestion if you do not mind revealing who you are - contact me at dilek@noktadetectors.com or tel +90 541 860 4596 and let all your frustration out with the reasons and if there is anything that I can do to change your feelings, I will try my best to do it. If not, you could continue not liking us. This way we do not waste other valued members’ time at least.

What a wild thread. It makes that political thread look wholesome.

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I'm sure everybody appreciates the work of the beta testors, you know who you are. I've read a lot of metal detector reviews through the years even before the internet forums, mostly in Lost Treasure and W&E Treasures magazines. Never read a bad review in all of them treasure mags but at least you knew what to expect when you bought the machine that you read about....lol

The best of it.

I'll take honest reviews on the internet over a forced positive review in a magazine any day. I come here to this forum for one reason. To learn about detecting. The people that are mentioned in this thread are to me the teachers. I have been reading their posts and watching their videos for years. If asked a question they give honest answers. That is good enough for me. Free detectors? If the testers receive some sort of compensation for their time and opinions I could care less. Again those people mentioned know how to put a detector through it's paces and report back to have bad things corrected. That in the long run saves me and others money.

Thanks to Tom for leaving this up. It is along the lines of full disclosure in my opinion.

Nokta Detectors Wrote:
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> argyle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > (1)We send them a test unit and that is it!
> >
> > Really Dilek? Hold on, aren't they promised
> free
> > future units and coils? As well as free full
> > production units and coils after the initial
> > prototypes are tested?
> >
> > (2)They are not in any way promised anything.
> >
> > Really Dilek? But in your post you say Yes,
> they
> > are promised free units. See, look, number 4
> > below.
> >
> > (3)None of them so far has demanded any free
> goods
> > from our company either.
> >
> > Why would they demand anything free, you've
> > already given them thousands of dollars worth
> of
> > detectors and coils, with the Promise of more
> to
> > follow.
> >
> > (4)Are they promised of free units? Yes.
> >
> > There you go Dilek, while it may be a complete
> > turn around on what you said before about them
> > being "not in any way promised anything", at
> least
> > you finally stated some truth.
> >
> > So Keith, Tom, Monte, Steve and anyone else
> > involved in the Cash for Comment partnership
> with
> > Nokta/Makro, how about you all step up to the
> > plate and divulge the amount of retail money
> you
> > have earnt since the first unit and coils were
> > given to you free.
> >
> > At least that way, anyone reading a post or
> > watching a clip made by you, would at least
> know
> > that there is an quite an invested interest on
> > your part in talking a unit up.
> >
> > Cash for Comments....not the most honest way to
> do
> > business. But who really cares nowadays eh...
> >
> > As for the units themselves. They are good
> > machines, in a couple of cases great machines,
> and
> > certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided
> > field tests that have been going on.
> >
> > Shame on you Nokta/Makro, and shame on you
> Dilek.
> > By the way, how are the Long Range Locators
> > selling these days Dilek? Still moving along
> > nicely, or are those not in your department.
>
>
> Mr Argyle, I believe everyone else on this forum
> is clear about what my post meant.
> I do not know who you are, what your goal or what
> the underlying reason for your attack is but I
> represent a manufacturer here. It would not be
> professional for me to get into further arguments
> so I will end this by saying that the performance
> of our devices or the growth of our company should
> not intimidate you. Competition is a good thing
> because it forces all manufacturers including us
> to offer better products for the community and
> benefits the end-users, to whom all manufacturers
> including us owe where we are today. You have
> every right not to like our company and/or
> products. If that is the case, just do not click
> on the Nokta/Makro threads or yet a better
> suggestion if you do not mind revealing who you
> are - contact me at dilek@noktadetectors.com or
> tel +90 541 860 4596 and let all your frustration
> out with the reasons and if there is anything that
> I can do to change your feelings, I will try my
> best to do it. If not, you could continue not
> liking us. This way we do not waste other valued
> members’ time at least.


Well said Dilek!

Very well said Dilek!

Hey Argyle,

How about an honest review from you on some of your detectors you have.

Folks here talk about their detectors more or less everyday in some fashion.

Not everything about the Makro/Nokta detectors has been all peaches and cream--- according to the testers.

All you have to do is read and you will notice.

But many of the things noticed as shortfalls are being looked at and being worked by both the testers and the manufacturer---- kudos here are definitely deserved.

You have a beef with a detector--- by all means,,, constructively lay out what you see.

Personal attacks will not make any detector any better, or keep good lines of communications open.

I wished all manufacturers had a representative who frequents metal detecting forums and gives information--- and one who certainly doesn't get defensive when they are challenged-- as the case here with Dilek.

And let me finish by saying,,,

Allow me to comment about Mr Dankwoski.

His posting of detector tests.

I have never anywhere else really ever seen more detailed information presented.

He goes into great detail, comments often relate to a detector's strong suit, a detector's weak suit, EMI handling, he compares to some other detectors-- many cases other flagship detector(s) for the task at hand.

His talking about all this--- is very detailed,,, many characters typed --- his time given.

Any true detectorist who wants to expand their knowledge into the hobby-- SHOULD appreciate.

I know I do.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2016 01:15PM by tnsharpshooter.

argyle Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> (1)We send them a test unit and that is it!
>
> Really Dilek? Hold on, aren't they promised free
> future units and coils? As well as free full
> production units and coils after the initial
> prototypes are tested?
>
> (2)They are not in any way promised anything.
>
> Really Dilek? But in your post you say Yes, they
> are promised free units. See, look, number 4
> below.
>
> (3)None of them so far has demanded any free goods
> from our company either.
>
> Why would they demand anything free, you've
> already given them thousands of dollars worth of
> detectors and coils, with the Promise of more to
> follow.
>
> (4)Are they promised of free units? Yes.
>
> There you go Dilek, while it may be a complete
> turn around on what you said before about them
> being "not in any way promised anything", at least
> you finally stated some truth.
>
> So Keith, Tom, Monte, Steve and anyone else
> involved in the Cash for Comment partnership with
> Nokta/Makro, how about you all step up to the
> plate and divulge the amount of retail money you
> have earnt since the first unit and coils were
> given to you free.
>
> At least that way, anyone reading a post or
> watching a clip made by you, would at least know
> that there is an quite an invested interest on
> your part in talking a unit up.
>
> Cash for Comments....not the most honest way to do
> business. But who really cares nowadays eh...
>
> As for the units themselves. They are good
> machines, in a couple of cases great machines, and
> certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided
> field tests that have been going on.
>
> Shame on you Nokta/Makro, and shame on you Dilek.
> By the way, how are the Long Range Locators
> selling these days Dilek? Still moving along
> nicely, or are those not in your department.



You are truly a pathetic individual 'argyle' - in fact may I hasten to add, you are a complete idiot - the first I have ever met on this forum however if you pop yourself over to FMDF you will find plenty of like minded clowns that you can cuddle up to and share your concerns -

Amusing!

Lawrenzo Wrote:
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> sanjuro you are way out of line..testers are
> asked from different companies to do just that
> test....What is up with your attitude it really
> sucks...


I think you are getting me mixed up with Argyle he is the poster who is defaming Nokta/Keith/Tom/Monte all i did was laugh at Long Range Locators



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2016 06:14PM by sanjuro.

Seems this Impact thread has made quite the impact ..


Speaks Volumes!

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Having read the magnitude of reviews / videos concerning Nokta / Makro products, I do not see how the videos or information can be misguided. Videos do not lie and if the statements they (the beta tester) make (in a post) are considered a "lie" then they would certainly contradict the videos produced. I have watched countless videos and compare the "accused" written word to the videos and I do not see / hear discrepancies. I would like to have some examples pointed out if this indeed is the case. Please show me what I am missing.....where are the "skewed" results?

As far as "cash for comments" Whether it be with the above mentioned or any other manufacturer, if this were indeed the case, there would be a ton of end users that would be steaming angry. Why? Well, the end users would all be yelling and screaming on these forums that the detector in question is a piece of garbage and that the "reviewer" err in their report(s). I have not seen any of that. Quite the contrary actually. The only two "bad comments / reviews" if you will were the coil ear issue and "lumped" non-ferrous targets into one TID on Racer 1. Both of which have been addressed by the manufacturer. Can't ask for better customer service than this.

I do not know about anyone else, but I truly thank ALL and I mean ALL beta testers, reviewers, pre-testers, dedicated detectorists that that spend hours upon hours travelling and testing in the field, producing videos, answering the crap load of e-mails and other "inquiring minds" posts, (like mine ) time on the phone and / or emails with the manufacturer etc etc. All this massive information helps "boil" all these super choices down for me. How? you may ask? It saves me money (by not having to try it out and then maybe reselling it after realizing it just wasn't for me) It saves me a crap load of time = as I get to visually view each machine in action out in the field, making real world finds, the beta user describing detector features, showing what it can / can not do. I don't know about anyone else but isn't that so worth free equipment? If what they do for us isn't worth a free detector / coil, than what the h*ll is? I look at this whole situation like this: We all have real live beta testers that (yes, receive free equipment) and save me so much time & money I don't care if the manufacturing company fill their garages with every coil and machine available.


Nokta / Makro detectors are a super great addition to the detecting arena and (I feel) they are placing pressure and leveling the playing field (pun intended) on global metal detector manufacturers. What I am waiting for is the Nokta Impact!! Yaa!! I can feel it in my hands now baby! Whooo Hoooo three selectable frequencies!! Can you feel it? lol Nokta / Makro listens to their customers and I believe this is going to be a "grand slam out of the ball park" Ok maybe I am extremely tired and need some rest. If there are errors in my writing it is most likely due to the lack of sleep lol Good night all...

Nokta Detectors Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> argyle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > (1)We send them a test unit and that is it!
> >
> > Really Dilek? Hold on, aren't they promised
> free
> > future units and coils? As well as free full
> > production units and coils after the initial
> > prototypes are tested?
> >
> > (2)They are not in any way promised anything.
> >
> > Really Dilek? But in your post you say Yes,
> they
> > are promised free units. See, look, number 4
> > below.
> >
> > (3)None of them so far has demanded any free
> goods
> > from our company either.
> >
> > Why would they demand anything free, you've
> > already given them thousands of dollars worth
> of
> > detectors and coils, with the Promise of more
> to
> > follow.
> >
> > (4)Are they promised of free units? Yes.
> >
> > There you go Dilek, while it may be a complete
> > turn around on what you said before about them
> > being "not in any way promised anything", at
> least
> > you finally stated some truth.
> >
> > So Keith, Tom, Monte, Steve and anyone else
> > involved in the Cash for Comment partnership
> with
> > Nokta/Makro, how about you all step up to the
> > plate and divulge the amount of retail money
> you
> > have earnt since the first unit and coils were
> > given to you free.
> >
> > At least that way, anyone reading a post or
> > watching a clip made by you, would at least
> know
> > that there is an quite an invested interest on
> > your part in talking a unit up.
> >
> > Cash for Comments....not the most honest way to
> do
> > business. But who really cares nowadays eh...
> >
> > As for the units themselves. They are good
> > machines, in a couple of cases great machines,
> and
> > certainty don't deserve the lying and misguided
> > field tests that have been going on.
> >
> > Shame on you Nokta/Makro, and shame on you
> Dilek.
> > By the way, how are the Long Range Locators
> > selling these days Dilek? Still moving along
> > nicely, or are those not in your department.
>
>
> Mr Argyle, I believe everyone else on this forum
> is clear about what my post meant.
> I do not know who you are, what your goal or what
> the underlying reason for your attack is but I
> represent a manufacturer here. It would not be
> professional for me to get into further arguments
> so I will end this by saying that the performance
> of our devices or the growth of our company should
> not intimidate you. Competition is a good thing
> because it forces all manufacturers including us
> to offer better products for the community and
> benefits the end-users, to whom all manufacturers
> including us owe where we are today. You have
> every right not to like our company and/or
> products. If that is the case, just do not click
> on the Nokta/Makro threads or yet a better
> suggestion if you do not mind revealing who you
> are - contact me at dilek@noktadetectors.com or
> tel +90 541 860 4596 and let all your frustration
> out with the reasons and if there is anything that
> I can do to change your feelings, I will try my
> best to do it. If not, you could continue not
> liking us. This way we do not waste other valued
> members’ time at least.

Once again Nokta show that they are professional in every respect - obviously someones not happy about the lack of progress coming out of their favored stable - but what a idiot they have made themselves out to be - Gosh it must hurt so bad to some, that these Turkish machines are doing so well - lol

You find it Amusing Tom?

I'll tell you what I find amusing.

A detector manufacturer comes onto your forum many months ago and starts making, let's face it, passive marketing posts.
You reply on one of those threads with words similar to, and in your way of Tech/Typing, something along the lines of ((( not too sure about this,,, but I will let it go for the time being,,, and keep a watchful eye on the progress of said thread/approach/continuation )))

Then you yourself ended up with free detectors, coils, and the promise of more to come.

So how about you yourself stepping up first Tom, as the others like old Monte, Keith, and the rest seem not in the least interested in stating their past monetary gain or declaring the free units and coils and future products promised, or if there was any cash involved regarding future comments.

Not that I think you would need money of coarse, as you don't seem to be the type that is currently living on the bread line.
Maybe it's just the fame you desire. The constant need to feel as an alpha expert maybe.

So how about it Tom, you up for a bit of honesty?


Oh, and for the cliff jumping lemmings that come up with things like ' he's a dealer pushing an agenda, I'm in some way jealous because I buy my own Nokta/Makro units, or I have a favorite Brand that isn't doing so good at the moment, or even the 'pathetic individual' namecalling..... Straight off a ducks back boys. I couldn't give two stuffs.


Dilek.
I am not 'attacking' you or your products, you should have been able to tell that from my quote "They are good machines, a couple of them great machines".
However, I'm most certainly having a go at the way in which you choose to load up in the great 'cash for comments' scandal of 2016.

Wow things escalated quickly in here.

Have those Nokta Relic detectors shipped to the US yet? Mine is out there some where.

I like this guy, says what he sees, not everyone agrees with him but it's his interpretation of the situation and he should be allowed that, as long as it's kept factual'ish' and not in your face insulting etc
At some stage many of us get sucked in to hype no matter the sport, hobby etc and it can take a fresh set of eyes to bring a bit of that hype into touch and get us out of the zone, kinda like my kids when there sucked into their xbox for hours on end and i have to snap them back into reality lol

I seem to recall hearing some advice about mud wresting with a pig.

Argyle.....Why do you think it's your right or business to know what or how much they receive for trading their time, effort and years of knowledge???

All of a sudden in your eyes their comments on the subject are invalid because they receive something in return for their long hours of expertness. Or their findings are skewed because of (what you're saying is) a bribe of some sort.

You have 11 posts in two years....not really a gauge on how much time you spend here. From your comments, not many.

Many of us have gained a trust from some of these men on here.....and that comes from dealing with them, meeting them, communicating with them, sharing many stories with them.......these are our friends for reasons that maybe hasn't sunk in with you... yet.

You are insulting friends here and I am one who will resort to name calling....especially when it fits, ya friggen chump.

Daniel Tn Wrote:
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> Wow things escalated quickly in here.
>
> Have those Nokta Relic detectors shipped to the US
> yet? Mine is out there some where.


The first shipment is on the way.