Blisstool Rumors- Maybe Not Good News

I heard Blisstool have removed low end models from there lines due slow sales and push the new V-6 cut production . In USA the sales have dropped due lack improvements information and some very crazy Y-tube by there sales staff . I have few friends that have Blisstool and use then them, say good machines but there depth over-rated and only way to get depth if set all controls just right. It not super unstable and affect by EMI more any other machines. I steve



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2016 10:50PM by relicstevemd.

I have a V6 Blisstool.

To get depth,,,um.

Just yesterday,,I tested my unit over my 10" deep nickel using the 7x9" coil.

Ground conditions very damp.

Even with disc depth and disc level setting at 10,,, with gain at zero,,fine ground blance at 4 or higher ,,,,,the nickel rang hard.

Ground balance coarse setting at 6,,, which is btw a little Positive for the soil at this spot.
Threshold a shade over level 5.
A dynamite signal on the nickel.

Tried my MX Sport over the target,,,signal was very weak,,even tried all sens settings. Did get a diggable tone though,,TID crappy other than the fact I could tell more or less nonferrous target in the ground.

Ground here not overly minerlaizied but does affect depth of all Vlf detectors I've tried.

Now running the settings above,,,if hunting I could miss a shallower target,,,ibut for clean up detecting this works.

Recovery delay no slouch either with gain at 0.

I plan on taking this detector to visit someone who lives where the soil is generally higher mineralized to see how it does,,,how deep and how stable.

I would call it a niche machine,,,but it will hunt.

It does at times react with bigger iron similarly to Xp Deus,,meaning on the first pass,,,it might sound pretty good,,,but repeated sweeps it seems to reject the iron.

Really from a price standpoint,,,I could understand why for instance the V3 model would not be bought vs say a V6.

I will be keeping mine,,,and I do use it occassioanly depending on the site,, and other factors.

And for comparison purposes,,the history of this nickel at 10",,, F75dst best achievable signal is a trailing signal off the nickel-- intermittent on sweeps.
Makro Racer 1 and 2 ,,,nothing I would dig.
So Deus,, very diggable signal,,using both 9" and 11" coils,,11" coil I can run less sens,,and or a higher reactvity and can a diggable tone.
CTX nothingI would dig except maybe in a relic fileld under a dig all mentality.
XS explorer about the same as CTX,,maybe a smidge worse,

Remember 7x9"coil is not overly big or anything.

I would love to run this detector down in Diggwr27's area just on see how deep with logical settings I could get.

Btw with disc level 10, disc depth 10, gain at 1, threshold at just over 5, non turbo, ground balance Coarse at 6, 7x9" coil disc switch in all poaitions 1,2 and 3,,,,this 10" nickel sounds like it is laying on top of the ground when swept tonal wise.



Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2016 11:43PM by tnsharpshooter.

Thank Info. I few close friends are long time relic hunting in V.A. have older one V-3. V-5 . The biggest downside no true All- Metal Mode which all long time Relic hunters use to hear all targets in hard hit sites .. The entire faceplate needs change or control need be smaller since hit in thick woods/ brush. Many friends hunt with Nautilus DMC2B which still today only true Relic Hunting machines can easly go deeper coin size object over 14 plus range . Dennis Cox use older DMC1 and still out dig any machine. Steve

relicstevemd Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thank Info. I few close friends are long time
> relic hunting in V.A. have older one V-3. V-5 .
> The biggest downside no true All- Metal Mode which
> all long time Relic hunters use to hear all
> targets in hard hit sites .. The entire faceplate
> needs change or control need be smaller since hit
> in thick woods/ brush. Many friends hunt with
> Nautilus DMC2B which still today only true Relic
> Hunting machines can easly go deeper coin size
> object over 14 plus range . Dennis Cox use older
> DMC1 and still out dig any machine. Steve


Quite a few relic hunters I the Va area have went from naughty a to Blisstools.

Blisstool seems performs better in higher mineral from talking to some folks.

The support interruption on the naughtys could also be another contributing factor.

I personally have never ran a nautilus,,,read quite a bit about them.

Too bad you don't have a proper CZ-3D to see if it would hit that 10" Nickel as that would be interesting. Also a Nauty IIB or IIBa.

Harold,ILL. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Too bad you don't have a proper CZ-3D to see if it
> would hit that 10" Nickel as that would be
> interesting. Also a Nauty IIB or IIBa.


Based on this video,,,I have a good hunch what would happen with CZ unit.

I think my soil is awfully close mineral wise to Keith's,,and if I go up in elevation,,much more mineralized.

Do naughtys like mineral???

[m.youtube.com]

No they are good in mild to moderate ground like I have. Not so much in that Ole' Hot ground like Keith Southern and Daniel TN. have.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have a V6 Blisstool.
>
> To get depth,,,um.
>
> Just yesterday,,I tested my unit over my 10" deep
> nickel using the 7x9" coil.
>
> Ground conditions very damp.
>
> Even with disc depth and disc level setting at
> 10,,, with gain at zero,,fine ground blance at 4
> or higher ,,,,,the nickel rang hard.
>
> Ground balance coarse setting at 6,,, which is btw
> a little Positive for the soil at this spot.
> Threshold a shade over level 5.
> A dynamite signal on the nickel.
>
> Tried my MX Sport over the target,,,signal was
> very weak,,even tried all sens settings. Did get
> a diggable tone though,,TID crappy other than the
> fact I could tell more or less nonferrous target
> in the ground.
>
> Ground here not overly minerlaizied but does
> affect depth of all Vlf detectors I've tried.
>
> Now running the settings above,,,if hunting I
> could miss a shallower target,,,ibut for clean up
> detecting this works.
>
> Recovery delay no slouch either with gain at 0.
>
> I plan on taking this detector to visit someone
> who lives where the soil is generally higher
> mineralized to see how it does,,,how deep and how
> stable.
>
> I would call it a niche machine,,,but it will
> hunt.
>
> It does at times react with bigger iron similarly
> to Xp Deus,,meaning on the first pass,,,it might
> sound pretty good,,,but repeated sweeps it seems
> to reject the iron.
>
> Really from a price standpoint,,,I could
> understand why for instance the V3 model would not
> be bought vs say a V6.
>
> I will be keeping mine,,,and I do use it
> occassioanly depending on the site,, and other
> factors.
>
> And for comparison purposes,,the history of this
> nickel at 10",,, F75dst best achievable signal is
> a trailing signal off the nickel-- intermittent on
> sweeps.
> Makro Racer 1 and 2 ,,,nothing I would dig.
> So Deus,, very diggable signal,,using both 9" and
> 11" coils,,11" coil I can run less sens,,and or a
> higher reactvity and can a diggable tone.
> CTX nothingI would dig except maybe in a relic
> fileld under a dig all mentality.
> XS explorer about the same as CTX,,maybe a smidge
> worse,
>
> Remember 7x9"coil is not overly big or anything.
>
> I would love to run this detector down in
> Diggwr27's area just on see how deep with logical
> settings I could get.
>
> Btw with disc level 10, disc depth 10, gain at 1,
> threshold at just over 5, non turbo, ground
> balance Coarse at 6, 7x9" coil disc switch in all
> poaitions 1,2 and 3,,,,this 10" nickel sounds like
> it is laying on top of the ground when swept tonal
> wise.

The first time I saw one of them I thought, Yeah Right ? but then I saw what others were doing with them, and I wonder why they have not caught on more because we all crave that depth and yet I have never seen one or know anyone with one, And yet I have not seen any of the more well known folks using them, What is holding them back because they clearly have some serious power because I watch a Video the other day and very few machines can match that depth Is it because people are afraid of the depth, lol But what ever it is these machines have some good things going on inside and I wonder why other companies have not used the same Tech, I don't understand the controls on it either you have a Disc level and a Disc Depth and you run the Gain at 1 or Zero, What is the reason for not turning the Gain up to 8, 9, or 10 etc

Thanks, John.

auminesweeper Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> tnsharpshooter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have a V6 Blisstool.
> >
> > To get depth,,,um.
> >
> > Just yesterday,,I tested my unit over my 10"
> deep
> > nickel using the 7x9" coil.
> >
> > Ground conditions very damp.
> >
> > Even with disc depth and disc level setting at
> > 10,,, with gain at zero,,fine ground blance at
> 4
> > or higher ,,,,,the nickel rang hard.
> >
> > Ground balance coarse setting at 6,,, which is
> btw
> > a little Positive for the soil at this spot.
> > Threshold a shade over level 5.
> > A dynamite signal on the nickel.
> >
> > Tried my MX Sport over the target,,,signal was
> > very weak,,even tried all sens settings. Did
> get
> > a diggable tone though,,TID crappy other than
> the
> > fact I could tell more or less nonferrous
> target
> > in the ground.
> >
> > Ground here not overly minerlaizied but does
> > affect depth of all Vlf detectors I've tried.
> >
> > Now running the settings above,,,if hunting I
> > could miss a shallower target,,,ibut for clean
> up
> > detecting this works.
> >
> > Recovery delay no slouch either with gain at 0.
> >
> > I plan on taking this detector to visit someone
> > who lives where the soil is generally higher
> > mineralized to see how it does,,,how deep and
> how
> > stable.
> >
> > I would call it a niche machine,,,but it will
> > hunt.
> >
> > It does at times react with bigger iron
> similarly
> > to Xp Deus,,meaning on the first pass,,,it
> might
> > sound pretty good,,,but repeated sweeps it
> seems
> > to reject the iron.
> >
> > Really from a price standpoint,,,I could
> > understand why for instance the V3 model would
> not
> > be bought vs say a V6.
> >
> > I will be keeping mine,,,and I do use it
> > occassioanly depending on the site,, and other
> > factors.
> >
> > And for comparison purposes,,the history of
> this
> > nickel at 10",,, F75dst best achievable signal
> is
> > a trailing signal off the nickel-- intermittent
> on
> > sweeps.
> > Makro Racer 1 and 2 ,,,nothing I would dig.
> > So Deus,, very diggable signal,,using both 9"
> and
> > 11" coils,,11" coil I can run less sens,,and or
> a
> > higher reactvity and can a diggable tone.
> > CTX nothingI would dig except maybe in a relic
> > fileld under a dig all mentality.
> > XS explorer about the same as CTX,,maybe a
> smidge
> > worse,
> >
> > Remember 7x9"coil is not overly big or
> anything.
> >
> > I would love to run this detector down in
> > Diggwr27's area just on see how deep with
> logical
> > settings I could get.
> >
> > Btw with disc level 10, disc depth 10, gain at
> 1,
> > threshold at just over 5, non turbo, ground
> > balance Coarse at 6, 7x9" coil disc switch in
> all
> > poaitions 1,2 and 3,,,,this 10" nickel sounds
> like
> > it is laying on top of the ground when swept
> tonal
> > wise.
>
> The first time I saw one of them I thought, Yeah
> Right ? but then I saw what others were doing with
> them, and I wonder why they have not caught on
> more because we all crave that depth and yet I
> have never seen one or know anyone with one, And
> yet I have not seen any of the more well known
> folks using them, What is holding them back
> because they clearly have some serious power
> because I watch a Video the other day and very few
> machines can match that depth Is it because
> people are afraid of the depth, lol But what ever
> it is these machines have some good things going
> on inside and I wonder why other companies have
> not used the same Tech, I don't understand the
> controls on it either you have a Disc level and a
> Disc Depth and you run the Gain at 1 or Zero, What
> is the reason for not turning the Gain up to 8, 9,
> or 10 etc
>
> Thanks, John.


First of all,,,I just realized a couple days ago,,,prices on new units have been lowered.

As far as the gain setting,,,,realize I have not traveled to a lot of different places with mine to actually hunt the varying levels of mineralization,,,but I think ground mineralization is a driver.

Go to say Florida where the ground is real mild,,,a user more likely to Jack the gain,,,and be productive.

Higher mineral ground,,less so.

I can't speak for the entire detecting public,,,but I think a bad pic was painted with earlier models of the Blisstools.

Now just from the use of the detctor,,,,a person can use some strategy while using one to augment their other detectors.

For example,,let's say you hunt a site with an At Pro using stock coil,,,and get most targets down to approx 7.5-8" deep.

A Blisstool V6 user can actually go in and run disc level and disc depth at max levels,,,and perhaps fine some targets out of the At Pro range depth wise.

I won't be getting rid of mine,,,do I use it all the time?? No
But I can make that same claim with all my other detectors.

For its operating freq,,8khz,,,it seems to be hotter on lower conductors than one would think just based op freq.

I must admit they are pretty impressive to say the leased The amazing depth is one thing but the biggest surprize is the amount of knobs and switches, but when you think about that is no more than what you would have in a machine with menu's, But at first glance they are a shocker,

I might have to check em out a bit more, Thanks for getting back to me so soon,

John