Request for set up recommendations

Here's the story. A young man contacted the metal detecting club I'm in to request help finding his lost wedding ring. His email said he had lost it doing yard work. I volunteered to help, and on the way there was thinking I'd be looking for a surface find and I should be on my way back home quickly after returning his ring to him. I was even more encouraged when I got there and his yard was tiny. Well, as it turns out the yard work he was doing was digging a 8" deep trench winding through his back yard and along the side of his house, laying cable in it and filling it back in. He believes the ring is probably somewhere in the trench. I searched the yard, and went back and forth along the trench several times. I didn't get any separate signals from the cable. I dug a few places where I got numbers that came in lower or less consistent than what most of the cable was giving. I pulled out a few piece of garbage that way, but not the ring.

So my question is this....is it practical to think that I can set my Deus or F75LTD machines so that they discriminate out (or changing the tone for) the cable, which rang in the upper 90s on my Deus, and have the possibility of finding what is apparently a good-sized white gold wedding band in the same trench? Does anyone have suggestions for an approach?

I really appreciate any recommendations or suggestions. Thanks!

I will give my recommendations,,,first assume the ring is shallower than the buried cable,,,,so 18khz, reactivity 3, silencer -1, tx power 1, sens at 70. Sweep the trench going across the line and see what you alert on.

Then sweep long ways down the line.

Then repeat by raising sens to 80 and repeat. What you want to do is keep the Deus from detecting the line if possible. A reactivity level setting 4 may help too,,listen for super short tone though.
After the above,,raise reactivity to level 2, silencer -1 and repeat.

Now next you could try to run 18khz, reactivity 1, silencer -1, sens 94,, tx power 2, notch from the top side,,say 99-76... Running the lower reactivity may make the Deus actually ID the ring by more accurate TID reading if it is deeper. Again sweep across the trench and again long ways.

A reactivity setting 0, might help too,,with real slow sweep.

You can also try to locate with F75,, je mode... F75 doesn't tend to drive TID as high as fast as Deus usually on deeper targets-- might try with lower sens and progress upwards disc level 4 and 5, and 6.

Something else to try.. Fire up your F75,, go AM,, practice going back and forth across the line,,you should hear a pattern of such for wideness of the cable,,you may see a deviation if the ring is laying over to the side of the cable a few inches-- a wider signal of sorts.

Don't know how wide the trench was the gent dug.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/02/2016 04:13AM by tnsharpshooter.

Hi,,,,You got one option, if he really wants the ring back, you will have to pull the cable back out....It would be very hard to hear the ring if the cable is coming in around the 90's....The unknown factor of what the ring ID's at makes it even more difficult....What would the ring and cable ID at when they are combined??( unknown)?? Have him pull up a little cable at a time while you check that section....Good luck....JJ

That certainly sounds like an option. Digging the trench would have been the most work, so maybe pulling the cable out of loose dirt wouldn't sound so awful. Thanks!

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> I will give my recommendations,,,first assume the
> ring is shallower than the buried cable,,,,so
> 18khz, reactivity 3, silencer -1, tx power 1, sens
> at 70. Sweep the trench going across the line and
> see what you alert on.
>
> Then sweep long ways down the line.
>
> Then repeat by raising sens to 80 and repeat.
> What you want to do is keep the Deus from
> detecting the line if possible. A reactivity
> level setting 4 may help too,,listen for super
> short tone though.
> After the above,,raise reactivity to level 2,
> silencer -1 and repeat.
>
> Now next you could try to run 18khz, reactivity 1,
> silencer -1, sens 94,, tx power 2, notch from the
> top side,,say 99-76... Running the lower
> reactivity may make the Deus actually ID the ring
> by more accurate TID reading if it is deeper.
> Again sweep across the trench and again long
> ways.
>
> A reactivity setting 0, might help too,,with real
> slow sweep.
>
> Something else to try.. Fire up your F75,, go AM,,
> practice going back and forth across the line,,you
> should hear a pattern of such for wideness of the
> cable,,you may see a deviation if the ring is
> laying over to the side of the cable a few
> inches-- a wider signal of sorts.
>
> Don't know how wide the trench was the gent dug.

Thanks TNSS. The trench is about 5 or 6" wide, I guess. Thanks for all of the suggestions. I'll give that a try and see how I do. I'll also raise the option of just pulling the cable out and seeing if he's open to it if I can't find it after the additional searches. I really appreciate the input!

I'd suggest imagining that you did the work. You were wearing the ring. Did you wear gloves when you were digging the trench? If so, where did you pull the gloves off? Is the ring in the glove? If you took the gloves off, when did you put the gloves back on? When did you take them off next? Follow the gloves before you follow the trench.

Have the ring described so you know what to look for. Most mens 14KT ring are going to read pulltab range. White gold is going to read below nickel.

If the ring is in the trench it could be laying in any presentation....from vertical to flat and anywhere in between. A vertical ring at 8" is going to be hard to locate. A ring next to the cable is going to be hard to locate. The buried cable itself could mask it.

Good luck.
HH
Mike

this may sound odd,but on 2 occasions i've found lost rings by asking 2 questions--- 1 were u wearing gloves ? 2 where are the gloves? (please check them ).--- In both cases their hands became sweaty from the work & the rings stayed in the gloves when they removed them.

Mike Hillis Wrote:
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> I'd suggest imagining that you did the work. You
> were wearing the ring. Did you wear gloves when
> you were digging the trench? If so, where did you
> pull the gloves off? Is the ring in the glove?
> If you took the gloves off, when did you put the
> gloves back on? When did you take them off next?
> Follow the gloves before you follow the trench.
>
>
> Have the ring described so you know what to look
> for. Most mens 14KT ring are going to read
> pulltab range. White gold is going to read below
> nickel.
>
> If the ring is in the trench it could be laying in
> any presentation....from vertical to flat and
> anywhere in between. A vertical ring at 8" is
> going to be hard to locate. A ring next to the
> cable is going to be hard to locate. The buried
> cable itself could mask it.
>
> Good luck.
> HH
> Mike

Good suggestions. Thank you!

dale68 Wrote:
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> this may sound odd,but on 2 occasions i've found
> lost rings by asking 2 questions--- 1 were u
> wearing gloves ? 2 where are the gloves? (please
> check them ).--- In both cases their hands became
> sweaty from the work & the rings stayed in the
> gloves when they removed them.


I'll check with him on gloves. Thanks!

I would scan around the whole yard. I use a cleansweep coil on my Silver microMax for this work. They are almost always somewhere totally different than where they suspect they lost them. The last one I found the guy was playing volleyball in his swimming pool. After searching a 45 degree quadrant and over into neighbors yard in the direction he knew it flew I found it at almost 90 degrees from where he said it flew!

DEUS reads everything upper 90s at depth lol..

How wide is the trench??

If its a narrow trench like a ditch witch its going to be hard for proper I.D. Yet it can also be a useful tool...

Use the F75 in static all metal mode for ...it will surprise you on a trace setup.its built for that..walk down it(line) and when the signal goes fat investigate..also use the 5 DD 99 sens for hot narrow scan...

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2016 03:40AM by Keith Southern.

Fletch88 Wrote:
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> I would scan around the whole yard. I use a
> cleansweep coil on my Silver microMax for this
> work. They are almost always somewhere totally
> different than where they suspect they lost them.
> The last one I found the guy was playing
> volleyball in his swimming pool. After searching a
> 45 degree quadrant and over into neighbors yard in
> the direction he knew it flew I found it at almost
> 90 degrees from where he said it flew!

Yeah, I did search all over, but will do so again. Thank you.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> DEUS reads everything upper 90s at depth lol..
>
> How wide is the trench??
>
> If its a narrow trench like a ditch witch its
> going to be hard for proper I.D. Yet it can also
> be a useful tool...
>
> Use the F75 in static all metal mode for ...it
> will surprise you on a trace setup.its built for
> that..walk down it and when the signal goes fat
> investigate..also use the 5 DD 99 sens for hot
> narrow scan. scan...
>
> Keith

Thanks. I'll give it a try.

I had the same kind of search. After searching the whole yard and trench I asked him to pull up the cable and guess what?
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Kenny
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khouse Wrote:
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> I had the same kind of search. After searching
> the whole yard and trench I asked him to pull up
> the cable and guess what?
> [www.youtube.com]


Nice video! I hope I end with the same result on trip #2.

Cool that you could successfully find his ring ... good for you ... much karma you way.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2016 02:03PM by willee.