Seems Deus is capable of detecting say coins,,and the op wouldn't even know,,maybe

I realize the title to this post sounds a bit corny.

But it is what it is.

I will share what I have seen.

The pic below will give you an idea.

And let me say,,,this info may or may not be beneficial,,,but I will be watching for in a few of my sites for gee whiz.

Alright,, by looking at the pics,, one will see the coins laying up tight against the nails.

Bigger nail is 3.5" and smaller 2.25" long.

A person could infact blindfold me and I can tell while sweeping either nail longways and I will know if a coin exists. Now I tried this with nickel, pennies, dimes, and quarters. Don't have a gold coin to try.

The key is no tone in full tones--- strange sounding right??

On the smaller nail,,using Deus fast program, iron vol turned off,, full tones, disc at 3,,,,,with coin up next to the nail,, using 9" coil,, sweep longways no tone,,,remove the coin and you get iron tone.

On the bigger nail,, disc at 4.5,, sweep it with coin in position-- no tone,,remove the coin,, you get iron tones.

Could this be helpful???
I don't know exactly,,but if in an iron laden site and the Deus goes silent,,,one might want to pivot and check the spot,, or even consider sweeping with an adjacent program set up at 0 disc to tell you at least something ferrous is there possibly masking a nonferrous target.

I need to check again,,but I swore the Deus was dead silent,,when sweeping the coin and nails--- not even any chirping,,most folks are familiar with Deus chatter.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2016 09:58PM by tnsharpshooter.

perhaps I am not understanding, but to use this phenomenon, wouldn't you first have to size up every iron signal and then pivot (try all angles) on them and see if they go silent?
Lengthy, time consuming process?

Wayne

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I posted this,, I don't know if any other detector behaves this way with this type scenario.

It is strange,, the coin drives the TID it seems below disc setting-- hence no tone ( I'm basing this on meter reading),,, but remove the nonferrous coin,, the nail by itself will come in low tone as it should.

Now I didn't play with all disc settings to see the effects.

Maybe someone with more technical expertise will shed some light on this.

that down the barrel test your doing...

A lot of machine will drop I.D. or null the target...its not DEUS specific..

Ive seen it for years and years..

But there's really intelligent way to hunt with it looking for a dead spot in a sea of iron...there's already hundreds and hundreds of dead spots for the reason of say Ferrous oxide and even just void spots..

you may luck into it on an isolated target of same alignment..

The main thing to remember though on Down the barrel is its surface test to see just how exact yuo can get your disc ..

because in real world there's a small chance a target will lay like that..

The testing is to just see which one of the units available will sniff a little further...

the DEUS would hear that target down the barrel with a high report if the coil was smaller...

The best bet for passing the test is to use a set up that passes it instead of nulls it ..

the MakNoks with small coil and even 5x10s can do it..the Deeptechs the Tejon the F19 with small coil etc...

Those are the ones that can get a few more targets out of iron because they can handle down the barrel.

there's lots of weird things that happen with target orientation producing unexpected target reports...you've just seen one there's dozens and dozens more keep on looking !!! You'll answer your question of WHY if you keep on studying..

Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> that down the barrel test your doing...
>
> A lot of machine will drop I.D. or null the
> target...its not DEUS specific..
>
> Ive seen it for years and years..
>
> But there's really intelligent way to hunt with
> it looking for a dead spot in a sea of
> iron...there's already hundreds and hundreds of
> dead spots for the reason of say Ferrous oxide and
> even just void spots..
>
> you may luck into it on an isolated target of
> same alignment..
>
> The main thing to remember though on Down the
> barrel is its surface test to see just how exact
> yuo can get your disc ..
>
> because in real world there's a small chance a
> target will lay like that..
>
> The testing is to just see which one of the units
> available will sniff a little further...
>
> the DEUS would hear that target down the barrel
> with a high report if the coil was smaller...
>
> The best bet for passing the test is to use a set
> up that passes it instead of nulls it ..
>
> the MakNoks with small coil and even 5x10s can do
> it..the Deeptechs the Tejon the F19 with small
> coil etc...
>
> Those are the ones that can get a few more targets
> out of iron because they can handle down the
> barrel.
>
> there's lots of weird things that happen with
> target orientation producing unexpected target
> reports...you've just seen one there's dozens and
> dozens more keep on looking !!! You'll answer your
> question of WHY if you keep on studying..
>
> Keith

Keith,

I wonder how those machines would do with the nail a couple of inches above the coin in the same orientation. I wish I had the machines to test that on. Perhaps somebody with a bigger arsenal of machines could test that.

HH
John

Well,
This wasn't the test I started off with,,a similar test though,,, where I could see a small percentage in increase separation wise of using full tones 0 disc.

Something else here worth mentioning,,,on my original setups I talked about above,,,the tone provided is different comparing nails with and without the coins.
The real low grunts while hunting may need to be investigated based on what I'm seeing.

I have a site,,when the hay is cut in a few weeks--- a good site to play in to see what I can maybe derive more info.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
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> Well,
> This wasn't the test I started off with,,a similar
> test though,,, where I could see a small
> percentage in increase separation wise of using
> full tones 0 disc.
>
> Something else here worth mentioning,,,on my
> original setups I talked about above,,,the tone
> provided is different comparing nails with and
> without the coins.
> The real low grunts while hunting may need to be
> investigated based on what I'm seeing.
>
> I have a site,,when the hay is cut in a few
> weeks--- a good site to play in to see what I can
> maybe derive more info.

It will be interesting to see what you find out with those tests.

The Deus seems like a strange machine. It sometimes seems to do the opposite of what you would think (going silent when a coin and nail are together but sounding off on the nail by itself as you stated).

Looking forward to reading what you find out from your tests.
HH
John

Remember the Ground balance setting on the DEUS is huge for Low end iron range response..

3D scenarios are even more PUSHING John..

And all the testing you can do is worthwhile but also can become compulsive to a degree..

Down the barrel is a somewhat simple way to divide the choices...without over complicating things ..I like nail deck test too..but after awhile it gets into how should I say smoke and mirrors..

But eventually you just have to go out in the field or end up becoming a tester instead of a hunter..the simple test of down the barrel if you can pass it with an intelligent to YOU report using 16 penny nail and Indian head of non bronze origin should net you a fine site unlocker in dense iron..

Keith





Keith

“I don't care that they stole my idea . . I care that they don't have any of their own”
-Nikola Tesla

DirtyJohn Wrote:
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> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well,
> > This wasn't the test I started off with,,a
> similar
> > test though,,, where I could see a small
> > percentage in increase separation wise of using
> > full tones 0 disc.
> >
> > Something else here worth mentioning,,,on my
> > original setups I talked about above,,,the tone
> > provided is different comparing nails with and
> > without the coins.
> > The real low grunts while hunting may need to
> be
> > investigated based on what I'm seeing.
> >
> > I have a site,,when the hay is cut in a few
> > weeks--- a good site to play in to see what I
> can
> > maybe derive more info.
>
> It will be interesting to see what you find out
> with those tests.
>
> The Deus seems like a strange machine. It
> sometimes seems to do the opposite of what you
> would think (going silent when a coin and nail are
> together but sounding off on the nail by itself as
> you stated).
>
> Looking forward to reading what you find out from
> your tests.
> HH
> John


John, I will post anything news worthy I discover.
With the Xp Deus updates,,I'm not sure all the idiosyncrasies have been discovered.

Keith Southern Wrote:
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> Remember the Ground balance setting on the DEUS is
> huge for Low end iron range response..
>
> 3D scenarios are even more PUSHING John..
>
> And all the testing you can do is worthwhile but
> also can become compulsive to a degree..
>
> Down the barrel is a somewhat simple way to divide
> the choices...without over complicating things ..I
> like nail deck test too..but after awhile it gets
> into how should I say smoke and mirrors..
>
> But eventually you just have to go out in the
> field or end up becoming a tester instead of a
> hunter..the simple test of down the barrel if you
> can pass it with an intelligent to YOU report
> using 16 penny nail and Indian head of non bronze
> origin should net you a fine site unlocker in
> dense iron..
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith

I guess I was just curious to know how these machines would perform in real world scenarios.

You rarely see a coin and nail on top of each other and touching in the ground. Usually they are at different levels but in the same hole.

It would be interesting to see a battle royal of the iron un-maskers and who would come out on top. If I had deep enough pockets I would test this myself.

HH
John

John = And that's the genuine/ultimate/real-world "end-quest".

A 2-Dimensional (same plane) test..... is a very minute' start....that "just begins" to open up the tuitional learning-curve.

A 3-Dimensional test........ is reality! (Real-time/Real-world).